Big Bear, Dec. 23, 2022

Tony Crocker

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We had a nice day though it didn't start well being relegated to the far end of the remote and muddy Sandalwood parking lot, resulting in getting on the moutain half an hour later than from the on site parking. Getting paid parking at the hill used to be a matter of getting there early enough. Now it requires an advance paid reservation. This procedure is in effect Dec. 16 - Jan. 8 and Friday-Sunday the rest of the season. View of Snow Summit from Sandalwood
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We got on the first Sandalwood bus available which took us to Bear Mt. arriving 9:15. This was early enough from a skiing perspective. The Goldmine lift did not have much of a line until our third and last ride on it. We moved to Silver Mt. for three runs, then to Bear Peak for four.

Temperatures soon reached the mid-40s and there was no wind though some had been predicted. While nearly all the snow was manmade, surfaces were close to packed powder with no frozen granular at all. This was particularly evident on Geronimo. Usually we ski Summit morning and Bear afternoon, so Geronimo's lower pitch in particular can be quite firm in mid afternoon. But it was very nice at 11AM. Liz on upper pitch with Big Bear Lake in background:
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Lower pitch with dry Baldwin Lake in background:
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I'm on lower pitch here.
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View of San Gorgonio from Bear Peak:
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We took the 12:15 shuttle to Snow Summit, skied a couple of top to bottom runs during the lunch lull, then spent the next two hours mostly on chairs 6, 7, and10. Liz sking one of the chair 10 runs:
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There were more spring conditions in flatter and sunnier areas at Summit, and a few more firm spots scraped down. Most of that is afternoon vs. morning. Maybe today was warmer than earlier days this week, but Big Bear's grooming is intensive and that includes mitigating morning hardpack.

We skied 11,000 vertical at Bear and 11,500 at Summit. The base areas and beginner lifts and runs at both areas were very busy, but the lifts we used for 3/4 of our skiing had no lines. The base of Summit has this new statue of Dick Kun.
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Dick Kun owned and operated Snow Summit starting in 1965. Snow Summit achieved its dominant position in SoCal skiing after building a snowmaking pipe into the lake in 1979 and bought out its neighbor Bear Mt. in 2002. Kun sold both areas to Mammoth in 2014 for $38 million.

We got in line for the Sandalwood bus at 3:35 and to our car in about 20 minutes. I knew going home through Running Springs and Hwy 330 would be a traffic nightmare, so we drove out the back way and had a good Thai dinner in Redlands. Big Bear is a full day commitment for us: we left home 6:30AM and got home 8:15PM. Garry does some shorter days as he lives 45 minutes closer to both Big Bear and Mt. High.

I get free skiing at Mt. High this year as I turned 70, but I still may not get there this season. We have had consistent cold nights through much of November/December, allowing Big Bear to get 78% open with its world class snowmaking. As far as storms are concerned Mt. High has had two totaling all of 9 inches snow but also 4 days of rain. With its limited water supply, there's no way Mt. High will attempt to open East without significant natural snow and they are probably struggling to maintain the 39% of West now open through the warm holiday period.
 
Is there any reference to Mammoth at Bear/Summit, or is it mostly just in the background as owners of those ski areas?
 
Nice report and photos. Looks like a good day of early season skiing.

From 1964-66 my family lived in Long Beach, CA while my dad was in the Navy. My three older siblings went on a couple of Navy sponsored ski trips (for service members and dependents) to the SoCal ski areas. Being the youngest child I was excluded for some reason, even though I was age 11 or so. Later when skiing became a huge part of my recreational life I always regretting not getting a day or two of skiing just to experience those mtns when I lived nearby.
That mtn is impressively big and white!
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Do you have a preference for Snow Summit or Bear Mountain?

How long does the shuttle take between them?
 
Shuttles are 10+ minutes, leave Summit on the hour and half hour, Bear at :15 and :45.

We have a modest preference for Snow Summit: more lifts, more runs, you can move across the upper lifts and avoid coming down to the congested base area. Bear has more vertical, Geromino is 1,100 vertical with two single black pitches, but it's the only run on that chair. Silver Mt. at Bear is 900 vertical one run upper half splitting in two lower half. Steepest chair 6 at Summit is 500 vertical and chair 10 is 760, but both of those have multiple runs.

Lifetime I have 1 million vertical at Summit and 350K at Bear.

In terms of terrain quality, Liz says Big Bear is slightly inferior to Hunter Mt. and and that Mt. High is about the same. I have 630K lifetime vertical at Mt. High.
 
Good pix. I always like the contrast between the snowy mountains and the lower-elevation landscapes in Tony's Southern California ski reports.
 
Views from Baldy are more dramatic (well into the Pacific) than the other SoCal ski areas. At Big Bear the ski areas are of course on the south shore of the lake so the ski slopes are north facing. When you look across the lake, the opposite shore is south facing and only in the biggest years will snow stick over there for any length of time.
 
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That mtn [San Gorgonio, TC] is impressively big and white!
The picture was taken from the top of Bear Peak at 8,800, highest lift in SoCal. San Gorgonio at left in the pic is 11,500. Jepson Peak at 11,200 is behind the cardboard sign. The treed peak at right is Charlton Peak, 10,800. I skied all of those in the early 1980's, and the hike from the 7,700 foot Poopout Hill trailhead was at the limit of my capabilities back then. In 1985 that trailhead was closed, adding 3.5 miles each way and precluding any further attempts on that route.

SoCal's best ski terrain was locked up in the original 1964 Wilderness Act. I made one more backcountry ski foray from the higher Fish Creek trailhead in 2011.
 
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