Powder Mountain, UT 2/17/2007 incl. photos & video

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Day 46: What a day!!

First off, our most sincere apologies to OHski. We were supposed to call him once we got there this morning and got settled in, but I thought that I'd have at least some cell service there. I was dead wrong. Tony Crocker's phone, too, couldn't grab a signal. OHski, if you had half as much fun as we did today you had a terrific day.

Tony Crocker, Bob Dangerous, The Kid and I were heading over Trapper's Loop Road near Snowbasin when The Kid leaned forward from the back seat. "Marc...I forgot my ski boots."

"Yeah, right," I replied. "Sure you did." I'd heard that one before. He started laughing. "Just kidding," he confirmed.

But at that moment, Tony started looking sheepish. "I forgot mine," he said quietly. "And I'm not kidding."

The Kid's joke made Tony realize that they were still sitting on the boot dryers downstairs at my house. #-o So after stopping at Valley Market in Eden for a couple of discount lift ticket vouchers, upon arrival at Powder Mountain Tony went in for some rental boots while the rest of us stood in line for lift tickets. I picked up four Lightning Ridge cat skiing vouchers, too, for the wonderful price of $8 each.

It became readily apparent that today would be the busiest that I've ever seen Powder Mountain. The parking lot was nearly full when we arrived. Ticketing took 15 minutes. Yet our only liftline of the day more than 90 seconds was to ride the Sunrise poma, and that was 10 minutes. Slopes were wonderfully devoid of traffic, for it takes an awful lot of people to fill 5,500 acres of terrain.

Tony emerged from the rental shop and realized that he'd left his poles in the truck. It was gonna be one of those days. :roll:

Eventually, somewhere around 9:30 am or so, we headed down the green groomer that led to the Timberline chair. Up Timberline, we headed straight for Hidden Lake Express to access Powder Country.

Now, for the uninformed, allow me to explain Powder Country. Powder Mountain is an upside-down ski area. You approach from the south, park at the top, and the ski lifts all drop down the north side. Yet, that leaves hundreds of acres on the south side that lead back down to the access road, and yep, PowMow runs a school bus up and down the access road to pick up those who decide to ski the "back side."

Carving screaming arcs through completely untracked low-angle alpine meadows in Powder Country was one of the highlights of the day. About the only thing that could've made it better would have been if the snow was lighter. It fell wet this week, then the wind whipped it ferociously, then it set up in the overnight cold. The result was some incredibly dense stuff, slightly wind crusted, that still skied remarkably well if you carried speed, stayed in the fall line, and sat ever-so-slightly aft of center. And that's precisely what we did.

We caught the bus back up, and got off at Sunset. Sunset is the first parking lot you come to as you ascend the access road. It's Powder Mountain's night-skiing area and teaching area. It's also the lift to access the pickup point for the Lightning Ridge snowcats.

Again, it was busy today, which meant we had a two-cat wait despite the fact that this new passenger snowcat of theirs carries a whopping 18 passengers. No big deal, for it was warm and sunny outside, and we conversed with others in line and snapped photos while we awaited our turn.

When our turn came, I rode in the cab with the driver to shoot stills and video. And to the jackass who spent the ride in the back badmouthing me, you're wrong -- I live here. Props to The Kid for speaking up in my defense. =D> I only wish that I was back there to hear it.

We got out of the cat and immediately started up the boot ladder to James Peak. The sun beat down on us, making the climbing more difficult, but I owe a beer to whoever set that immaculate boot ladder. Even though there were only a couple of tracks at that point on the obvious lemming line down James Peak, Bob had other ideas.

We traversed out. And out. And out. Eventually we arrived at his destination, a bowl that...I swear to God...didn't have a single track in it. None. Nada. An entire bowl to ourselves!! \:D/

(It was only at lunch later that I realized that we were actually out of bounds, and on a "considerable" avalanche day no less. :shock: I'm sure glad that I didn't know that at the time.)

That run went on...and on...and on. Not a single track for vertical feet - I kid you not! At the bottom we negotiated an open stream and climbed out no more than 10 vertical feet to board the Paradise lift. Great route finding, Bob! =D>

By now The Kid was whining rather intensely about lunch, so we headed to the Powderkeg Pub via Paradise and Timberline for a quick burger, hot dog and beer. It was 1:30 pm by the time we got there (that was one long trek out Lightning Ridge!) , and we spent lunch hatching the afternoon plans. The Kid headed to the Terrain Park on Sunset, while Bob, Tony and I mulled our options. Another Lightning Ridge run was considered, but Tony wanted to see more of the area, so we went with Tony's plans.

Once again down to Timberline, then some wonderful aspen trees under Hidden Lake Express led us down to that chair, and back up. We followed the road over to the Sunrise Poma, where we had our only true liftline of the holiday weekend Saturday (again, only 10 minutes), and we headed way out into Cobabe Canyon, again scoring untracked through beautifully-spaced low angle trees.

It was now 3:15, so we headed back up Paradise and Hidden Lake, for we had other plans. Tony headed back to the rental shop to return his boots. Bob and I went down to Sunset to pick up The Kid. Our plans were ready.

Tony was to drive the truck down the access road to the gate just above the Wolf Creek Resort in Eden. We were going to ski down 2,700 vertical feet of the south side of the mountain into the canyon formed by the North Fork of Wolf Creek. This technically starts in the Powder Country area west of the access road, but instead of staying within Powder Country on the east side of the ridge, you drop off the west side of the ridge into the next drainage over.

Our odyssey, however, would have to wait. The Kid was bragging about landing a "Bio 5" off the small jump in the Sunset terrain park, so he led us down to show us. Harummmph. All I got to see him do was smear the landing zone with his forehead. :lol:

One more ride up Sunset and we headed out. It was a gorgeous afternoon as the ground fell away below us into the Eden Valley, and in the distance the expanse of the Great Salt Lake was visible in the late day sun through North Ogden Canyon. We had one last 150-vert hike to ascend before clicking back in and heading down into Wolf Creek drainage.

We gradually worked our way left after each successive untracked powder shot. The skiing on these northwest-facing shots was quite good in spite of the heavy snow that got progressively heavier as we got lower. Eventually at 6400 feet we met the 4x4 road that would lead us out.

We had planned to ski out, but the warm weather over the past week and today's brilliant sunshine had other plans. The road winds around folds in the hillside a couple of hundred feet above the creek, and on each successive south-facing hillside the snow cover became less and less until, still three quarters of a mile from the access road where the North Fork and South Fork join, we ran out of snow. No matter, it was a beautiful day for a hike, and Bob and The Kid shouldered their skis while I strapped mine to my pack, and we hoofed it out the last short distance to Tony waiting in the truck. We arrived at 5 pm, a wonderful way to cap off a wonderful day.

Edit Feb. 18, 2007 5:15 pm MST: I was really unhappy with the way that YouTube overly compressed the videos, so I've uploaded them to Photobucket and added one more with much better results. Here they are:

 

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Great report and pictures Marc. Can't wait to experience days like that myself. I'm getting stronger every day and we are still looking at a March 15th departure for UT.
 
That's great news, Peter! Keep up that recovery.

As for the videos, I'm very disappointed at the quality of the videos hosted by Zippyvideos. They compressed good-quality video way too much. I'm currently looking at alternative free hosting options that don't overly compress them. Anyone have any suggestions?
 
I had the pleasure of skiing PowMow on 2/1 & 2/2. Even with "only" 6" new over 2 days, I feel like I skied untracked pow the whole time. What a great place. For folks like me who are more interested in trees/powder/all mountain exploration instead of steeps, PowMow is a great option. Of course, if you're into bump skiing, you'll be disappointed, since there literally aren't enough skiers per acre to generate bumps. I suspect that, even on a crowded day, once you get your ticket and start skiing, the only lines you'll find are either for the snowcat, or in line at the Summit House for food. They really need a bigger lunch house!

Just riding on the snowcat was a fantastic experience...at only $8, it's an absolute steal. And the run down Lightning Ridge was electric!

With Alta now having hi speed chairs and drawing lots (too many?) of people, this really has become the Y2K Alta. :lol:
 
OK, I reloaded the videos onto Photobucket with much better results than I had with YouTube. I also added one more. Scroll up to the first post for the updated videos.
 
Ooooh Baby! This is just what I wanted to hear! I'm be leaving with the family on Tuesday morning for a week in Utah. I've been there several times and skied everywhere except Snowbasin and PowMow but my wife and kids have not been to Utah before.

We decided to stay in Eden this time because I wanted to check out PM and Snowbasin, and hoping that the crowds would be a little lighter. After I booked the trip I started to worry that they'd never get enough snow by the time we got out there, but it looks like its going to be beautiful now, with more snow to come tomorrow!

Thanks for posting those photos and videos just in time. My kids are stoked to finally get to ski Utah. We'll proably make a 1 day road trip to Alta also in search of some light steep powpow.

My biggest question now is which 2 pairs of skis to bring of the following (from least to most fat): 182cm Intuitiv 74's, 180 Salomon Scream Limiteds, 188 K2 AK Enemies, 175cm Volant FB's? I'm leaning toward the first two thinking that we're more likely to be skiing not very deep cut up snow, moguls and groomers. Or should I ditch the "narrow: I-74's and bring something more crud-bomber worthy especially for skiing some of the heavy low angle untracked at PowMow?

Any suggestions? Thanks!
 
You definitely need something "crud-bomber worthy" for PowMow especially in March. Exposures are all over the map, in bounds mostly east and west off north facing ridgelines. And the Powder Country bus runs are mainly south.

This is not a serious criticism of a very unique area. With the cat and bus runs there really are 5500 acres. The last time I was here 16 years ago, there was no Paradise lift, it was puking snow and I really had no idea what the place looked like. It won't be 16 more years before I come back.

Many props to Bob Dangerous for the local's tour after the cat ride. A memorable experience even with the rental gear.
 
Thanks for the quick reply Tony. I think I'll Leave the Dynastars home and bring either the Volant FB's or the K2's. I"ll check the forecast one last time tomorrow.

As far as Powder Country goes, is that area a place where you really need a guide or some local knowledge, or can we find our way down to the road easily without ending up in lost? It doesn't sound like the terrain is anything for my wife to worry too much about. She's a pretty good skier, but might struggle a bit if the snow gets very heavy.
 
Tony...how'd you like the rental boots? Bet you won't do that again.

SkiSwami...I brought my Salomon Pocket Rockets and my Salomon Scream LTDs. I used the PRs on the powder days and at Powder Mountain. When the sun shined and the moguls got big and soft the Screams were the dream. Ditch the skinny skis.

Marc, nice report and pix. Why was that guy badmouthing you? What did you do to set him off?
 
SkiSwami, go phat. Phat is good. Leave the skinny skis and mid-fats at home.

Sharon, apparently he was distressed by the fact that I rode shotgun.
 
OK, I'm going phat! I think my skinny mid-fats will be replaced with the Volant FB's. I actually like the K2's better but the Volants havent seen much love since I bought them 2 years ago. So I think I'll bring them and hope for a big dump possibly by next weekend.

Along with my Salomons, which pretty much do it all, I think I'll have it covered.

Any input on that question I asked above regarding Powder Country?
 
Swami,

If you show up before 9 you can get a guide for $80, no matter how many people in your group. a great deal if you have 4 or more people...maybe pricey for 2, but well worth it. They will take you all over all day long and you will never ski the same line twice. Really nice guys. Ask for Marcus.

We didn't hire a guide and we spent a lot of time trying to figure the place out. It has a very unusual layout. I would hire a guide there if I had a group next time. Local knowledge can make for a much better experience.
 
Sorry, I overlooked that Powder Country question.

If you go off Hidden Lake, just be conscious of a series of orange discs on bamboo that mark the boundary. It's very easy to get sucked left by the lure of wide-open meadows where the fall line can inadvertantly bring you to the next drainage south, which will still bring you to the access road but below where the bus does pickups. The worst thing that would happen there is that you'd be hitching back up.

From the top of Sunset, the lines are obvious.
 
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We traversed out. And out. And out. Eventually we arrived at his destination, a bowl that...I swear to God...didn't have a single track in it. None. Nada. An entire bowl to ourselves!! Dancing

(It was only at lunch later that I realized that we were actually out of bounds, and on a "considerable" avalanche day no less. Shocked I'm sure glad that I didn't know that at the time.)

That run went on...and on...and on. Not a single track for vertical feet - I kid you not! At the bottom we negotiated an open stream and climbed out no more than 10 vertical feet to board the Paradise lift. Great route finding, Bob!
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Wow...as a reader this gave me mixed emotions and even more so after looking at the video of the bowl. You know how when you are there at the moment and something is just sooo freakin' amazing (such as standing on top of a 2K bowl without a track in it) you could die right now and be happy? I got that idea from the way you wrote about it, Marc, but then you threw in that it was out of bounds on a considerable avie day, and you guys didn't even know it. That bowl is huge! And while I don't have much experience out of bounds in the west but if I thought it was inbounds I would've made massive GS turns down the entire thing. If it was out of bounds, I wouldn't even want to stand where Bob is in the video that he doesn't know its a video.

Marc, did you have any after thoughts on this...you guys didn't know you were going out of bounds, did the cat driver give any instruction/directions seeing as this cat is used as a "lift" and is on the trail map, etc...you know what I mean? That's not just a 300ft pitch or a small gap in the trees...that bowl has the same vertical and probably more skiable acres than most eastern ski areas; a large slide there would swallow anything.
 
Well, powderfreak, here are a few thoughts:

1. Even in-bounds, we were following safe avalanche travel protocols -- only one person at a time in exposed locations, ski from point of safety to point of safety, have an escape route planned at all times, etc. As much as I appreciate ski patrol avalanche control, I don't trust it implicitly on days when slide probability is high.

2. Where Bob was standing in that "it's a video?" video, we were actually fine -- that was on a prominent ridge.

3. The bowl itself was well under 35 degrees. It was the chutes above that presented the risk. We were actually well below them, such that if they had in fact let go, we likely would've been beyond the runout zone. We weren't foolish enough to ski it from the top.

4. That area is part of where Diamond Peaks Heli-Skiing flies, and they were flying that day...a lot. My guess is that perhaps they had controlled it (although they were dropping primarily on the other side of the ridgeline that day to access northwest-facing terrain).

All of that said, there are times that you look back and realize that you made some foolish decisions. This was one of those times. :oops: Fortunately we didn't pay any kind of price for our foolishness.

As for your question, nope, no advice from the cat driver, but I don't know if they'd expect anyone to traverse out as far as we did. There was no ropeline or other "ski area boundary" marking that we crossed, either. And we didn't go so far out that we couldn't get back to the Paradise lift (Powder Mountain's lowest lift) without climbing.

And to top it all off, things went off here this past weekend. One kid was killed skiing or riding Hell's Canyon near Snowbasin, and another 16 year-old was killed snowmobiling somewhere near Heber. I have yet to look up the details.
 
Speaking of Powder Country, I just read this on Avalance.org this morning:

"It appears that two other skiers were caught and carried in separate incidents in the Powder Mountain backcountry and the Canyons backcountry, though details are thin at this point."

I hope they're OK. I think I'll go with the guide option on our first venture to Powder Country this week! Thanks for pointing that out.
 
Powderfreak wrote:
Wow...as a reader this gave me mixed emotions and even more so after looking at the video of the bowl. You know how when you are there at the moment and something is just sooo freakin' amazing (such as standing on top of a 2K bowl without a track in it) you could die right now and be happy? I got that idea from the way you wrote about it, Marc, but then you threw in that it was out of bounds on a considerable avie day, and you guys didn't even know it. That bowl is huge! And while I don't have much experience out of bounds in the west but if I thought it was inbounds I would've made massive GS turns down the entire thing. If it was out of bounds, I wouldn't even want to stand where Bob is in the video that he doesn't know its a video.

I also shared Scott's sentiments. Sounded like there was a lapse of judgement there, but glad that nothing terrible happened.

SkiSwami wrote:
I think I'll go with the guide option on our first venture to Powder Country this week!

Good plan. You will get your $'s worth out of it for sure and an added measure of safety. With a guide you will be able to ski more because you won't be spending time trying to figure out the trail map and taking 2 runs to actually find the shot you are looking at on the map. This cost us some time and sometimes we just didn't know where we were going as the trail map doesn't look much like the terrain we skied. It was a real guessing game...though we did find some great skiing there and have huge desires to go back.
 
admin has analyzed our situation well. IMHO the only reckless part of that tour was not carrying rescue gear.
 
Hey Admin.. My boys and I just arrived back in Cleveland, with its rapidly melting snow. Yep, we found out that cell phone coverage is zilch at pow-mow. Too bad we couldn't hook up that day. Next time. Like you, we had a blast, enough so that we came back on Tuesday for the final day of our vacation. We visited Snowbasin on Monday for the fresh snow and figured there would be plenty of untracked terrain at Powder Mountain on Tuesday. There was.

A couple of thoughts, based on prior comments...

I agree with Sharon, if you're new to powder country, hire a guide. Just my opinion, but it's plenty easy to end up in the wrong spot. We did four runs there Sunday afternoon. The first run we followed a group, but separated when we realized it was a paid/guided group (not before we heard the guides suggestions though :). Fantastic! The second and third time out we got in over our heads. Nothing dangerous, but I can't say narrow double blacks in heavy snow is our cup of tea. Some kind soul took pity on us while waiting for the bus and showed us a nice line for our fourth run of the day. What a great bunch.

I demoed a different ski each day. Being from the midwest, my own skis are fairly narrow under the foot and primarily for carving on hard pack. That's what we mostly have around here. I tried a number of wider skis, and while each had its own feel, they all performed much much better than my own skis in the powder. I don't know that I'll go out and buy my own powder skis, but I'll certainly rent them next time I'm out west.
 
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