Alta & Snowbird, UT 4/7/2010

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Day 52: Timing is everything.

Kingslug arrived last night, and together with Mira, Sima and The Other Bobby D we sat in the Red Iguana last night swapping ski tales. The others were planning their morning plundering powder on the slopes.

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A last-minute decision at 7:40 this morning brought me to Little Cottonwood Canyon instead of work. I mean, really...I have two good friends staying with me, Kingslug is in town, there's 50 inches of snow yet to be skied (neither Alta nor Snowbird opened yesterday), and the sunset of the season is nearing. Put all of those together and it was a no-brainer.

We went over to The Other Bobby D's winter home between Little and Big Cottonwood Canyons to wait for the road to open, which it did promptly at 8:45. We quickly packed up and hit the road, arriving at the Wildcat lot at around 9:20. En route I phoned Kingslug -- he was of course unaware that I was skiing, but he was also unaware that the road had opened. :shock: I mean, c'mon, man...you made a last minute decision to fly out here just for this storm. In that situation I would've been in line at 8:00!

We booted up at the truck and Mira and Sima bought AltaBird tickets to provide the ability to play back and forth across the border now that the UTA Ski Buses are done for the season. Sugarloaf, Cecret and Supreme were closed all morning (Supreme stayed that way as far as I know), so everyone was crammed onto Collins and Wildcat (and I'm sure a few visitors were on Sunnyside, too). With something like 97 inches in a week, and a total of 50 inches since Alta was last open, Collins had a 15 minute line, Wildcat somewhat less. We headed for Wildcat as Kingslug called -- he was still on Wasatch in front of the firehouse :roll: .

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Excellent. Heavy, but excellent. It was obvious that the wind cranked through much of the storm. But everything was soft and silent -- mostly cut up with some true untracked here and there. We lapped it twice.

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By this time I was down to skiing in only a sweater, it was that warm. We endured the Collins line with the hope that Ballroom/Baldy Shoulder would open by the time we got up there. It opened sometime around the time we boarded the chair, but we found plenty of untracked on the early lines in Ballroom as everyone seemed to be headed further out toward Baldy Shoulder.

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Once that was done we were ready to head over to Snowbird as by that time they had Peruvian, the Tram and Gadzoom open. It was 11:30. We were going to ski a condo run but our little stash was available for the taking and absolutely, positively no one had been out there. One person entered 20 feet ahead of us but went way, wide left to a completely different part of the hill. We had the whole stash to ourselves. Unlike the snow in Wildcat and in Ballroom, this stuff was chest deep and absolute fluff as the wind never hit it.

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The line on the Tram was absolutely insane, wrapping all the way around the building. Unwilling to wait in that line we boarded Peruvian instead. North Chute has finally filled in and it looked good, but as we traversed over we realized why -- the gate was closed. We instead headed down Silver Fox to Cretin Chute, and out across Anderson's all the way to The Wave. Finding The Wave tracked out, we instead skied the west-facing aspens, finding untracked back down to Gadzoom.

Gad 2 and Little Cloud were now open, but everything to skier's left of Regulator (i.e., all of Road to Provo and everything accessed from it and below it) was still closed. However, there were two patrollers dropping charges on the Bass Benches, and two more heading into the Rasta Chutes to dislodge wind drifts in there. We figured that it had to be nearing opening time, so we headed up Little Cloud despite the enormous line that I'd estimate at 20 minutes or so.

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We got to the top and were contemplating our options when we saw two patrollers head from the patrol shack out toward Road to Provo. This was the signal we needed. We headed toward the gate where about 30 people were waiting just as the patroller dropped the rope!

Road to Provo didn't get plowed overnight, which in retrospect was a good thing as instead folks were traversing out across an even slope. Folks formed two or three lines, and The Other Bobby D took a high line and I a low one such that we managed to pass virtually everyone ahead of us. We were now first in line!

No time to stop for photos. As we went through the gate we all agreed to simply meet at Little Cloud. About halfway to Mark Malou Fork I dropped in to skier's right of the Wave (the other one) without any hesitation. We bombed down through absolutely consistent, absolutely untracked dense snow. I popped up over the Wave and prepared to head toward a chute directly above the bend on Mark Malou when a couple came from my right and paused to regroup. I didn't stop, I continued past them. Upon seeing this the male in the couple started skating madly downhill to enter the chute ahead of me, skied across my skis and knocked me to the ground...just to make it into the chute first. Honestly, for all the complaining about the aggro attitude at Alta on a powder day I've never witnessed anything close to this jackass' behavior. Another skier dropped a ledge and landed on Mira. Amy got hit, too. Looking back up toward Road to Provo afterward, there were 50 or 60 gradually descending traverse lines across the bowl where people tried to get ahead of anyone they could, ruining for everyone behind us the powder experience that we had enjoyed. There's just no excuse for such boorish behavior. This was a total $hitshow.

We took one more lap out there before everything was completely trashed, but this time we had to go all the way out to the Bass Benches to find anything resembling untracked snow.

It was now 2:20, and time to head back to Alta. Mineral Basin would never open today, so there was only one way home.

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There was, however, no way that I was getting in that Tram line, so we rode Little Cloud and bootpacked up to Hidden Peak. We then headed out the Peruvian ridgeline and booted up to the High Baldy Traverse. We were shocked to find the Armpit gate open, as we figured that we'd have to follow the ropeline down to Doorknob or Keyhole, so even at 3 p.m. we managed to find untracked turns en route back home.

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By now I was spent. We settled into the sunshine on the GMD patio for beer and a pizza (we never stopped for lunch, and I forgot my breakfast on The Other Bobby D's kitchen counter in our haste to get out of there when the road opened).

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Today was Mira and Sima's last day of the season, so they headed back up to ski groomers until after the lifts closed.

For tomorrow, Mineral Basin at Snowbird and Supreme at Alta never opened today, and thus should still be quite good. Backside opened during the course of today but had already been baked by that point.
 
It doesn't look like it in the photos, but did the snow get heavier as the day progressed with the warm temps and sun? How did mineral hold up as it is mostly south facing?
 
rfarren":1g36slp1 said:
It doesn't look like it in the photos, but did the snow get heavier as the day progressed with the warm temps and sun? How did mineral hold up as it is mostly south facing?

Only on sunnier aspects, and never too heavy. Then again in most places it wasn't inordinately light to begin with. Who knows how Mineral held up? It was closed all day.
 
Admin":22x319gm said:
Who knows how Mineral held up? It was closed all day.
:oops: I didn't read that sentence.
Admin":22x319gm said:
Only on sunnier aspects, and never too heavy. Then again in most places it wasn't inordinately light to begin with.

How light was it at snowbasin? I have to imagine it had to have fallen as super light snow being as the storm totals were around 50 inches.
 
rfarren":2vljwl46 said:
How light was it at snowbasin? I have to imagine it had to have fallen as super light snow being as the storm totals were around 50 inches.
In the Cottonwoods, not at Snowbasin. Plus, you're forgetting the significant altitude difference.
 
Admin":3a58s4uo said:
The line on the Tram was absolutely insane, wrapping all the way around the building. Unwilling to wait in that line we boarded Peruvian instead. .....We figured that it had to be nearing opening time, so we headed up Little Cloud despite the enormous line that I'd estimate at 20 minutes or so.....We headed toward the gate where about 30 people were waiting....
Upon seeing this the male in the couple started skating madly downhill to enter the chute ahead of me, skied across my skis and knocked me to the ground...just to make it into the chute first. Honestly, for all the complaining about the aggro attitude at Alta on a powder day I've never witnessed anything close to this jackass' behavior. Another skier dropped a ledge and landed on Mira. Amy got hit, too. Looking back up toward Road to Provo afterward, there were 50 or 60 gradually descending traverse lines across the bowl where people tried to get ahead of anyone they could, ruining for everyone behind us the powder experience that we had enjoyed. There's just no excuse for such boorish behavior. This was a total $hitshow.
Huh????? But, but, but......according to non-local local expert Tony, that stuff is just a "classic" Alta phenomena.
 
rfarren":w09k4wz1 said:
How light was it at snowbasin? I have to imagine it had to have fallen as super light snow being as the storm totals were around 50 inches.

23" at Snowbasin. Quite thick.
 
Admin":ryis9u9g said:
En route I phoned Kingslug -- he was of course unaware that I was skiing, but he was also unaware that the road had opened. :shock: I mean, c'mon, man...you made a last minute decision to fly out here just for this storm. In that situation I would've been in line at 8:00!

Please keep in mind, you're talking Kingslug here. But great report, I'm freaking jealous!
 
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longshanks":nyz5q0gu said:
Fabulous photos man!

ski-the-face":nyz5q0gu said:
sooo sick!

Glad you guys like the pics. As long as it keeps snowing, I'll keep posting them!

Skied Alta today but was solo, so had no one shoot. Skied Devils twice and that was quite nice. A very mellow vibe up there today, I think everyone was just worked from the past 8 days of skiing pow! Skied Baldy face just below little chute. Take off was a bit sketchy, but once it opened up it was very nice as well. My legs are currently very pissed at my brain. They want a break.
 
Marc_C":j116hcaz said:
Huh????? But, but, but......according to non-local local expert Tony, that stuff is just a "classic" Alta phenomena.

Not surprisingly, it's been 24 hours without any explanation from Mr. Statistics. :roll:
 
I don't recall ever making comments assigning boorish behavior to a particular ski area. In fact, I have often criticized those who make decisions on where to ski based upon stereotypes of the people who frequent a particular area.

The experience of the recent powder cycle reinforces some of my views:
1) During a Utah megadump when everyone gets pounded go somewhere other than LCC for lower crowds and quicker openings of roads/terrain. Since LCC was actually closed Tuesday admin and crew had no choice here. During this type of storm even Park City is well worthy, as evidenced by mbaydala's recent posts.
2) When LCC does opens after a huge dump, go for the Altabird pass so you have a wider choice in hitting delayed terrain openings. Again, this time it was so obvious that admin insisted that his out-of-town guests pay for the upgrade on their day tickets. This strategy also applies to the recent day when BobbyD was skiing untracked all morning at Snowbird, then moved back to Alta to hit some of the delayed opening places like Devil's Castle.
 
Tony Crocker":39mr1h8k said:
The experience of the recent powder cycle reinforces some of my views:

Why, of course it does! Your myopia ensures that it will, especially when you ignore Marc_C's points about your inaccurate biases and misperceptions regarding traverses, gates, hikes, crowds, liftlines, trashing powder via multiple traverse lines, speed at which areas get tracked out, etc. You chose to ignore all of that completely and instead focus on one minute issue, and with regard to that one specific issue I'll emphatically state that I'd much rather deal with a few extra moments lined up for Devil's Castle in the "classic" Alta scene, as you described it here, than deal with the $hit that I and the others dealt with in Little Cloud Bowl on Wednesday.

I'll also emphatically state that I love both LCC resorts, which is why I spend ample time at both. This whole season(s)-long pissing match is about dispelling the myths that you continue to propagate about your perceived superiority of one over the other.

Tony Crocker":39mr1h8k said:
This strategy also applies to the recent day when BobbyD was skiing untracked all morning at Snowbird, then moved back to Alta to hit some of the delayed opening places like Devil's Castle.

The Bobs missed out on the good stuff in the Castle last Sunday because they arrived too late. While we were on the traverse out the Castle they were still at Goldminer's Daughter at the bottom of Collins. They were therefore a minimum of two lift rides away and didn't reach the Castle until it was well tracked out. You also must remember that delayed openings occur at both resorts. Road to Provo at Snowbird didn't open until well after noon on Wednesday, and Mineral Basin never opened at all. At Alta, Supreme never opened at all on Wednesday, nor of course did the Castle. Backside at Alta did get open, probably sometime around the same time that Road to Provo did at Snowbird. As I said in the very first sentence of this topic thread, "Timing is everything."

You also have to remember that to Bobby Danger, everything -- including refrozen coral reef and sheet ice -- is "Beautiful!" and "Marvelous!" I love Bobby and his enthusiasm, but IMO you really need to sometimes take his conditions assessments with a grain of salt.

Tony Crocker":39mr1h8k said:
When LCC does opens after a huge dump, go for the Altabird pass so you have a wider choice in hitting delayed terrain openings.

You also do it to access terrain at one resort that's only easily accessible from the other. For us on Wednesday this was equally important to being able to catch terrain openings. We did so in both directions that day.
 
I don't see much dispute here on either of my 2 points. BobbyD may have missed the perfect timing for the Castle, but that was at least offset by much more powder that he got in the morning.

As usual, there is the local vs. visitor mentality. If I see reasonably decent untracked, I'm going to take the "bird in the hand" rather than wait around for perfection. With regard to the Altabird pass, the March 10, 2008 powder day was the reverse of BobbyD's Sunday experience. We had stellar powder on Greeley Hill in the morning, but at noon Mineral Basin opened while Backside did not, so moving to Snowbird that afternoon (Skidog did this IIRC) yielded more powder.
 
when rdd01 and i departed from the group at alta that fateful morning ! when i say snowbird was ready from the get go i mean ready ! rddo1 videoed a trackless sugar cliffs of me that was only the beginning of many many trackless runs that day . i have stills on the comp. but i can't figure compression to post them in a post . three or four pics of different spots along the devils castle traverse following the konga line . and yes there was contrary to popular belief still plenty of untracked out in the center all the way to the trees. pucker brush twice - old mans twice -old ladies - eddie moe twice - sugar cliffs again on video this time to only all the way out to the cliffs proper i've seen the video but can't figure compression on a post ! whoopies- bass benches - and an armpit gate over baldy back to alta for lunch. i.m.o. having an altabird pass is a beautiful thing being able to do one major run in each drainage that's lift or hike accessed at both ski areas only makes me want to cover more acreage at a higher speed . and alot is ones own personal skills at moving around between both ski areas and how much acreage they might cover or think they can ! skidog and i ski at a completely different pace when were not with the group !thinking about the altabird pass and questioning any type of thought buying less of a pass like either place just wouldn't happen couldn't have half of paradise after having access to it all that would only make me want to be a better skier !
 
skidog and i ski at a completely different pace when were not with the group
While I agree with BobbyD's philosophy on using the Altabird pass on powder days, I have no illusions whatsoever about being able to keep up. :lol:
 
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