Crested Butte, CO: 03/04/08

jamesdeluxe

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My first time at CB; I was impressed. The map doesn't do the area justice.

After three hours of bluebird skies, clouds blew in at noon with high winds, so they shut down the Silver Queen chair. That's why the only double-blacks I tried were the overrated ones off the North Face t-bar. I had no problem with them, meaning they only deserved a single black rating. But the others, and there are lots, are way beyond my skillz.

As has been mentioned elsewhere, the Muellers have definitely Okemo-ized the non-extreme terrain. The grooming is extensive and wall-to-wall, part of their campaign to convince non-hardcores that they should visit CB too. There's plenty of everything, including bumps.

Interesting story: this morning, while waiting for the free shuttle at my hotel, some older guy walks up to me and starts talking. We sit near each other on the bus, and he's giving me a blow-by-blow description of everything outside the window.: the fish hatchery, the local ski hill, the villages, the Gunnison River. I think he was on a first-name basis with some of the elk. I figured he was some longtime local.

When we got to the base area, he asks if I'd like a tour. We start skiing and he tells me about every terrain feature, every lift, every building. I'm like "who is this guy?" When he goes on about how he decided on trail names, I realized that he must be a BMOC here. Turns out he's Dick Eflin, one of the original owners of Crested Butte. He and his business partner built the first lifts back in the early 60s, and he used to hike the ridge before the Poma was installed. Dick had a good story about how they used to groom the terrain in the old days: three bicycle wheels without inner tubes with wood slats to flatten the snow.

I was so busy listening to Dick's stories that I only pulled out the camera a couple times.

Dick:
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Me:
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Do you mean Prospect lift for the first pic? Paradise doesn't have a plowed road in the middle and it does have a big mid-mtn lodge next to the base of it...
 
That's a great story, stuff like that is what I like about these forums.

Moved to UT last spring, and enjoy the proud old timers I meet at Snowbasin. This one guy has been skiing there for 65 years, and now he gets his season pass each year for $10.00.

Another woman at the John Paul lodge had two artificial hips!! I'm pretty inspired!
 
Welcome, powerlumina77! Glad to see that jamesdeluxe's CBMR post managed to drag you out, for it's good to have another Utah local around these forums.

Back in the late 80s when I started patrolling at Jay Peak, my patrol mentor was Sonny Cote, a man in his 70s who too had two artificial hips...and could ski rings around me.

Your post, however, begs the question: where'd you move from?
 
Thanks for the welcome, all the reports and pictures have made for many great lunch breaks since we moved here.

I left Philadelphia as a beginner skiier. Learning this December was great for me, as it just clicked amdist the soft groomers........ but my wife is back to beginner status since she was very used to PA ice.

We're loving Ogden (the tree lined streets are pretty East Coast), fixing up the house, and trimming the budget for (hopefully!) Season Passes next year.

Love the posts about the resorts further south. We've stayed pretty much at Snowbasin and Powder, but we'll be making the rounds cause....ummmm.... we won't be moving back to PA!

Admin- Gathered that you moved here from New England.... I know we're supposed to report back east that this is a desert, no coffee, etc, but our great experience has made that pretty hard!
 
powerlumina77":3c3izqt5 said:
but my wife is back to beginner status since she was very used to PA ice.

Get her into a good powder clinic somewhere on a deep day. I recommend the Alf Engen Ski School at Alta, and ctmoneymgr would likely agree. They're fairly priced, too. Once she gets that magic moment of figuring out the combination of even weighting/centered balance/rebound upweighting, she'll have a permagrin for the rest of her life.

powerlumina77":3c3izqt5 said:
I know we're supposed to report back east that this is a desert, no coffee, etc, but our great experience has made that pretty hard!

No good skiing, folks, and it's a religious theocracy. You can't get a drink here in this dry state. Just keep moving along to Colorado. Nothing to see here.
 
Admin":2iicb30p said:
powerlumina77":2iicb30p said:
but my wife is back to beginner status since she was very used to PA ice.

Get her into a good powder clinic somewhere on a deep day. I recommend the Alf Engen Ski School at Alta, and ctmoneymgr would likely agree. They're fairly priced, too. Once she gets that magic moment of figuring out the combination of even weighting/centered balance/rebound upweighting, she'll have a permagrin for the rest of her life.

powerlumina77":2iicb30p said:
I know we're supposed to report back east that this is a desert, no coffee, etc, but our great experience has made that pretty hard!

No good skiing, folks, and it's a religious theocracy. You can't get a drink here in this dry state. Just keep moving along to Colorado. Nothing to see here.

Admin speaks with forked tongue! He's the first guy to show a visitor around. He and the crew know where they hide the powder around here.
 
Sorry to bring this back on-topic, but I was stunned by how much new infrastructure is being built at CB (and, of course, knowing what the Muellers have done at Okemo, I shouldn't have been surprised). They're pouring TONS of money into new base buildings, a conference center, etc. They're also building 10,000-sf slopeside mansions similar to "The Colony" at The Canyons.
:evil:

My unscientific polling of locals that day found them pretty conflicted about all the new development. Most were happy that the mountain is finally getting attention and that skier visits have increased, but concerned that's its turning into another Vail: typical chain of events in the resort world.
 
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jamesdeluxe":156diamp said:
They're pouring TONS of money into new base buildings, a conference center, etc. They're also building 10,000-sf slopeside mansions similar to "The Colony" at The Canyons.
:evil: My unscientific polling of locals that day (about 12 :wink:) found them pretty conflicted about all the new development. Most were happy that the mountain is finally getting attention and that skier visits have increased, but concerned that's its turning into another Vail.... typical chain of events in the resort world.

I wonder how many locals were around circa 2000? The good old days...

I am sure the locals were happier when the mountain was bankrupt and they could not afford to open lifts like the lower T-bar for local races the entire season.
Or when many businesses failed when skier days went from nearly 500k to mid 300k's?
Or when Crested Butte real estate defied the overall Colorado market and stagnated or declined slightly?

However, the locals stopped development of Snodgrass Mountain during this period - preventing Crested Butte North/more intermediate/upper intermediate terrain. Combined with really, really bad snow - not so fun.
 
Yeah, I know; the grass is always greener, and the people I spoke to realized that they shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth. The place looks prosperous, and this year's big snowfall certainly hasn't hurt.

Dick Eflin went on at length about Snodgrass Mountain -- too bad, as it would've filled in the blank on the one perceived terrain "shortcoming" there.
 
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I know I have not herd anything recently, but I had thought that a scaled down version of Snodgrass had been put back on the table by the Meullers (about a year or 2 ago)? I thought I had even heard that the town was almost in support of it even... Must have been temporary support and they pulled the rug again?

I always thought that the anti-growth crowd in CB got it all wrong from the start anyway. They spent so much time defending the old town like crazy, that it has only pushed the development to Mt CB and to CB South creating far more effective sprawl and local traffic than if they had allowed, but regulated, that growth to the town area itself. The growth was/is going to come in a resort situation like CB. It's how you go about it that matters most IMHO...
 
EMSC":2hec4wpd said:
I know I have not herd anything recently, but I had thought that a scaled down version of Snodgrass had been put back on the table by the Meullers (about a year or 2 ago)? I thought I had even heard that the town was almost in support of it even... Must have been temporary support and they pulled the rug again?

I always thought that the anti-growth crowd in CB got it all wrong from the start anyway. They spent so much time defending the old town like crazy, that it has only pushed the development to Mt CB and to CB South creating far more effective sprawl and local traffic than if they had allowed, but regulated, that growth to the town area itself. The growth was/is going to come in a resort situation like CB. It's how you go about it that matters most IMHO...

I too think there is going to be some CB North/Snodgrass development.

It should be OK terrain. It will face mostly south and be mostly intermediate. However, there should be some good sidecountry access.
 
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