Snowbasin, UT 3/18/11

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Day 65: Another first for me.

Yes, today was the first that I've skied Snowbasin this winter, but that isn't the "first" that I'm talking about. More on that in a bit. Today was Ski Utah's annual Local Media Day, hosted this season by Snowbasin, so I hoofed it up I-15 this morning fueled only by 5 hours of sleep and 6 cups of coffee.

After a continental breakfast in the Huntington Room, we booted up and headed out. I'd struck up a conversation over breakfast with Jim Steenburgh, Professor and Chair of Atmospheric Sciences at the University of Utah and we spent the morning skiing together. Jim's a fascinating guy. He's a hardcore skier, which brought him to his career in meteorology which has a particular focus on the science of snowfall. He's already penned a scientific paper on what makes Utah's snow "the greatest snow on earth," but is now concentrating his efforts on writing a book on the same subject aimed more at the general population, while simultaneously discussing snowfall characteristics in other mountain ranges worldwide. I learned a lot listening to Jim today, and he's an all around great guy and great skier to boot. It made for a fun morning.

Jim has a Wasatch weather blog of which I was heretofore unaware, but makes excellent reading for those wishing to stay on top of what's happening around here:
http://wasatchweatherweenies.blogspot.com/

It rained to 8,000 feet here in the Wasatch on Wednesday with snow above, followed by a lowering snow line Wednesday night down to around 6,000 feet. The storm unfortunately petered out at the end and didn't leave as much dry snow behind as we all would have liked. High on the mountain, thick creamy snow skied delightfully anywhere that wasn't already tracked, and we still found untracked out toward the Sisters and along the John Paul/No Name ropeline off the Mt. Allen Tram. Low down, though, getting out of John Paul was a masochistic exercise, with nutty crunchy snow lurking everywhere. The trick, therefore, was to search out untracked high on the hill before returning to the impeccably groomed runs to return to the base.

Squeezed into our morning we took our turns through gates that Snowbasin had set up for us on Bullwinkle, near the Middle Bowl chair. Rossignol S7s hardly make FIS-approved slalom skis, and I wish I could blame the time I lost in the middle gates on the skis. But I can't. Gates just aren't my specialty and I entered a couple of them a little late. My personal time may have been disappointing but my team -- "Team Little Cottonwood" -- at least won the team award.

After a tasty lunch of a made-to-order szechuan vegetable stir fry with shrimp and Asian noodles (Snowbasin's food takes a back seat to no other ski area cafeteria), Utah-based writer and filmmaker Bill Kehrig and Continental Cup ski jumper Lindsey Van spoke to the group about Bill's latest project, a film documenting the struggles of women ski jumpers for inclusion in the Olympic Winter Games. Kehrig is the creative force behind the films Steep and The Edge of Never.

We then headed back out. Ski Utah president Nathan Rafferty joined Jim and yours truly on a run I've never done before: Mt. Ogden Chute. This requires a ride up the Mt. Allen Tram, followed by a hike up Mt. Odgen, a short descent along the ridgeline above the Finger Chutes, then another bootpack along the ridgeline nearly to the summit of Mt. Ogden to the top of the chute. This is impressive terrain, terrain that I've never before been able to ski because the backcountry gate accessing the ridgeline has never been open when I've stepped off the Tram. It's a testament to Snowbasin's open management philosophy that access to these lines is granted at all. The Fingers in particular are absolutely hairball, and were open for skiing today, but not in these conditions for mere mortals like yours truly.

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Mt. Ogden Chute is much wider than the Fingers, and today was wider than I've ever before seen it. Our early wet snowfall has stuck incredibly well, and Snowbasin now reports a remarkable 127-inch base that should last well into the spring this season. It's filled in the gully beautifully except for on skier's right at the top where a wide swath of bedrock remains exposed. On my first few turns, however, I quickly learned that I had to be tentative for you could still feel the crunch beneath the few inches of new snow. The reason for my caution was confirmed when I reached the choke of the chute, the crux of the line, which had about 20 yards of grey ice to negotiate. The apron below the chute in Mt. Ogden Bowl, however, was positively divine.

By now, though, the clouds and desert dust had thickened and light went completely flat, so it was time to head back to Salt Lake. As one Snowbasin staffer mentioned, however, I've got to get up there more often.
 
Tony Crocker":67ycaxrh said:
Acidchrist is not the only one with the above observation. :stir:
Once again, you guys are looking at it from a visitor's perspective. Remember that the Cottonwood Canyons are literally our freakin' *backyard*. Snowbasin is a damn haul in comparison.
 
I lived there for 2 120day seasons; the sheer amount of time spent skiing there gives me a LITTLE street cred beyond your basic "visitor" status eh? ;-)
We drove up to SB fairly regularly to ski something different and avoid all the dumb crowds, LCC/BCC road closures, and the chance to tromp around Earl Holding's magnificent lodges without Deer Valley's 'tude. Yes, admittedly LCC was closer, by the time you got up and running, SB wasn't THAT much further. I s'pose you COULD make a long day shooting down to Huntsville for one of those ridiculous burgers at the Shooting Star...besides, everyone knows that Snowbird and Alta (especially) BOTH suck... :stir:
 
Acidchrist":3djgdwb6 said:
I lived there for 2 120day seasons; the sheer amount of time spent skiing there gives me a LITTLE street cred beyond your basic "visitor" status eh? ;-)
Perhaps seasonal ski bum status, but certainly not "local"! :wink: That was mostly directed at our SoCal pontificator and font of all ski knowledge. :?

Acidchrist":3djgdwb6 said:
We drove up to SB fairly regularly to ski something different and avoid all the dumb crowds, LCC/BCC road closures, and the chance to tromp around Earl Holding's magnificent lodges without Deer Valley's 'tude. Yes, admittedly LCC was closer, by the time you got up and running, SB wasn't THAT much further.
Yeah, I can see the desire for variety, esp. if skiing a 100+ day season. But for those of us living on the east bench in Sandy south of LCC, it's basically twice as long in travel time. It takes me no less than 20 minutes, usually closer to 30, to get to Admin's house. Snowbasin for me is a hard minimum of 60 minutes travel time - usually more.

Acidchrist":3djgdwb6 said:
...besides, everyone knows that Snowbird and Alta (especially) BOTH suck...
Oh, without a doubt!
 
No, you're right. It does turn into a whole day affair to go up there! I've intentionally gone up there on the biggest days (say when LCC would get 24" and SB would get 20"), just to enjoy relaxed, DEEP frenzy free skiing, but that said, most days off were spent in the cottonwoods for obvious reasons. Sometimes the simple craving for a starburger would send me north--I'm a simple creature :roll:
 
Marc":2qvme2kx said:
That was mostly directed at our SoCal pontificator and font of all ski knowledge.
I will defer to BobbyD, who puts in a fair amount of time at Snowbasin and clearly has vastly more knowledge of all Utah ski areas that our occasionally skiing Alta-based pontificator. :stir:
 
Tony Crocker":5dz0mn50 said:
Marc":5dz0mn50 said:
That was mostly directed at our SoCal pontificator and font of all ski knowledge.
I will defer to BobbyD, who puts in a fair amount of time at Snowbasin and clearly has vastly more knowledge of all Utah ski areas that our occasionally skiing Alta-based pontificator. :stir:
Actually, I'm not sure how much, Bob knows about the Park City areas. He never talks about them, except maybe for a sneering "Why would you go all the way over there?" when some visitor asks about them.
 
day 58 ..... just happened to go to snowbasin yesterday .. mr. + mrs. m.r.g. skier - bob.d and i took a day away from the madness that can occure on a day like yesterday in lcc . all kinds of new snow skied like a foot fairly dense but not heavy snow more wind effect than anything . blowing at a sustained rate of at least 45 m.p.h. all morning (strawberry was on hold upon arrival in the morning ) . all high exposed ridge lines were no good -- 20 yards off either side of any ridge it became pluuuushhhh boot top deep super hero snow !!!! moonshine bowl around 11 a.m. barely skied ( probably because an employee on the base of needles gondola was telling everyone it sucked over there ) ok so one must give praise every now and then god works in strange ways to give us powder days like yesterday . pretty much untracked all day most everywhere 0% frenzy to get the snow by anyone else . tony i can only lead the horse to water
 
Besides...everyone knows SB is way better than Alta (admin even claims to have taken the best run of his life there) it's way better. Way way WAY BETTER... :stir:
 
the wind was blowing so hard that the gondola doors were opening 3 to 4" . m.r.g. skier lost both skis on the second needles ride and bobd lost one ski at the same time i didn't lose either of mine all day . so i skied down to where they were blown off the lift and retrieved them bringing them and mine into the car with me and mrs. m.r.g. skier only to have her skis blown off the carrier at tower six of needles gonde . really the entire ski area this week is probably offering the best conditions of the season no moguls anywhere to be found in four thousand acres. sweet lift serviced backcountry skiing from here to the end with no crowds
 
Acidchrist":1s8353hp said:
Besides...everyone knows SB is way better than Alta (admin even claims to have taken the best run of his life there) it's way better. Way way WAY BETTER... :stir:
Dude. Trolling *that* hard is just unbecoming!
 
I know. I'm bored :bow: finally got someone to say something :twisted: I'll work on becoming more becoming, have a great spring season, sorry I missed you guys this year :-( Later, AC
 
Marc_C":80scd7cs said:
Once again, you guys are looking at it from a visitor's perspective. Remember that the Cottonwood Canyons are literally our freakin' *backyard*. Snowbasin is a damn haul in comparison.
I won't speak for Tony, but comparing your situation (a LCC season pass, which is certainly worthy of envy) with that of Admin -- the high priest of Utah ski journalism who can ski wherever he wants in the SLC region without having to be concerned about paying for day passes -- is borderline apples and oranges.

Admin has explained his position multiple times, so no need for him to readdress it here. LCC has the best terrain/conditions; it's the closest drive; he likes skiing with his crew. It makes perfect sense, but those of us with our noses pressed up against the internet window have the right to second-guess him. It's a helluva lot more fun than discussing why Comma Chute is named that way.
 
jamesdeluxe":26vrwh5r said:
(a LCC season pass, which is certainly worthy of envy)
I believe BobbyD is in the same situation, yet has skied Snowbasin buying day tickets as much as 20 days in a season. Of course his overall percentage of skiing is probably at least 80% in LCC (my Utah lifetime percentage is similar).

There is enough weather/storm info provided here on FTO (plus where BobbyD votes with his skis) for me to pick selected days when I would prefer to be at Snowbasin. However, the chance that a visiting skier hits one of those storms (similar snowfall amounts, likely road delay/excessive crowds in LCC) where the case for Snowbasin is compelling is not that high. In my case it's especially rare since for 50+% of my Utah skiing I'm onsite at the Iron Blosam.

MarcC":26vrwh5r said:
Snowbasin is a damn haul in comparison.
One hour vs. half an hour. And you need to add in the time you spend cooling your heels at the foot of LCC waiting for the road to open. This argument I'm not buying at all on big storm days. Throw in the lift line difference and there is little doubt that there is far more downtime in LCC than Snowbasin on a big powder day.

Most of the big powder days I'd be in LCC because it averages 50+% more snow and preserves it better. However you Utah locals get to cherry pick the exception days and only a few of you take advantage of that. There are a lot of readers/contributors on FTO (jamesdeluxe being one of them) who prefer a quieter experience at a second line area to the feeding frenzy at the marquee areas of a region. So I think this topic is relevant and educational for those people.
 
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