Alta, March 8, 2010, pics added

Tony Crocker

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Eddie, Mark, Nick and Rick wanted to try out Alta on Monday and they headed out a little after 9AM. I drove over with Ben about 10:15 as we were both delayed by other issues. Ben called when we arrived and found the rest were in Catherine's. I was pleased to hear this, as they would get to see the area without me having to do another hike after Sunday's adventures. We went up Collins and headed over to Supreme to meet them, but once there we had no cell service. Ben was at least as beat as I was and thus we took a pass on the bumped up chutes and trees or the hike to Catherine's. So we took a couple of runs on Sugarloaf, the second on Backside all the way down.

Weather was partly cloudy with light winds; signs at Sugarloaf reported 36F at the base and 23F up top. On the traverse I noted Yellow Trail was in spring transition but Backside still retained winter snow.
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That snow was in unconsolidated mounds from previous days' powderhounds and made for a bouncy ride.
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We took the tow back to Collins and a Ballroom traverse out to Tombstone. Ben went a bit farther for some partially tracked leftovers. By this time we connected with the other 4 for lunch at GMD. We saw the video of Nick's 3/4 front flip and he called it a day with his bruised shin.

After lunch I thought I should show the newcomers the highlights off Alta's central spine. First we did the Backside traverse to Susie's Trees, as I pointed out the Notch, Eddie's High Nowhere and Gunsight above. Below the trees we cut across SE exposed Greeley Hill. I skied the hill just short of Greely Slot, but the rest of the crew disliked the transfer tow and thus continued the marathon traverse around to the lower part of North Rustler.

Next up we did the entire High T out to Highboy. There's now a fairly clean entrance from the very top, and the crew was suitably impressed with the long steep fall line and good snow despite some flat light. Ben and Rick pictured below.
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Mark and Eddie were too far down by the time I got the camera ready.

We went up Collins for a final cruiser and someone on the lift offered to show them the ski back to Snowbird via Keyhole. This "guide" actually took them back via admin's recommended route which worked better for their learning curve as they had been in Keyhole the day before and did see where its gate was above Wildcat.

I needed to stay at Alta as I had brought a car. I did one run out the T to Jitterbug which was just starting to soften, and another off Wildcat, where the gullies already had considerable bumps. West Rustler illuminated when I got off Wildcat.
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I finished with 16,500, still somewhat beat from the previous day.
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I think our younger crew did not not see Alta at its best. Much of the snow was in that awkward stage of no longer powder but not yet consolidated or smoothed out. Thus they were not tempted to hike to areas like Gunsight. The sun was not a major factor as on some of my warmer trips. FYI the Baldy Chutes and Devil's Castle were still closed, presumably due to wind loading over the weekend.
 
Tony Crocker":1jbc1l9t said:
On the traverse I noted Yellow Trail was in spring transition but Backside still retained winter snow.

Then you could have/should have dropped the line to the immediate skier's right of Yellow Trail, which faces NNE instead of SSE. That avoids the transition area, or refrozen coral reef if it's gotten that far.

Tony Crocker":1jbc1l9t said:
That snow was in unconsolidated mounds from previous days' powderhounds and made for a bouncy ride.

Bobby said it: "sounds like a search for skied enough snow !" You really didn't.

Tony Crocker":1jbc1l9t said:
First we did the Backside traverse to Susie's Trees, as I pointed out the Notch, Eddie's High Nowhere and Gunsight above. Below the trees we cut across SE exposed Greeley Hill. I skied the hill just short of Greely Slot, but the rest of the crew disliked the transfer tow and thus continued the marathon traverse around to the lower part of North Rustler.

If you did that, you didn't ski Susie's Trees, for if you got even one turn in Susie's, then you wouldn't have been able to make that traverse. The kids, however, basically took one 1870-vertical-foot traverse. Why?

Tony Crocker":1jbc1l9t said:
We went up Collins for a final cruiser and someone on the lift offered to show them the ski back to Snowbird via Keyhole. This "guide" actually took them back via admin's recommended route which worked better for their learning curve as they had been in Keyhole the day before and did see where its gate was above Wildcat.

You can't get to Keyhole from Collins without some serious uphill traversing across Baldy Shoulder. Likewise you can't get to my "recommended route" from Collins at all without hiking to the top of Wildcat. Sounds to me like they were taken out the Blackjack traverse. <yawn>

Tony Crocker":1jbc1l9t said:
and another off Wildcat, where the gullies already had considerable bumps.

Which is why you avoid the gullies in Wildcat and ski the faces and ridges instead.

Tony Crocker":1jbc1l9t said:
Much of the snow was in that awkward stage of no longer powder but not yet consolidated or smoothed out. Thus they were not tempted to hike to areas like Gunsight.

Which is why you should've sought out areas like Gunsight...and Eddie's High...and Greeley Slot...they would've been more skied and more consolidated.

By your recount, you basically accompanied the 2nd generation on a total of five runs, which once you back out your couple of Sugarloaf laps matches up with your vertical tally:

1. Yellow Trail/Backside -- should've stuck to the aforementioned skier's right on Yellow Trail;
2. Tombstone;
3. An 1870-vertical-foot traverse with no appreciable skiing anywhere upon it;
4. High Rustler
5. A groomed cruiser.

What??? No Eagle's Nest? No true North Rustler? No Supreme Bowl? No Eddie's High/Gunsight/Thirds? No Westward Ho? No Greeley Slot? No Lone Pine? Those would've all been on my hit list for yesterday. Of the five runs you describe above, two of them were a total waste of time and effort. You missed out on the very obvious places for consolidated north-facing snow.

No wonder those kids left disappointed. :?
 
The expiration date on the "he said/she said" routine about Alta and Snowbird is rapidly approaching.
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jamesdeluxe":1ibmqyma said:
The expiration date on the "he said/she said" routine about Alta and Snowbird is rapidly approaching.
:x

I actually agree whole-heartedly. However, my post above was about some poor decisions that led to visitor disappointment, not arguing the virtues of one resort over another.

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Admin":187bg22a said:
my post above was about some poor decisions that led to visitor disappointment
Yeah, but even though Crocker knows more about Alta than most visitors, he doesn't have the 70-days-a-year knowledge that you and your group do.

Or are you saying that he's playing dumb to emphasize his Snowbird-is-better-than-Alta opinion?
 
jamesdeluxe":1sorw2rp said:
Admin":1sorw2rp said:
my post above was about some poor decisions that led to visitor disappointment
Yeah, but even though Crocker knows more about Alta than most visitors, he doesn't have the 70-days-a-year knowledge that you and your group do.

Or are you saying that he's playing dumb to emphasize his Snowbird-is-better-than-Alta opinion?

:-#
 
Tony Crocker":21qqlfio said:
First we did the Backside traverse to Susie's Trees, as I pointed out the Notch, Eddie's High Nowhere and Gunsight above.
I explained how they would get there and asked if they wanted to do one of those. They said no. After Highboy I also asked if they wanted to do anything else off the High T. At that point they elected to do one cruiser and then head home from Wildcat. They met the "guide" on the Collins ride, skied with him down the cruiser, then up Wildcat. They were also somewhat tired from Sunday (4 more days of skiing coming with fresh powder expected) and did not think the hikes would be worth it. Their choice, not mine.

Admin is in :dead horse: mode now IMHO.
 
jamesdeluxe":3hs5ptnm said:
Admin":3hs5ptnm said:
my post above was about some poor decisions that led to visitor disappointment
Yeah, but even though Crocker knows more about Alta than most visitors, he doesn't have the 70-days-a-year knowledge that you and your group do.

And BTW, while we're at it, he not only disagrees with the statement above, but asserts that he actually knows it better than we do:

In [url=http://www.firsttracksonline.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8738&start=0#p52766 said:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8738&start=0#p52766[/url] Tony Crocker":3hs5ptnm]While admin has lived in Utah for the past 5 years, with my well-known track record for Utah weather I suspect I've skied more warm weather spring days typical of early April than he has.

In [url=http://www.firsttracksonline.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8738&start=15#p52808 said:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8738&start=15#p52808[/url] Tony Crocker":3hs5ptnm]My opponents in this snowball fight may live in Utah but they have not been there that long. I suspect my 18 season sample size is more credible than a similar number of days from 1/3 as many seasons

His terrain choices in the OP prove that contrary to his limitless hubris, he doesn't know jack about how to work Alta.

Tony Crocker":3hs5ptnm said:
Admin is in :dead horse: mode now IMHO.

Funny statement, coming from the guy who drags out the same misinformed argument every frickin' year even after being proven wrong time and time again.

And it's 9:30 -- what are you doing posting here? Go ski.
 
eddies high nowhere-- gunsight all start out as nice runs cause everyone is forced into the same twenty five few yards of terrain to begin . but fairly quickly both open into wider chutes people spread out across the hill it becomes clumpy lumpy & bumpy now as if maybe trying a west rustler in the afternoon after 1:30 on a good sunny day it's sweet . i know because i was at the bird on mon. skiing right regs. and pucker brush all afternoon same exposure as west rus. think maybe right reg. might be higher in elevation wind blown smooth every where in upper gad valley . your choice of high rustler was good except for the light in the pics. it's vanilla .snow must have been nice there that's north facing a shot one can get at alta that gets enough traffic to ski up into a base .noone seems to mention harolds out across ball room just past the rope line that would have surely been skied into a base.
 
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