Alta, UT 1/13/2013

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Admin":30w8yp9x said:
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"I gave my skis a complete tune last night including a cold snow wax. My skis are probably ready but I'm not sure that I am."

Nope. I couldn't have been more wrong. The flouro-infused hot wax I used was rated for +15F to -5F, the coldest that I could find at 7:30pm last night, and by the time the lifts started loading the temperature was -13F at the base and -16F at the top. I'd imagine that the snow temperature was even lower. Those skis stuck like glue. It was like skiing with climbing skins on, except that even on gentle downhills I'd come to a grinding halt. On flats or traverses, forget about it. My scrawny upper body got a real workout.

This was one of those days when everything seemed to go wrong. At the bottom of Collins Face I pointed 'em straight downhill and relaxed, like I always do. Too relaxed, in fact, to respond to catching an outside edge, and before I knew it I was sliding on my back at 30 mph straight toward a large red pine. I slid into the tree well and came to a stop no more than 6" from the sizable trunk. I didn't realize that the tree was even there until I stopped sliding, and that's probably a good thing or I would've needed a change of underwear. Telejon was behind me, and he got a real scare as he saw me disappear in a cloud of snow and once that dissipated, the next thing he saw was me laying on the ground up against the tree. I'm sure that I gave those riding Wildcat quite a show.

As I began the hike to High Notch on the next run my right ski kept popping off, undoubtedly frustrating those stuck behind me. I eventually concluded that it was due to a buildup of ice in the tech fittings on the boots, so I sideslipped on one ski back down to the Germania Pass patrol building and headed inside to borrow an awl to clean them out as the others went on ahead. I went back outside to step back into my skis and the mechanism that controls the ski/walk mode on my left boot dropped right off the boot and onto the snow. I stared at it, perplexed for a few moments before tossing the loose apparatus into an open pocket.

It took me so long to start sidestepping up to High Notch again that the others concluded that I wasn't coming. I saw them 50 yards or so ahead of me but I couldn't catch them until we reached Susie's Trees, and I got to ski a full length Backside with one boot in ski mode and the other in permanent walk mode. At the end I got to walk out for an eighth of a mile where I'd usually glide out with gravity.

Yeah, it was that kind of day.

On the plus side, I was fourth out the Ballroom/Baldy Shoulder traverse when it opened today for the first time since the start of the 16" storm, but the slow untracked snow was incredibly tricky to ski. A visitor from Colorado overheard my whining at the bottom of the run and yelled over that we're spoiled in Utah. OK, that's true, I'll give him that. He thought that the run was great, so I figure that he's used to Breckenridge temperatures or something. After two exhausting trips of literally walking out the traverse for untracked (the first at the Harold's ropeline, the second adjacent to Bad News) I was sufficiently dissuaded from joining the others for a third trip out the traverse to Harold's and skied a Main Street groomer instead.

Despite the temperatures I managed to stay comfortably warm, at least once I added chemical heaters to both toes and fingers. In fact, the High Notch hike left me literally sweaty. However, I just wasn't feeling the love and opted to quit at noon, go get my boot fixed (thanks Mike Triolli at Motherlode!) and head home. The Seattle/Atlanta game on TV right now is infinitely more interesting to me than the skiing was this morning.

No pictures today -- it was too damned cold to take any.
 
Like I said in yesterday's thread, somewhere the fun:effort ratio goes infinitely small.
:wink:

I see that the top of Collins is now at a balmy 4F.
 
I like skiing when it's below 30F, 20F is perfect. But -4F is insane, esp on those fingers and toes! Speaking of toes, I have Diablo boots with battery warmers, but I've never used them. Does anyone have any experience with those things? How long do the batteries last?
 
Marc_C":1s0woe4x said:
I see that the top of Collins is now at a balmy 4F.

Yeah, and Mid-Collins is at -8F.

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Alright. I just have to comment. I spent the day skiing in 45F while watching the snow literally melt before my eyes. Mad River was only 10% open because all the expert terrain was so rotten it was impossible to ski. So, I would have gladly taken -8F and 16" of slow fresh today over the misery we have to endure here. The question now is whether the mountain will be open at all tomorrow. I am counting the days until my return to SLC. 'nuff said.
 
Tonight's overnight low in Salt Lake City is forecast to be the coldest in nearly 20 years according to the National Weather Service.

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mrgskier":3vx8fw7s said:
Alright. I just have to comment. I spent the day skiing in 45F while watching the snow literally melt before my eyes. Mad River was only 10% open because all the expert terrain was so rotten it was impossible to ski. So, I would have gladly taken -8F and 16" of slow fresh today over the misery we have to endure here. The question now is whether the mountain will be open at all tomorrow. I am counting the days until my return to SLC. 'nuff said.

Why is this kind of snow slow again? Is it simply the incorrect wax? An inexperienced SoCaler would like to learn. I always assumed the colder the better.
 
SoCal Rider":3hq7bcu3 said:
Why is this kind of snow slow again? Is it simply the incorrect wax? An inexperienced SoCaler would like to learn. I always assumed the colder the better.

A couple of reasons:

1. Because they're so cold, extremely cold snow crystals are like sharp little razors that dig into your base and keep it from sliding.
2. Skis or snowboards slide on snow because the heart from friction melts a tiny layer of water between the two. When it's too cold to create that water layer you stick.

#2 is where wax comes in. When it's warm and too much water is created a soft wax breaks up the surface tension of the water and allows you to glide more easily. A harder wax for cold snow is more resistant to those sharp edges of cooler snow crystals and helps to keep them from digging in.

Ironically, had we been skiing today on older snow instead of fresh snow it would not have been a problem as the crystals would have been more rounded.

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SnowbirdDevotee":35etv3rd said:
Speaking of toes, I have Diablo boots with battery warmers, but I've never used them. Does anyone have any experience with those things? How long do the batteries last?

Are we talking about Hotronics or something else?

I had Hotronics when I was patrolling at Jay Peak back in the early 90s. They were just the ticket for a cold day when I would find myself standing around working on a patient. Back then they would pretty much give a full day on low when new and somewhat less at higher settings, but the battery packs had a memory and a horribly short life span. I'm told that they've improved upon them substantially since then.

The thing behind my complaining today -and Marc_C's comments - is that we're unaccustomed to those temperatures here. As he put it, I didn't move here from New England to ski in that kind of cold. I've got a closet full of cold weather gear that I haven't had to wear since arriving in Utah. You get pretty soft here rather quickly.

I have a rather complete weather station here at the house (http://www.marcguido.com/wx or on Weather Underground as KUTSALTL26) and it's now crystal clear that I'm going to set a personal record for an all time low temperature at the station tonight.

Edit: Never mind, we just hit it and it's only 9:14 p.m.

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Admin":1li3egsn said:
SoCal Rider":1li3egsn said:
Why is this kind of snow slow again? Is it simply the incorrect wax? An inexperienced SoCaler would like to learn. I always assumed the colder the better.

A couple of reasons:

1. Because they're so cold, extremely cold snow crystals are like sharp little razors that dig into your base and keep it from sliding.
2. Skis or snowboards slide on snow because the heart from friction melts a tiny layer of water between the two. When it's too cold to create that water layer you stick.

#2 is where wax comes in. When it's warm and too much water is created a soft wax breaks up the surface tension of the water and allows you to glide more easily. A harder wax for cold snow is more resistant to those sharp edges of cooler snow crystals and helps to keep them from digging in.

Ironically, had we been skiing today on older snow instead of fresh snow it would not have been a problem as the crystals would have been more rounded.

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Ah, interesting. We're all aghast out here because we've seen consistent daily low temps in the low- to mid-30s for a week-plus in the coastal valleys. (Tony might correct me, but it sure seems like over a week. January in particular has been chilly. I don't think it's hit 70 in my town in some time. (Yes, I know. Ha, ha, the horror.) We quite regularly get a spell of 80s+ here pretty much every winter.
 
Yes the coastal lows in the valleys have been in the 30's for a few days. There were freeze warnings over the weekend that did not quite happen here. Sunday lows were 32-36 in the coastal valleys, a few upper 20's out in Riverside/San Bernardino. Beach areas rarely get under 40; they were high 30's Sunday. I've been in my current house since 1984 and there have been 2 freezes hard enough to damage outdoor plants in that time, December 1990 and January 2007. I was at Mammoth the latter time and temps were about what admin & company had this weekend.

SoCal Rider":1bisf553 said:
We quite regularly get a spell of 80s+ here pretty much every winter.
I would say highs in the 80's and lows in the 30's are about equally likely in December/January here, maybe a day or 2 per month on average. SoCal temperature ranges are very skewed because of the Santa Ana winds. Our record high temperatures in any month of the year are very high relative to average temperatures compared to any other "Mediterranean climate" in the world. Record lows are fairly typical, most clearly driven by how close you are to the ocean. I found this out when I was comparing Santiago and Los Angeles weather stats for my Chile article in 2007.
 
I snapped a quick on the other day in Suzies Trees...MMMMMM good.

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