Aspen & Highlands, Dec 16 & 17, 2023

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Overall decent.

We were in town for the race chasing calendar. Yes, the races start ever earlier in the season the older you get. In this case for my son's age group all races are held at Aspen Highlands on Goldenhorn/Thunderbowl areas of the lower mtn.

Many of the kids are doing team travel at his new age group so only a few of us parents around. My son will do team travel for a couple races later in the season but not just yet. I was able to mix in free runs with watching race runs and grabbing lunch for what ended up being half the team. Being my first day on skis for the season I hit Cloud Nine once at mid-mountain. Getting a lap there and a second lap on Loge Peak lift to warm up. Both Aspen and Highlands are roughly 70-80% open with the not open areas mostly confined to the steep, non-snowmaking stuff on the lower ~1,500 vertical (exception also being most of the new terrain on the new Hero's lift at Ajax). Conditions were a bit thin as you might expect, but overall not really too bad especially given the warm and low snow start this year. I expect the rocks to get bad at all the Aspen areas over the holidays unless decent new snows begin to appear though.

On my 2nd ride up Loge peak I rode with a patroller and asked about how deep temerity was and he indicated it should be pretty decent. The patroller was interested in doing a lap himself to see current state, so we did a lap down Lucky Find with him leading the way. Very friendly guy who also spends summers assisting with continuing to glade and remove deadfall in that sector during the summer. After that it was a mix of rushing down to the race, another fast groomer lap up top, back to the race, a lap up top with another Deep Temerity run between races, hot lap between 3rd and 4th runs (two consecutive GS races for 4 race runs in one day). Eventually with getting in 2 laps up top with my son after the race, though sticking to the groomers to avoid any possibility of rocks while on his race skis. I figured ~26.4K of Vert on my part.

While some of the other racer boys headed all the way back to the front range after the race, I had made the decision that I wasn't going all that way for a single day and my son and I stuck around for a free ski day on Sunday. Starting the day again at Highlands. My son likes to see and ski new places so again with a warm-up on Cloud Nine followed by 2 laps in Deep Temerity. The first one quite long lasting as his boots were giving him problems and he kept stopping and fiddling. We then took another groomer lap before grabbing a quick early lunch at the mid-Mtn Merry Go Round.

We then headed down and grabbed he excellent and efficient free bus system over to Ajax so that my son could get a chance to see a second new area in one day that he had never skied before. While not exactly crowded there had to be 5x or more the number of people at Aspen. The only lift lines of the whole weekend were 3-5 minutes on the Aspen Gondola and Ajax Express lifts. Otherwise ski on and half or more empty chairs. Highlands felt nearly deserted at times. We hit every upper mtn lift at Ajax at some point, with a couple laps on several. Snow firmer on the groomers and definitely a bit thinner off-piste than Highlands. Quite definitively rockier and not sure if that is pure skier density related, or if actually a bit less snow as well.

The new Hero's lift had basically the old terrain in that area open, but the new stuff almost entirely closed. It looks like stair-step style stuff: steep, flattish, steep, flattish for 3 or 4 steps. So not terrible looking, but not awesome continuous steeps that many of us seek out. The couple of blues they list on the map for the new terrain are 2 roads/traverses and the lower 1/2 of the lift line.

The run down to the base is rarely much fun at Aspen. With a single way down open for the moment the choke 'half-pipe' section followed by the extremely scraped off and icy Little Nell. Snowmaking occurring on other runs down still. We ended right around 3p and shuttled back to our car, departing ~3:30p. About 22K of Vert for the day.

Currently lifts don't open until 9a in the Aspen area (saw a local article saying Snowmass woudl shift to 8:30 starting with holidays coming up). 30mins before open at Highlands...
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Almost nobody at top of Loge Peak
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OK class, who is windshield wipering turns vs carving rails?
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In Lucky Find: I felt he deserves anonymity, but we stopped for him to saw and remove this downed boot snagger (he cut two pieces and moved to dense nearby pile of stuff where no one will be trying to ski).
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Very difficult to see the upper half of the race course. This is actually two courses set: 1st run to far side, 2nd run closer in.
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Inspection time
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Note the manufactured bump line with kickers on the line separating the public side from non-public side
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Some areas still need lots of snow though.
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Highlands Bowl is open. Lots of hikers on Saturday, many fewer on Sunday. The cats are not yet running. Apparently the ridge line is so narrow in spots it needs quite a bit of snow built up to handle the cat effort.
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Deep in Deep Temerity
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Mix of Bones
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And not so much
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Though you may want to avoid sun facing aspects
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Deep Temerity day2
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Still mostly soft in low skied places, a bit firmer in more skied areas
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Entirely firm and chalky in Deception (opposite west side of the Highlands ridge)
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Now in ASssspen
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I'll never understand why so many more people ski Ajax than Highlands
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At the pitch in Walsh's. You can see the building/base of the new Hero's chair center of the image.
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bottom of the lift line
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More 'stairs' up the liftline
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Hero's trail map. I had thought the lift was going to be located further lookers left since Walsh's and lookers right was already skiable just with a traverse out.
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Good overview of Highlands Bowl and Deep Temerity terrain at Highlands
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Bonnies and Ajax lift terrain
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Would they make the same design choice if built today?
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Some very beautiful images in your post! I've skied about 95 places in North America. When people ask me what's my fav, I tell them the Aspen group. Not sure I'd want to live there, but for a short ski visit/vacation it's hard to beat the beauty, variety, and challenge of Highlands, Ajax and Snowmass. The fact that the crowds are moderate is the cherry on top.
 
Quite definitively rockier and not sure if that is pure skier density related, or if actually a bit less snow as well.
At official 11,100 foot snow plots Ajax averages 250 inches and Highlands 257 (Snowmass averages 301). So I'm going to say most of the difference is skier density. That density also explains the overall difference between the Aspen areas and Summit County which gets similar snowfall. That said I think Highlands Bowl gets a lot of blown-in snow. It seems to be open consistently in December despite the low density snow and sustained steep pitch. Perhaps Highlands Bowl would be sketchier with the extra traffic of being lift served. See Kachina Bowl at Taos in contrast with average opening date in early February.
 
Aspen looks halfway decent.

I am always amazed at some of the blow-in you can get in Colorado/mountains. Telluride can have decent coverage on its steep terrain off of Chair 9 (Plunge) and Chair 12 (Prospect Bowl) with about a 30" base.

Not sure where they measure snow at Aspen, but Highlands always reports more.

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Also, not sure why they did not cut a legitimate advanced intermediate trail off of Hero's to take some pressure off of the Ajax lift. The terrain does not look too steep. Put a winch cat on a trail to looker's left of chair and it would be super popular.

There has been a recent ethos in new Colorado terrain not to cut trees and keep things natural. I think this is really awful and you wind up with terrain the vast majority cannot use. Give me a Riva Ridge or Prima (Vail) any day! Or Plunge at Telluride!

No one really likes the newer Pioneer Ridge at Steamboat, New Vail Backbowls, or parts of Telluride's Prospect Bowl.....now add Aspen's Hero's to make this mess. Look at Cooper's expansion - glades so dense no one can ski them! Give a big wide-open run to the 80% of skiers who will use it - and leave the rest more natural.


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Some very beautiful images in your post! I've skied about 95 places in North America. When people ask me what's my fav, I tell them the Aspen group. Not sure I'd want to live there, but for a short ski visit/vacation it's hard to beat the beauty, variety, and challenge of Highlands, Ajax and Snowmass. The fact that the crowds are moderate is the cherry on top.

Aspen has done a great job integrating its mountains via public transportation and keeping them distinct personality-wise.

I really like the Cirque/Hanging Valley areas of Snowmass - and I think they rank up there with Telluride, Crested Butte, and Breckenridge for steep high alpine areas.

Not sure why Park City could not do this. But Deer Valley always needed to be different and more elite.
 
Cirque/Hanging Valley areas of Snowmass ...... Telluride, Crested Butte, and Breckenridge for steep high alpine areas.
Yes but none of those measure up to Whistler, Crystal, Palisades, Mammoth, Jackson and LCC for lift served high alpine. Only the hike-to areas of Highlands Bowl and Palmyra do IMHO.
 
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At official 11,100 foot snow plots Ajax averages 250 inches and Highlands 257 (Snowmass averages 301). So I'm going to say most of the difference is skier density. That density also explains the overall difference between the Aspen areas and Summit County which gets similar snowfall. That said I think Highlands Bowl gets a lot of blown-in snow. It seems to be open consistently in December despite the low density snow and sustained steep pitch. Perhaps Highlands Bowl would be sketchier with the extra traffic of being lift served. See Kachina Bowl at Taos in contrast with average opening date in early February.
Perhaps a naive question - sorry if it is - but would they winch cat groom the bowl to compact and stabilize the base?
 
Perhaps a naive question - sorry if it is - but would they winch cat groom the bowl to compact and stabilize the base?
In November Highlands Bowl is bootpacked by local skiers who get a free ski day for every day of bootpacking. There's no question that a sustained steep alpine bowl like that in Colorado's continental snowpack would be much more dangerous without that early season stabilization.
 
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In November Highlands Bowl is bootpacked by local skiers who get a free ski day for every day of bootpacking. There's no question that a sustained steep alpine bowl like that in Colorado's continental snowpack would be much more dangerous without that early season stabilization.
Wow. How is that even done? It's pretty steep. Are we talking compacting it with boots connected to skis? I can't imagine trying be in that bowl without 170cm or thereabouts of ski edge. Regardless I've learned something new today.
 
Nothing like this will ever happen in the U.S.; however, it's fun to dream about the possibilities. I'm a rail geek; still, even when in train heaven (Europe), 18 out of my 20 ski trips there were via rental car.
 
I'm a rail geek; still, even when in train heaven (Europe), 18 out of my 20 ski trips there were via rental car.
So many reasons that this will likely never happen in the US. Even if you had a rail line it wouldn't go to the actual resorts. So you would have to transfer to buses or something anyway.

The exception is Winter Park with literal rail line at the base lodge. And even then with a rail line from the largest city in Colo directly to the base lodge, they couldn't generate enough business at times and the ski train to WP shut down for several years. It is now running again on weekends though.
 
James' reference is an interesting read. The essential point about the US railroad industry is not that it's bad; it's very good for freight, which not surprisingly calls the shots. So that Denver - Winter Park train is slow and infrequent because freight has priority.

That article has parallels here in SoCal. Freight may be part of the reason that Adam's trips up here by train for Dodger games are relatively slow too. Almost all of the SoCal light rail lines are on abandoned rail right of way sections from 100+ years ago. Most of that light rail is at grade level, which tends to slow travel time. The obvious high density subway route under Wilshire Blvd. should have been built 100 years ago when labor was cheap and NIMBY/environmental lawsuits nonexistent. The Wilshire subway is finally targeted before the 2028 Olympics: 9 miles for $8.2 billion.
 
should have been built 100 years ago when labor was cheap and NIMBY/environmental lawsuits nonexistent
True; but today in London or etc... subway and rail building costs only a fraction of the US per mile even in today's environment.
 
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