Alta, UT 4/17/2010

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Day 55: Straight into summer.

At least that's what it felt like. I skied all day just in my baselayer crewneck top. Without a hard refreeze overnight, ungroomed and untraveled terrain turned manky in a hurry on Saturday, even on north-facing terrain like Eagle's Nest. Groomers softened quickly.

Dale and I headed up just after 10 a.m. to find the place positively deserted.

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The upper 25% of groomers in Collins Gulch were still rather firm, which is why everyone was riding Sugarloaf in the a.m.

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We hooked up with Amy, Marc_C and Tirolerpeter, but a late-morning run into Yellowtrail and Backside was already unsupportable mank. It was therefore time to check off yet another line previously unskied for me, Perla's.

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I've skied the other three, including Main and Little Chutes on many occasions, so I was anxious to scratch off Perla's. Dale and I were the only two interested so up we went.

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It was a gorgeous day -- not a breath of wind, cloudless skies with views all the way to the Uintas.

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We stopped atop Perla's for a while to enjoy the day and watch others reach the summit.

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Two such Baldy hikers were Big John and Chris, whom I first met earlier this winter when I gave him a lift up canyon. Chris shot photos of us dropping into Perla's, which I hope that he'll ultimately add to this thread.

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The snow in Perla's was dry but firm, with a bit of wind sift on top. As you can see in the above photo the surface was anything but smooth, which provided a bit of extra challenge. It stayed that way all the way to the final three turns above the Ballroom traverse, which instantly turned to mank as Marc_C, Amy and Tirolerpeter waited there for us.

We headed down to lunch on the Watson's beach mid-mountain, where a talented band played for the entertainment of the few of us actually there yesterday.

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After lunch we cruised out a very user-friendly High T through Piss Pass to High Boy, followed by what seemed to be absolutely everyone who was there yesterday, including half of Alta Ski Patrol. It was the only run being skied heavily, and the bumps were big, round and forgiving.

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A next run into Eagle's Nest showed the difference that traffic was making, as that was darned near unskiable to me.

Marc_C and Tirolerpeter called it a day at that point, and staked out a table on the GMD patio for après-ski beers while Amy, Dale and I took one last run in Stonecrusher. Not as unconsolidated as Eagle's Nest, it was still nowhere near as pleasant as High Boy, so while Dale continued down Amy and I struck out through the woods and across Lone Pine over to High Boy, no easy feet in the deep, wet unconsolidated snow. We eventually reached GMD and enjoyed some beers before heading home, marveling at the density of folks on High Boy at 4:45 p.m...

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...while virtually no one was anywhere else.

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I'd love to be up there today, for it's a carbon copy of yesterday, but alas I have some unexpected stuff that needs my attention in the Salt Lake Valley today.
 
Admin":xvhaod1u said:
I'd love to be up there today, for it's a carbon copy of yesterday,...
Actually, it was noticeably hotter, with the snow even stickier and in the low-traffic areas, even more unconsolidated and unsupportable. Case in point, ASP closed Backside at 12:30, and a lot of the LCC slide paths that didn't slide yesterday, did today.
 
day62 ----- sugar cliffs - sugar cliffs - sugar cliffs - sugar cliffs - yesterday and today still some what firm this morning over yesterday morning but none the less nice and smoooth. s.s.p. opened them up about nine twenty or so yesterday and closed them yesterday about noon . not today cause it's last day for baldy express !! no more checkpoint between paradises !! two ski patrol gullies below the area boundry rope and one middle gully way down the hill first thing leading to approximatley twenty to twenty five min. walk back to m.b.e. base . on the first run only !! that yielded perfectly supportable corn about half to three quarters of an inch in depth completly supportable . did two of those with just matt and the last with matt and the other bob d . ( superb ) skiing everywhere else was nice but not like that !!
 
I was going to ask if anyone had been at Snowbird 4/17....

I do realize that BobbyD is one of those people who can make the most heinous snow conditions look easy. But I presume there was a reason Bobby chose Snowbird over Alta this weekend.

I was definitely in a more fortunate location (Mammoth) this weekend. Nonetheless by past history the LCC locals are probably not done with their powder days yet.
 
Tony Crocker":je4s61kd said:
But I presume there was a reason Bobby chose Snowbird over Alta this weekend.

Because the California chapter of the American Academy of Actuaries has proclaimed it to be vastly superior.

Tony Crocker":je4s61kd said:
Nonetheless by past history the LCC locals are probably not done with their powder days yet.

Big storm predicted Wednesday to Friday:

The National Weather Service this morning":je4s61kd said:
Special Weather Statement

Statement as of 4:20 AM MDT on April 19, 2010

... A late season storm to affect Utah beginning midweek...

The recent stretch of warm and dry weather will come to an end by
the middle of this week. A cold upper level trough currently over
the eastern Pacific will reach the California coast on Tuesday.
This storm will then turn east... reaching the Great Basin on
Wednesday. This last season storm will slowly grind east across
northern Arizona or southern Utah through early Friday. A prolonged
period of cooler temperatures and widespread precipitation... including
heavy snow in the mountains... will exist through the end of the week.

Ahead of the storm warm temperatures will remain across the entire
state. Strong southerly winds with scattered showers and thunderstorms
are expected Tuesday afternoon... and continuing through Tuesday evening.
Colder air will begin to pour into southwest Utah Wednesday... then
spread north and east across the entire region by late Wednesday night.
Widespread precipitation will develop in this colder air... with heavy
snowfall possible across the southern and central mountains. Rain
and snow will eventually work into northern and eastern Utah late
Wednesday and Thursday. Areas of heavy mountain snows are also possible
up north... though amounts may not be as great as over the southern
and central mountains.

One last burst of rain and snow will come as the storm exits the
area early Friday. High pressure will return Friday night... bringing
dry conditions and warmer temperatures heading into the weekend.

Additional statements... including possible winter weather
watches... warnings and or advisories may be issued for this
late winter storm. Monitor NOAA Weather Radio or local media for
updates on this approaching storm.
 
Tony Crocker":12yucqg6 said:
I was going to ask if anyone had been at Snowbird 4/17....

I do realize that BobbyD is one of those people who can make the most heinous snow conditions look easy. But I presume there was a reason Bobby chose Snowbird over Alta this weekend.
Please remove your myopic glasses. You're not realizing that Bobby D rarely chooses on over the other. On many if not most days, he commutes regularly between them. It's all about terrain and conditions, not picking one over the other. There's also the matter of which he chooses to document. He might rave about Whoopsies or Great Scott in a post, but not mention the High Notch and 4 High Rustlers done on the same day. Another consideration for the choice of the Sugar Cliffs is that this was the last weekend those shots were lift accessible.
 
admin":1azejon3 said:
It's all about terrain and conditions, not picking one over the other
Absolutely. But admin has a hard time admitting that every once in awhile, especially on a warm spring day, terrain/conditions might possibly favor Snowbird.
 
Please tell me that this thread is NOT going to devolve into another pissing match about the merits of skiing Alta vs. Snowbird.
:dead horse:
There are children starving in the world. Let's focus on the BIG issues.
 
after last tues. storm snowbird kept sugar cliffs area closed till the weekend in turn allowing the surface snow to somewhat cook into corn . ( even facing south southwest for the most part the corn layer on the surface was still only about two and a half inches thick. special attention needed to be paid as to when to close this area so skier and boarder tracks didn't rut up the snow. ) alta doesn't have the traffic snowbird has this time of year so you have alot of skied up pow thats not really consolidated into a base. when skied up pow unthaws in the morning you have a very short window in which to ski it before it goes to mank simply cause it takes really about a week of warm sunny days to really create a true corn layer on anything but south or west facing aspects in l.c.c. . with may on t he doorstep the sun starts to really move slightly north of east in the morning so more easterly aspects will become more corn enhanced on the surface instead of just early morning frozen mank which even for some one who knows how to take on challenging conditions can be a bear to ski . may is the first real month of corn conditions assuming it doesn't snow much . day light hours are approaching their longest time of the year and it takes that many hours of sunlight to really cook the north facing slopes to corn . in the month of may the evening temps for the most part will still dip below freezing helping to insure acold core in the snow pack which helps with holding back the melting cycle . snowbird and alta dont really start to have atrue melting cycle until late in the month most snow is lost to evaporation from the desert air that blows across the mtns. sure theres melting in high traffic areas but thats minor on scale to all the acreage available to ski . cause if one was to dig down into the snowpack now you'd only have to go a couple inches and you'd be back to cold dendrites .
 
alot depends on how well someone knows the terrain . with an alta bird pass one can find just about any aspect known to man between both resorts . BUT YOU MUST SEARCH FOR IT IT'S NOT GOING TO JUMP UP AND LET YOU KNOW IT'S THERE. back to work home for lunch.be back later
 
Very informative post above about the formation of natural corn. The frequency of spring storms retards its formation in Utah, though I suspect many of us would accept the tradeoff of more powder days. This year Mammoth has also had recurring April dumps, but on average Mammoth gets well under half as much snow as LCC after April 1. So I've had some outstanding natural corn days in mid-April at Mammoth. At Mt. Baldy corn season often starts in February. :lol:

I would add that the compaction from grooming greatly speeds up the corn formation process. The catch is that skier traffic has to be very low during the critical morning softening hours so the the snow will still be smooth when it reaches optimal corn consistency. Mammoth has so many lower mountain groomers in April that some of them get overlooked and over the years you learn when to hit them. The other sure fire corn recipe is to hit runs roped off for race training as soon as the racers are done. Some of these runs are right in your face at the Main Lodge yet were still good corn after lunch yesterday.

BobbyD is the best advertisement for the utility of the AltaBird pass.
 
I love those race courses. On days when the storm starts in an afternoon, they're always completely smooth so 2-3 inches of snow can actually make a big difference.
 
the only place or area that quickly comes to mind that would be anywhere near comparable at alta to sugar cliffs would be point supreme since that area has been closed for a couple of week now with a couple of snow storms to smoooth things over and very very light traffic i should think spiney chutes in the early afternoon would be sweeet. but then again some commitment is going to be needed to achieve summiting point supreme. it's not a hard walk but it sure can seem like a death march in the baking sun !!! skinning up probably isn't far from reality that would probably cut time in half but more supplies would be needed as one would heat up much quicker than walking ! corn snow surfaces that a ski area want to keep smooth day after day have to be monitered so that over heating a slope doesn't stay open after achieving softening deep ruts form quickly and stay for a few days until they cook out flat then there a pain in the early am when there a bit stiff. ruins a perfectly good corn run !!
 
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