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Day 93: Memorial Day holiday weekend powder

If you weren't there to experience it yourself today -- and precious few were -- you never would believe how good it was. We picked up a few more inches overnight and into this morning with storm totals now at 6". It was only 39ºF in the Salt Lake Valley at 7 a.m. and it's only five or six degrees warmer than that now. The rain/snow line at A Gate was incredibly low for any time of year much less at the end of May. Driving up was beautiful with the new snow on the green leaves.

The weather wasn't so beautiful today, however, with thick fog at times, snow falling in the morning and a stiff breeze that started up around 11 a.m. It was the same Four Amigos as yesterday plus friend Steve on a snowboard. Up until around 11 a.m. I don't think there could have been 500 people on the mountain, and it was probably much less than that but it's hard to get a good estimate when people are so spread out. We got absolute first tracks down through Puckerbrush with no competition at all. Cutting out across Little Cloud Bowl and the top of Regulator Johnson there was no one else even to be seen. The snow was perfectly even, perfectly consistent and we weren't bottoming out at all.

I mean, seriously...how often do you get a "powder beard" on Memorial Day Weekend?

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What made it amazing was how consistent and even the new snowfall was. No drifts, no thin spots and no tracks anywhere.

We were all over the place today, including a run into Alta in which some miscommunication resulted in Steve riding much lower than he should have and having to posthole through knee deep snow back up to the top of the Wildcat chair. I don't get the chance to ski with people on snowboards that often and today's experience reminded me just how difficult it is to maintain a high traverse on a board, especially when the traverse isn't yet well established -- or established at all. Steve, though, was a real trooper.

Hyena Ridge was amazingly good and untracked well after 11 a.m. We got first tracks down Hourglass at mid-morning. Even Jaws had yet to be skied at noon! You just had to avoid areas affected by earlier wet slides or choked by snowcat debris, for those garden gnomes were difficult to see in the flat light and you didn't really want to hit one of those refrigerator-sized chunks at 30 mph.

A few more folks showed up around 11 a.m. but it was still empty -- as Bobby put it, at least there were people on the chairs now. But with that extra shot of people came a strong wind that closed Mineral Basin Express shortly before noon. Bobby, Steve and Jon stayed up on Little Cloud as there was now no longer a way to reach that lift from the base area. Skidog and I, however, had rubber legs and called it a day just past noon by deflowering the still untracked Jaws. What was shocking is that we could actually ski down the Upper Cirque ridgeline from Great Scott to Jaws and beyond without hitting any rocks or thin spots, something that can't ever be accomplished most winters.

Skidog reportedly shot a couple of action pics of Bobby to be uploaded here later, but it wasn't a good day for taking photos. We bumped into mbaydala too, but he was with his own crew and I don't know if they were shooting. We'll be back tomorrow after another shot of snow in the forecast for tonight into tomorrow.
 
day83.........religious........... snowbird re-opened mineral basin at 12:30ish the crowd went back in there , jon and i traveled out over the knuckle head traverse twice to the rope line and dropped there un-tracked at 12:15 perfect snow .if anyone would have traveled here from afar today it would have taken one run to forget the price !!!! there was no control work done to the mtn. anywhere today other than a few rope closures - making it truly lift serviced backcountry skiing - as wild as any good feb. day . can't wait till tom. . mammoth who
 
I have been reading Mammoth & LCC spring reports for a few years now, and no question this weekend LCC has been much better. In a normal spring you want the skier traffic to consolidate snow, get rid of suncups etc. But as we all know this is about as abnormal as spring can get. LCC is usually better than Mammoth midwinter, and that's what conditions are this weekend.
 
Today at mammoth was pretty good. Full on winter including cold temps start to finish and snow falling all day.

I'd still rather have been in lcc.
 
My handheld HD cam is in the shop so I only used the gopro today for one lap on Baldy. I'm so over the gopro footage but It's the best I can do for now. Going to try and shoot some pictures and video tomorrow with the Digital SLR but have never tried the video function before. So we will see how that turns out. What an incredible day though. Marc, I think you guys were right on with your call, 500 people max felt like every line you wanted to ski today was untracked even after noon. Pretty rare that that happens over there. Here is some footage from our last Baldy lap of the day.
[facebookvideo]http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=106709536085263[/facebookvideo]
 
BTW it's snowing up there again right now. \:D/

mbaydala, nicely done. You may have been limited but it still shows the quality.

Tony Crocker":2wppd2g5 said:
In a normal spring you want the skier traffic to consolidate snow, get rid of suncups etc.

As often seems to be the case I've got to disagree here with Mr. Crocker. In a "normal spring" I'd rather have smooth, untracked corn the same way I prefer smooth, untracked powder. If you've got skier traffic you don't have smooth, untracked anything. That's why I typically duck across the border to Alta from Snowbird long after Alta closes. I generally don't see suncups until at least mid-June.
 
admin":s4483fdb said:
I generally don't see suncups until at least mid-June.
That's because you've been in Utah during a steady stream of winter-like Aprils, and the last 2 Mays have been similar. There are years Snowbird doesn't even stay open to Memorial Day when it's too hot in May and the snowpack gets rotten.

I'm wondering how soon the call could have been made for another 11 hour drive to Utah vs. Mammoth for this weekend. I'm not too concerned; I'm grateful for the 3 days of powder on Alta closing weekend a month ago.
 
Tony Crocker":3mutkor9 said:
I'm wondering how soon the call could have been made for another 11 hour drive to Utah vs. Mammoth for this weekend.

Speaking just to our weather here, a week ago.
 
tomorrow morning we'll start the day with mid winter conditions to the bottom of the hill on 5/30/11 . doesn't really matter how much it snows tonight but the more the better cause the auto groomer was on maximum groom when jon and i left snowbird . our last run of the day was shot twelve in the upper cirque the auto groomer had been on for a couple of hours by this point in the day and it was also the deepest run . departing the ridge line and dropping in one would go to knee deep wind sifted cream all the way to some sunny spot auto groomer was kicking butt. skied an old mans run half way out road to provo dropping off there was pretty much un molested by humans at 1:15 in the afternoon .
 
Tony Crocker":3d39xm9q said:
admin":3d39xm9q said:
I generally don't see suncups until at least mid-June.
That's because you've been in Utah during a steady stream of winter-like Aprils, and the last 2 Mays have been similar. There are years Snowbird doesn't even stay open to Memorial Day when it's too hot in May and the snowpack gets rotten.

Remind me again how many times you've skied here past April? =;
 
The Bird rarely if ever disappoints and today was no exception! Awesome pow in May (first time experience-r), and man that month and a half hiatus from the slopes is killing me right now. Thanks a lot for everyone being cool with me hiking up Alta, I truly wish I did not have to, and thanks for showing me some sick lines down Alta/Bird.
 
Tony Crocker":lefi2rhn said:
There are years Snowbird doesn't even stay open to Memorial Day when it's too hot in May and the snowpack gets rotten.
How many in the past 10 years? I can remember only one.
 
5/30/11 ........ 36degrees here at the house this morning - snow line from last evening is almost down to the city level - lets hope there's a little density in this stuff - reporting 7 new in 12 hours gonna be sweeeeeet no matter what
 
Admin":3k1pmlb7 said:
Tony Crocker":3k1pmlb7 said:
In a normal spring you want the skier traffic to consolidate snow, get rid of suncups etc.

As often seems to be the case I've got to disagree here with Mr. Crocker. In a "normal spring" I'd rather have smooth, untracked corn the same way I prefer smooth, untracked powder. If you've got skier traffic you don't have smooth, untracked anything.

I just added some of Powderqueen's pictures to Friday's post that illustrate my preference beautifully: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9684&p=61368#p61368 . You can have your "skier traffic" and I'll take mine. :wink:
 
The main reason you had the smooth untracked corn was that your storm a week ago was Sierra Cement. The usual Utah fluff would not have consolidated so nicely.
 
Tony Crocker":2ax4b14y said:
The only reason you had the smooth untracked corn was that your storm a week ago was Sierra Cement. The usual Utah fluff would not have consolidated so nicely.

Believe whatever you wish. :roll: Marc_C proves your presumptions incorrect and you ignore it. I point out that you have skied here little past April (twice in two or three decades IIRC?) and therefore have little authority on the subject and you ignore it. How in the world would you know from 500 miles away what our snow is like after April? FWIW the stuff that falls at this time of year is very rarely the usual "Utah fluff."

Believe whatever you wish. Just don't try to pass it off as authority.
 
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