Alta, UT 12/8/07

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Day 8: Now that's what I'm talking about!

Storm totals were 30" by morning, and 36" by the end of the day. Needless to say there was a lot of pent-up demand, not only from our posse (The Kid, Marc_C, Skidog, Skidog's father visiting from NY, Todd, Todd's brother John visiting from MI, Dale, Pat, and TeleJon), but also from the rest of the Salt Lake Valley. As a result of that, plus only three lifts running this morning (Collins, Wildcat and Sunnyside) there were lines like I've never seen at Alta. It was nearly impossible to differentiate the Collins line from the Wildcat line -- they merged together in an absolute sea of humanity. Open terrain was also limited to those areas that don't require avalanche control, even though opening was delayed by 30 minutes by the echoing sound of patrol bombs, so the ravenous hoardes devoured the untracked snow quickly.

This was where local familiarity has its benefits. There were still spots off the beaten path where we scored untracked snow until mid-afternoon, although a couple of forays were ill-planned as even intermediate pitches were insufficient in the deep new snow. Despite waiting 10 minutes for the pre-opening liftline to subside before venturing outdoors, I headed into Fred's Trees on my first run to find: not a single track, at least on the upper part. None. Nada. I had to stop twice to leave the white room for fear of smacking a tree that I couldn't even see. We even scored low-speed face shots amongst the scrub below the Collins Road at the base.

Then two things happened around 1:00 that changed the afternoon entirely: Sugarloaf opened (although word has it that they only opened Devil's Elbow, and not even tower pads were set -- I never got over there), and concurrently, the powder hounds left to go home. The liftlines completely evaporated and both Collins and Wildcat were ski-on.

At the opening bell The Kid spotted some of his friends and headed off to ski with them. We next found them all at lunch, and The Kid surprised me by wanting to spend the afternoon tagging along with his old man. We lapped Wildcat trees until 2:30, hitting up everything from Westward Ho eastward to (but not in) Wildcat Gully, finding wonderfully light and fluffy cut-up chowder everywhere we looked. We even repeated the very line that Bob Dangerous and I skied on October 21 in bottomless fluff...twice. I can't keep up with The Kid anymore, and that's OK. He was landing 12-foot cliff drops switch, and skiing powder aggressive style that I can't hope to replicate. I've come to terms with this, and I'm one proud poppa.

Perhaps the most frustrating part for me today was how we all got separated. I skied the first run through Fred's Trees essentially solo. I bumped into Dale back at the base of Collins, and let him know that I just wanted to run my camera frontpack back to the truck. I quickly returned and...no Dale, proving once again that there are no friends on a powder day. :roll: I wanted to ski a few runs with Todd and his brother, but that never happened. Skidog lost his father to calf cramping and unfamiliar conditions on the first run. He also lost Marc_C somehow near the base of the first run. I never saw Pat again until the end of the day, and simply never saw TeleJon again, period.

This was exhausting skiing. Last week we skied 30,000 verts at Keystone. By contrast, I was whooped today by only 8,710. But as I've said many times, for me it's all about quality over quantity.

Base depths are now at 54" with 117" of snowfall year to date. I hit nothing significant all day, doing absolutely no damage to the skis whatsoever. Another 8-12 is in the forecast for overnight tonight, so it should be free refills tomorrow. Bob Dangerous hit up Snowbasin today, trading lower snowfall for less than the anticipated Alta crowd -- he skinned from the top of the Needles Gondi into the still-closed John Paul area by himself all day, finding absolutely no tracks but his own. He's on the fence about returning to Snowbasin tomorrow or joining us at Alta. Dale and Pat will be back for more as well. The Kid is considering PCMR with his friends but may well opt for Alta again. Skidog is considering a couple of early-morning runs before entertaining his parents further, and Amy will be there if the Sports Den finally fits her boots properly (they've been at it for over a year). I don't know about the others.

Sorry about the lack of photos today, but you must remember to replace the memory card in the camera before taking pictures. :oops:
 
lines like I've never seen at Alta...they merged together in an absolute sea of humanity.
I made this call. Alta was still 10% open Saturday vs. 43% Sunday. I would have waited until Sunday. Though it sounds like for passholders showing up at lunchtime Saturday would have worked out well.

I can't keep up with The Kid anymore, and that's OK.
Been there, done that. The gap will continue to grow.

117" of snowfall year to date
I'm deducting the 53 in October, as for most areas in the Rockies where I could figure out what October was.
 
Tony Crocker":1bwmm8mj said:
I made this call. Alta was still 10% open Saturday vs. 43% Sunday.

Not true. Alta had 500 acres open before this storm. That's 23% of 2,200 acres. And while the 43% is probably accurate for today, it doesn't tell the whole story. Vast expanses of Alta's terrain like West Rustler, Greeley Hill, Yellow Trail, etc. were clearly only closed due to an unbelievably unstable snowpack that they apparently want to let calm down and settle for a few days before doing control work and opening it. Those places were eminently skiable this weekend. And Supreme would been skiable after the snowpack settles, too, if they'd have sprung for staffing, but that always opens late and closes early. Ballroom/Baldy Shoulder was the only controlled area that opened today.

Tony Crocker":1bwmm8mj said:
I would have waited until Sunday. Though it sounds like for passholders showing up at lunchtime Saturday would have worked out well.

That's where you and I will part company. Why in the hell would I wait for 3 feet of new snow to be tracked out, just to avoid some liftlines? Honestly, as insane as they looked I hardly noticed them, yacking with friends and all. The lines were long but the day was about the whole experience for me. And I got more skiing than my legs could handle by 2 pm, so what difference would the liftlines have made?

I'll repeat: for me it's about quality over quantity, every time.
 
i woulda blown off alta all together for a reasonable ski experience at solitiude. no excuse for liftlines like that, if people only knew.
rog
 
icelanticskier":2s6f6ozp said:
i woulda blown off alta all together for a reasonable ski experience at solitiude. no excuse for liftlines like that, if people only knew.
rog

I know Solitude, quite well, actually, and I was perfectly content where I was.
 
i wasn't concerned with your contentment, you can wait in line and ski where ever the wind blows your hair back. i was piping in for those who may be a bit less in the know that other similar ski experiences are available without all the crowds that an alta sees on pow days so that one day alta won't be so crowded on those days and i can deal with skiing there again. it's just my twisted way of trying to change the world one post at a time. joey will listen, it just takes time plus, solitude is a silent investment for me and my future.
rog
 
Having been in Utah for a sketchy Christmas, I can tell you that reviews of Solitude then (like Snowbird) were not good. The decision to ski Alta after the first major dump was correct in terms of snow. The 43% compares to no more than 25% at any other Utah area.

I understand icelantic's sentiments. When I had a powder opportunity on President's Day last year, I went to Solitude and I'm quite sure it was the right choice then.

Vast expanses of Alta's terrain like West Rustler, Greeley Hill, Yellow Trail, etc. were clearly only closed due to an unbelievably unstable snowpack that they apparently want to let calm down and settle for a few days before doing control work and opening it. Those places were eminently skiable this weekend. And Supreme would been skiable after the snowpack settles, too
I made that call too.

Part of the difference in opinion here comes with being a passholder, where shortened or partial days to cherry pick snow make sense. But for someone buying a day ticket, Alta Saturday with those lines would not have made much sense IMHO.
 
Tony Crocker":1rw3vqkx said:
Vast expanses of Alta's terrain like West Rustler, Greeley Hill, Yellow Trail, etc. were clearly only closed due to an unbelievably unstable snowpack that they apparently want to let calm down and settle for a few days before doing control work and opening it. Those places were eminently skiable this weekend. And Supreme would been skiable after the snowpack settles, too
I made that call too.

As mbaydala pointed out in his response to today's post, West Rustler did ultimately open with the High T, as did portions of Backside.
 
Admin":2lehyqiv said:
As mbaydala pointed out in his response to today's post, West Rustler did ultimately open with the High T, as did portions of Backside.
The High T opened around 12:30-ish. However, only Gunsight and northward (meaning Greeley Bowl) were open on the other side of the ridge - Backside (aka East Greeley on the map) was still closed when I left.
 
interesting link. to pay that price wouldn't be so bad if the place wasn't so crowded. a place like alta, with it's steep avy prone terrain needs careful control work and anyone that goes skiing there should expect some inconveniences involved with skiing there. i'd pay double that price to ski powder at a less populated ski hill because the experience can give you a feeling that you can ski untracked all day without butting elbows on a rocky high traverse and it's still way cheaper than flying with powderbirds.
rog
 
Yes...many of which are already mentioned in the TGR thread.

1) Alta is/was by no means the only resort charging full price with "limited" terrain. IIRC, Solitude was charging nearly full price (certainly more than $45) on opening day with only two man-made green circle cruisers that equaled a single way down open. They immediately went to full price once they opened a mere 4 additional trails.

2) With all the info for every resort on each of their web sites, anyone who is surprised or shocked by the price at any ticket window is a moron.

3) Every ski shop in the valley has discount lift tickets.

4) Regarding the more general discussion about Alta in that thread, a lot of the "information" is of the highly accurate :wink: "I heard from a friend who had a friend who once worked there who heard that...." variety.

5) Much of the TGR forum appears to be populated by whiny children who actively resist learning how the world works.

6) I'm once again reminded why I never spend any time on the TGR fora.
 
As mentioned on the TGR thread Mammoth is charging $74 for 175 acres of a 3,500 acre mountain.

On the back end of the season, they go to spring rates (~3/4 of mid-season) when Canyon and Eagle Lodges close. At that time everything up top is wide open and 50-60% of terrain is lift accessible and skiable.

So with 5% of the mountain open, and Canyon and Eagle closed, why are they charging $74?

Answer: because that's what the traffic will bear. People are chomping at the bit to stand in huge lines and ski limited terrain and/or crap in November/December, while deep snowpacks sit deserted in April/May. /end joegm rant.
 
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