Alta, UT 12/29/2012

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Day 24: OK, I killed another one. :oops:

As I was waiting for my breakfast at Goldminer's Daughter this morning a guy greeted me with a political wisecrack, no doubt egged on to do so by jamesdeluxe. It was jasoncapecod.

Jason was at Alta today with only his two daughters, Zoe and Kayla (although I'm probably misspelling that one -- sorry if I am), as his wife was already flying the white flag of surrender and opted to skip out on the last ski day of their vacation. I had been convinced that he was avoiding me all week after hearing too many tall tales from jamesdeluxe. James, and perhaps kingslug too had reportedly told Jason that I take some sort of perverse pleasure out of killing visitors. Perhaps I was wrong? I mean, what does this guy think we do every day, anyway?

So at the opening bell I opted to ride Collins with the three of them instead of Skidog, telejon and AmyZ. The others went their own way while we took a warm-up groomer/test run on Devil's Elbow and Roller Coaster. That convinced me that Jason and his daughters were all three solid skiers and that I therefore had nothing to be concerned about. Jason's two daughters, in fact, have race team experience. Given that fact I figured that the next test was ungroomed, so we wrapped back to Collins via the EBT and headed out the Baldy Shoulder Traverse to Armpit.

There the snow was divine - cut up, but still deep in soft, fluffy pockets. I skied up to the Aggie's Alley groomer and stopped to look back up the hill.

Jason's oldest daughter Zoe was bounding down the mountain just fine. But Kayla was totally wigging out in the loose snow, refusing to make a turn to the right. Jason -- being the good father -- was there trying to talk her through it. Zoe got to me first...or I should say "almost got to me," because when she got within 20 yards she promptly disappeared into a ditch like a prairie dog popping back into his den. It was like a game of Whack-a-Mole, except that there was no way that I could win this one.

Zoe climbed back out of the ditch and I was relieved to watch her brush herself off with a smile. By the time the others arrived, however, Kayla's nerves were a frazzled wreck. It didn't help that they were on skinny little race skis, although I understand that they rented something fatter at Snowbird earlier in the week. I stood there apologizing profusely, but the damage was already done.

Jason muttered something about that which does not kill us makes us stronger. Kayla looked up at me with these big, round, wet doe eyes, like Cindy-Lou Who addressing the Grinch, and when we got back to the bottom she went inside GMD to warm up.

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Jason and Zoe, though, were willing to stick with me for another run to give me another chance. Riding up Collins I pointed to Sunspot and Spruce Forest, and asked if they wanted something similar to the previous run in Armpit. They agreed, although Jason muttered something again, this time about wanting to avoid the trees, so we shot out the High T as far as Sunspot.

The snow there was far stiffer than I had expected, and far stiffer than it had been in Armpit. Jason complained that it felt like a bump run. I'll admit that it was less than optimal, but it did soften up by the time we reached the Saddle. We shot through the trees to reach Watson Shelter as I was due to meet the others there, but when they hadn't yet arrived I suggested that the three of us ski down to GMD, grab Kayla and all four of us return to Baldy Brews for a warm-up latte or hot chocolate there with the others. Nope, Jason wasn't hearing anything of that suggestion, and he instead insisted that I should stay at Watson's while they would go back to GMD without me to retrieve their third. :?

I bumped into Jason again at lunch around 1:00, and when he saw me he looked like he saw a ghost. Or the grim reaper, I'm not sure which. When I turned around later he had left without saying anything.

OK, I killed a visitor again. This time, however, it didn't take all day. I swear, no one is going to hire me as a mountain host anywhere. I'm just hoping that that poor kid doesn't have nightmares tonight on the red-eye all the way back to NYC. Sorry again, Jason!

Considering that it was the Saturday of the busy Christmas/New Year's Week I was surprised to see that it wasn't that bad after all at Alta today.

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There were still plenty of pockets of soft, untracked snow to be found, and we did our best to find them.

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No, I wasn't rabid enough to bootpack up Dogleg. The highlight of the day was my season's first trip out Patsy Marley, beyond the ski area boundary from Catherine's.

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Once we got on the west-facing aspect along the traverse, however, I was surprised to find a little bit of zipper crust atop the snow from the sun. Even at its low angle this time of year, the sun had done a minor bit of damage. So we continued out to what in Mr V's knee's honor we call ACL, which is a slightly longer line with a few degrees of aspect more to the north. Those couple of degrees caused the sun crust to magically disappear. \:D/

AmyZ was the last of the four of us to drop ACL, and as she stood there waiting a lone visitor skied up behind her and quipped, "I hope that you don't mind that I'm following you guys." He was completely oblivious to the fact that he was in avalanche terrain a full half mile or so beyond the ski area boundary. He must have failed to notice the giant U.S. Forest Service warning sign within inches of the traverse as he skied past, placed right next to the bright white and red "Ski Area Boundary" sign. And when AmyZ dropped in he dropped in, too, nearly simultaneously. :roll:

Jason, this is what you missed:

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And yes, Evren, I sighted a Marc_C on the hill today.
 
For the record:
Admin":1c55qwim said:
a guy greeted me with a political wisecrack, no doubt egged on to do so by jamesdeluxe
Untrue, I did none of the kind. Jason can recognize someone who allowed himself to be fleeced, exploited, and lied to without prompting from me.

Admin":1c55qwim said:
he was avoiding me all week after hearing too many tall tales from jamesdeluxe and perhaps kingslug too had reportedly told Jason that I take some sort of perverse pleasure out of killing visitors.
Also untrue. I said that you take visitors to the far reaches of the Alta universe because:
a) You enjoy showing out-of-staters places that they'd never find without local guidance.
b) You'd rather make five turns in superlative snow rather than 20 in more obvious shots that are merely very good to excellent.
c) When you ski at a mountain 85+ times a season, going somewhere that takes a little extra effort and is only frequented by a small percentage of the populace becomes a reward in itself.
d) Part of the enjoyment of Points A, B, and C is scowling at and goofing on the map readers below from the chair.

The only part of "he's killing me" that applied in my case is that my out-of-shape, sea-level lungs were about to explode after only two days at altitude. Especially annoying when you know that you're slowing down a crew composed primarily of smokers.
 
Gee, a little overly defensive at my attempt at humor? :wink:

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Ah yes, the old "I was joking" gambit.

My point was -- while some (including Jason) might argue otherwise -- I don't think you derive a perverse pleasure from killing visitors.
 
Hi Admin and all. I'm coming out next week, skiing Alta Sat, hope you can work a "secret stashes of Alta" tour for me into your schedule. Will contact you later in the week. But wifey says I have to come back ALIVE! - Glenn aka SD
 
I'm thinking about how to reply.
Let me start with excuses. It was our 5th straight day of skiing and we saw a Jazz game the night before. We did have skinny skis.
Now Kayla, she can be a moody 15yr old girl, on the hill that day she was.
Marc, you couldn't have been nicer or more accommodating to us. To be honest I felt a little guilty keeping you from your friends and the incredible conditions.
We continued skiing the silky groomers all over the mountain till 1 ish , since we had to check out of the hotel. Wifey wasn't happy sitting in the hotel lobby all day.

on the way back to the car the kids said it was the best day of the trip...

I bumped into Jason again at lunch around 1:00, and when he saw me he looked like he saw a ghost. Or the grim reaper, I'm not sure which. When I turned around later he had left without saying anything.

you walked passed me and mumbled something :-k lol

I can't wait to get back out and ski with you again, with fresh legs and the correct skis..

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What about daughter Zoe, who liked the Armpit run? Wasn't she clamoring for more of that? I recall a day a the Iron Blosam when I was tired and decided to ski with a more intermediate group. It included a 13-year-old girl who was looking for more challenge so I would take a short diversion off the trail into the trees and she would be right on my tail every time even as I chose steeper or longer lines.

jamesdeluxe":1k48k62h said:
b) You'd rather make five turns in superlative snow rather than 20 in more obvious shots that are merely very good to excellent.
This is a subject where admin and I tend to disagree. Nonetheless following him out those long slogs out to short but pristine runs are very valuable learning experiences because there are times where those will be the only places with any powder left. And for those with less powder experience (like Liz last February) it's worth the effort to find a more pristine slope to make learning powder easier.
 
Tony Crocker":2er0l1bb said:
This is a subject where admin and I tend to disagree.

Indeed we do. My personal motto for a ski day is "quality over quantity." Based on my observations Tony, on the other hand, is far more interested in the "quantity" side by racking up vertical, with snow quality serving as only a moderate consideration. Then again, he'll likely disagree because his opinion of what constitutes quality snow differs markedly from mine (to wit, our recent exchange on wind sift), but the bottom line is that he tracks vertical and I just don't care to, which I think says a lot in and of itself.

In short, I'll do nearly anything to score untracked vitually every time over even just lightly tracked snow. If I'm crossing tracks I don't consider it to be "powder," nor do I if I can feel the base underneath. I'll also do what it takes to find the perfect snow consistency, hence our long schlep out to the far end of Patsy Marley where we even traversed/sidestepped further than normal yesterday just to eliminate that barely noticeable sun crust.

I'd much rather spend my time finding that perfect powder, even if in the end I don't find it, than waste my time on something lesser than that. I don't want to settle. And once I've estimated that the best of it has been played out I'll go home and come back another day for more, whether that's at 11 a.m. or at 3 p.m. If I were in better shape and trusted my snow sense more I'd probably spend far more time in the backcountry than within the resorts, but that's a different issue altogether.

Of course I can't always have what I want, but if it's out there I'll do my best to find it. If not we'll find the best that we can, and as a group we've got a pretty good track record. I had hoped to do that with Jason and the girls yesterday -- I wanted them to experience that bliss, too, when all the stars align for the perfect run -- but through the peculiar series of circumstances we unfortunately never got that far.

I'll admit that over the years I've become a real powder princess. Actually, to be honest the transformation began about a month after I moved here eight years ago.
 
admin":1cqp6vct said:
nor do I if I can feel the base underneath
That is my definition of powder. With the normal quality of AltaBird snow, there can be quite a few tracks in the powder before skiing it feels any different. This is less true with higher density snow we get out here, more important to get it with none or just a few tracks.
 
Tony Crocker":e320h8im said:
With the normal quality of AltaBird snow, there can be quite a few tracks in the powder before skiing it feels any different.

I disagree. Crossing tracks feels nothing to me like pure untracked.

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What about daughter Zoe, who liked the Armpit run? Wasn't she clamoring for more of that?

Zoe was shot too, she was also on 67mm Racetigers.

The day we rented skis made all the difference ..
 
jasoncapecod":nuky7ffe said:
Zoe was shot too, she was also on 67mm Racetigers.

The day we rented skis made all the difference ..
Something to keep in mind for the future. 67mm is fine if you're going to stay on the groomers* the entire trip.
A "narrow" ski for most locals is around 90mm. Many of us use a single quiver ski upwards of 100mm.

*: when we get those storm cycles where it snows 1"-2" per hour, then even the groomed runs don't stay particularly groomed.
 
My new "everyday" ski is 98mm underfoot. The consensus from reviewers of new skis is that "all mountain skis" are now in the 80's underfoot for the East and the 90's for the West. Over 100mm for LCC seems sensible in that context.
 
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