AltaBird, UT 4/14-15/12

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Days 60-61: Exceeding expectations

The week's snowfall total was 26.5 inches by Saturday, with most of that coming in a little over a foot on Thursday. I missed skiing on Friday, so I figured that I'd be getting little more than sloppy seconds on Saturday.

I'm very happy to have been wrong. Very little terrain baked on Friday, so weekend warriors on Saturday were treated to three inches of new snow topping old tracks from Friday that still remained soft. And much to my pleasant surprise, there was nobody there.

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The same can't be said for Snowbird. I know that I've said several times this season that the crowds were deeper at Snowbird than at Alta, but this weekend the difference was remarkable. We ventured over for a few laps in Mineral. We had hoped to follow the long, long traverse out Road to Provo, across Pipeline Bowl, the Rastas, Whoopsies and Bass Benches to reach the top of the closed Gad 2 lift, but they had that closed at the Knucklehead. It's just as well, for at the same time that every lift at Alta was ski-on there was a 20-minute long full maze to board Little Cloud.

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Sunday morning at Alta was somewhat creepy. First of all, once again there was no one there. Second, it was their last day of regular operations this season. Alta will reopen for two bonus weekends with only Collins and Sunnyside running, but that's it. Most of the lodges closed after today, including GMD which serves as the de facto day lodge on the Wildcat side. And it happened with a 106-inch base, as deep as we've had all season. Even in this crappy year we're now knocking on the door of 400 inches of snowfall, in sharp contrast to Colorado's Front Range where I've heard that Copper logged only 160 inches and Keystone a measly 120 inches. Vail closed today with only 600 of their over 5,000 acres skiable while all of Little Cottonwood Canyon is skiable border to border. Perhaps that's why I've bumped into so many Coloradans on the lifts over the last few weeks, including yet another Denverite today named Rudy who laughed repeatedly when I mentioned how disappointing this season has been. "You don't know bad," Rudy told me, adding that he only bothered to get four days on his Intrawest Copper/Winter Park pass this season. "You Utahans are just spoiled."

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We picked up another two inches after closing Saturday evening, which freshened surfaces beautifully. Honestly, the snow didn't wet anywhere other than the flats at the very bottom of Snowbird. Everywhere else remained full-on winter snow.

For the second day in a row we played on both sides of the border. About a month ago the Alta Shuttle pulled the plug on bus runs after a couple of jackasses with anger management issues ruined it for everyone. So if you drop off the Wildcat Ridge into Peruvian Gulch you now can choose only between walking/hitching back to Alta or riding Snowbird's lifts. And with the Peruvian chair closed for several weeks you either board the Tram or ski all the way down to Gadzoom and work your way back via that lift, Little Cloud and Mineral Basin.

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We dropped into Keyhole at 10:30 a.m. Bobby Danger and AmyZ went to Keyhole proper, while a stray dog we picked up named Dana went to "Keyhole right" with me. FYI Dana could really rip, especially considering that his skis lacked edges on either side anymore underneath the entire boot of both skis. What we found was a line down through Keyhole that lacked any tracks whatsoever. Not even a patrol track. I've never experienced that before.

Dana headed down the Blackjack Road to walk back to Alta while the rest of us headed for the Tram. Like I said, Alta was once again deserted today (Dana called it a "country club" day without a road closure) but when we saw the Tram line out the door and past the ticket windows onto the plaza, I said "to hell with that" and we walked back up Heart Attack Hill to glide down to Gadzoom once again.

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After riding Little Cloud to regain the summit we dropped into Mineral to skier's right of Lone Star. The first couple of hundred verts were divine, but below that was a punchy death crust that was absolutely horrid. Several hundred survival turns later we returned to Baldy Express to head back to Snowbird East.

rdwore called from Little Cloud as we were having lunch at Watson Shelter back at Alta. He arrived after we had finished eating but he had yet to eat and insisted upon doing so. He's really got to get his schedule in sync.

While rdwore ate we went back to repeat our Keyhole run. This time we all headed to Keyhole proper, and although now tracked up there were still wide swaths of untracked snow to be had. By the time we reached Gadzoom rdwore had finished lunch, and we agreed to meet at the bottom of MBE.

Bobby dropped off the Path to Paradise just shy of the gun tower, while AmyZ and I found that the triange bounded by the road, White Diamonds and Powder Paradise had barely been touched. Bobby reported that the wind had obscured the crust found earlier, so when rdwore failed to materialize at the bottom of MBE we went up for another lap. Sure enough, the stiff breeze had now sifted in new cover and it was skiing exceptionally well. Shin deep wind sift. Amazing what a difference it made without any new snow falling at all.

The windier side of the ridge, however, was in Little Cloud, and once we retrieved rdwore we went back for a lap under the chair. It had now been buffed smooth and we did a non-stop high speed thigh burner top to bottom. It was so good we went back for more in Puckerbrush and down into Eddie Moe's, which also still had acres of untracked snow.

It was now 3:15 p.m. and it was time to work our way back to Snowbird East once again. We noticed, though, that the terrain to skier's left of MBE had also sifted in and was barely touched. Traversing over from the top of Little Cloud we were skiing even more untracked snow, right down to the lower Chamonix Chutes beneath the bottom of Baldy Express that had been bare ground only a week ago.

We reached the Taliban Checkpoint at Sugarloaf Pass right at 3:30. Alta officials had pulled the automated gates and were graciously welcoming a large party of snowboarders for their annual poach of Alta.

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We headed out the High T to ski West Rustler at 4 p.m. Near the end of the T we encountered one of the boarders complaining about how painful the traverse is on a board, merely reinforcing my belief that Alta would positively suck on a board.

We skied Annie's, which even at this hour on a mid-April afternoon still sported true winter snow. Divine. People were gathering atop High Boy for the party, but it was smaller than normal and I expect that the main party will be at the end of the month. I only saw a half dozen or so tailgates going in the parking lot, although the "Frank" party on Wildcat was raging.

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Returning to the base I encountered a sad scene. All of the patio furniture had been pulled already from GMD.

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I went inside, grabbed my shoes and coffee mug and changed on the bench outside. Changing inside wasn't an option.

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Looks like another fine weekend in LCC.

Is Alta forced to close in mid April due to agreements with the forest service?
 
baldyskier":3j5tjz58 said:
Looks like another fine weekend in LCC.

Is Alta forced to close in mid April due to agreements with the forest service?

Not that I'm aware of. As far as I know it's a business decision.

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Admin":ay184n7i said:
Even in this crappy year we're now knocking on the door of 400 inches of snowfall, in sharp contrast to Colorado's Front Range where I've heard that Copper logged only 160 inches and Keystone a measly 120 inches. Vail closed today with only 600 of their over 5,000 acres skiable while all of Little Cottonwood Canyon is skiable border to border. Perhaps that's why I've bumped into so many Coloradans on the lifts over the last few weeks, including yet another Denverite today named Rudy who laughed repeatedly when I mentioned how disappointing this season has been. "You don't know bad," Rudy told me, adding that he only bothered to get four days on his Intrawest Copper/Winter Park pass this season. "You Utahans are just spoiled."

Hey, Colorado had some good snow too. Wolf Creek had 390" this season including 100% operation and good coverage from early season all the way through. :sabre fight:

Unfortunately it is true though that this season is a giant stinker for probably 85% of Colorado. Poor early, OK middle, Horrible late. I'm sure you've wondered about the lack of TR's since my European adventure. It hasn't really been worth burning my $ and 'spousal points' since I've been back.
 
EMSC":2yk3tbd3 said:
I'm sure you've wondered about the lack of TR's since my European adventure.
That was quite a set -- I know I'll refer back to it when the time comes...
 
I was at Alta on Sunday, as well. Not going to do a full report on top of Admin's. Except to say:
In almost an exact replica of my first day at Alta, I ran into an Admin-substitute on the first chair. His skis were S3s, his other pass was at DV and he liked Snowbasin. Check, check and check. We skied together the whole day, with him leading and me struggling to keep up. Call me old-fashioned: I like to lay down turns instead of bombing the groomers. To be fair, he was just a speedy Gonzales, overall. And mostly we were off-piste. Specifically, he led me across a rocky traverse to Greeley bowl which would have taken me a while to complete otherwise -- so many distractions on the way. What an expansive bowl that was!
Anyway, the day overall added to my appreciation of what's possible at Alta even if the snow was less than stellar.
And now, a couple of pictures of the festivities. It was potentially an awkward day, when you could compliment someone on their 80s retro costume and have them reply, "What costume?"
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admin":3tqh4pwb said:
Even in this crappy year we're now knocking on the door of 400 inches of snowfall
So much for the comparisons to the 298 in 1976-77. The current 375 is tied for second lowest, but a measly 3 inches more and this season will be only 4th lowest behind 1980-81 and 2006-07. If Alta gets to over 400 by the end of April, 2011-12 will pass 3 more seasons.
 
Tony Crocker":6gd5dp4k said:
admin":6gd5dp4k said:
Even in this crappy year we're now knocking on the door of 400 inches of snowfall
So much for the comparisons to the 298 in 1976-77. The current 375 is tied for second lowest, but a measly 3 inches more and this season will be only 4th lowest behind 1980-81 and 2006-07. If Alta gets to over 400 by the end of April, 2011-12 will pass 3 more seasons.
These 2 and 4 inch deltas in total snowfall and related records are worthless. Far more important is what's on the ground at any given time. This season we were rarely over 100" of settled base. That's a fine amount in early December; in mid-April it sucks.
 
Total snowfall and season max base depth are closely related. Under 400 inches at AltaBird generally means max base depth under 100 inches. Incidence of the snowfall is more important to quality of skiing. One of the lean years was 1991-92 at 395 inches, but since 133 of it came in November there was probably quite a bit more decent skiing than this year.
 
Tony Crocker":tczh4chg said:
Total snowfall and season max base depth are closely related. Under 400 inches at AltaBird generally means max base depth under 100 inches. Incidence of the snowfall is more important to quality of skiing.

I call :bs: . Two or three inches of snowfall doesn't mean jack $hit for the quality of the skiing.
 
right especially if it's been a season full of 4% density snow storms! because we didn't get the early sierra cement this year like last everything tends to keep at least where you seem to need it early in the year blown clean. there were times earlier in the year that the snow pack would move so much with the wind that some caution was needed early on . so as a matter of amount of snow in a season i would have to lean more towards the quality of snow (density) hoping that early in the year we didn't get to many light density storms . light density snow for sure is the desired pow. but 40" of 4% density does nothing to keep one off the bottom . never mind getting just three or four inches it wouldn't be there !!!!! turning pete is taking a picture of doobie ! he played for the chargers for awhile.
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For a week long ski trip I'd take 2-3 new for a week over one day with 2 ft. I guess it depends what happens after the 2 ft falls though. Usually 2-3 in can be a nice refresher assuming that there hasn't been a long drought.

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SoCal":3snzcccz said:
For a week long ski trip I'd take 2-3 new for a week over one day with 2 ft.
In late spring in LCC that might be true as it implies the temperatures are staying down and you'll eventually have more days with winter conditions. But for typical winter trips including my Iron Blosam week early March I can assure you that the 2 feet in one day scenario is better. You get the storm day, the big day immediately after and temperatures typically stay down for at least a couple of days after that. This is a key reason Utah skiing is usually better than Colorado skiing IMHO. :stir:

admin":3snzcccz said:
Two or three inches of snowfall doesn't mean jack $hit for the quality of the skiing.
What I was referring to is that the reality of LCC skiing (mostly at Snowbird but also applies to much of Supreme) is that you aren't skiing a lot of the more interesting terrain until the base gets up to 6 feet or so. I would rather that 6 foot base be attained in November as in 1991-92 than in February like this year.
 
Tony Crocker":2mng2e7q said:
This is a key reason Utah skiing is usually better than Colorado skiing IMHO. :stir:

Obviously that can't be correct since Colorado attracts 3X more skiers than Utah with it's clearly better snow :snowball fight: :mrgreen:

Really though it all depends on the skier personality and level as we know. By the time storms make it to Colorado they are far more likely to begin breaking up and hang around giving three 8" days instead of a single 24" day. For experts, we'd prefer the face shots of the 24" day, but the vast majority of skiers can't handle deep pow and prefer the constant smaller refreshing that is more typical in Colo (Wolf Creek excepted!), IMO.
 
By the time storms make it to Colorado they are far more likely to begin breaking up and hang around giving three 8" days instead of a single 24"
The reality is that the 24" in LCC ends up being more like three 5" days at most Colorado areas.
EMSC":12ln0qs3 said:
the vast majority of skiers can't handle deep pow and prefer the constant smaller refreshing that is more typical in Colo (Wolf Creek excepted!), IMO.
This is surely true for the typical one-week-a-season destination skier. Colorado in February/March is the safest destination for consistent surface conditions for these people most seasons.
 
certainly lighter - but no 40" dumpes either. i.m.o there aren't alot of places that can say they get the consistent lake affect that l.c.c. gets . that's why the place gets 500" of snow on average. take out the lake affect snow such as this year and it's gonna be tuff reaching the average . 30 more inches we hit 400" for the season- then we'll have something to write about !
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AmyZ":fzjxo3tl said:
Admin, Bobby Danger, Telejon and Mike at Snowbird on Sat.

Nope, that's Germania Pass at Alta.

AmyZ":fzjxo3tl said:
Last lunch 0f the season at GMD on Sat - Admin isn't having any fun

Wait, I'm balding??? :shock:
 
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