Brighton, UT 04/01/09

jamesdeluxe

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This may have been the best of my four days in SLC. Brighton claimed 11 inches overnight, but it was more like 14-15. I came very close to doing a redirect this morning to head back to Snowbasin, but I had a feeling about Brighton. Actually, I don't think that anywhere would've been a bad choice today.

As at Solitude and Snowbasin, when I arrived at 9, there were about 20 cars in the parking lot. Even in the early afternoon, there were acres and acres of untouched woods... literally everywhere. Although Alta yesterday was hardly a bad experience, the ease of finding untracked at Brighton was almost laughable in comparison. And I know all the negs -- a big flat in the middle, not very steep, snowboarders, blahblahblah. All I can say is: go there on a weekday after a storm and see. (I'm not directing that at the Admin clan as I know that they'll never go there, but for anyone visiting, don't write it off.)

While floating in knee-deep or more on the trails, and through thigh-deep pillows in the woods, all I could remember was Admin the night before shaking his head in disgust while muttering, "James, you disappoint me" and "have you learned nothing from me?" Mention Brighton and he makes a face like he smelled spoiled milk.
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Eventually, I got on a chair with Jeff, a NYC expat, who showed me around for the next two hours:
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There's definitely a younger demographic at Brighton than at the other Cottonwoods ski areas:
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I left at 2 pm to catch my flight home.
 
SoCal Rider":33j9oasv said:
Your choice of Brighton disgusts me too, and I've never been to Utah for skiing.
That's the kind of lemming logic I'm talking about. =;

Here's my question... everyone complains about Brighton's big flat in the middle of the mountain, but don't 90% of all decent-sized ski areas have one? Off the top of my head, the only places I can remember that don't have really bad flats are Crested Butte, Copper, Whiteface, Sugarloaf... any others?

Mr. FTO's mantra is quality rather than quantity -- he'd rather traverse or hike for 15 great turns, rather than get piles of merely OK ones -- so someone explain the Brighton hate given what I skied yesterday and how easy it was to find clean snow.
 
I think this analogy sums up the way James thinks.... You go to a bar to meet girls . Standing at the bar is a LA 10 (ALTA/BIRD). Every guy in the place is hitting on this girl . A few stools down sits a NY 8 ( Brighton/Sol). You stand a greater chance of getting lucky ( untracked/no pressure) with the NY8 . I don't know about you, but I'm going with the sure thing. Let everyone else fight over the beauty queen...Just remember, their both pretty hot..

Just my thoughts...
 
jasoncapecod":24osbh2v said:
You go to a bar to meet girls . Standing at the bar is a LA 10 (ALTA/BIRD). Every guy in the place is hitting on this girl . A few stools down sits a NY 8 ( Brighton/Sol). You stand a greater chance of getting lucky (untracked/no pressure) with the NY8 . I don't know about you, but I'm going with the sure thing. Let everyone else fight over the beauty queen.
This is why we pay Jason the big money. :)
 
jasoncapecod":28r5zenm said:
I think this analogy sums up the way James thinks.... You go to a bar to meet girls . Standing at the bar is a LA 10 (ALTA/BIRD). Every guy in the place is hitting on this girl . A few stools down sits a NY 8 ( Brighton/Sol). You stand a greater chance of getting lucky ( untracked/no pressure) with the NY8 . I don't know about you, but I'm going with the sure thing. Let everyone else fight over the beauty queen...Just remember, their both pretty hot..

Just my thoughts...

LA 10 or NY 8...I prefer Miss Vermont.


jamesdeluxe":28r5zenm said:
Off the top of my head, the only places I can remember that don't have really bad flats are Crested Butte, Copper, Whiteface, Sugarloaf... any others?

MRG, Stowe, Ste-Anne (flat runout at the bottom like Wf and SL), Wildcat...
 
Patrick":2x4su4of said:
MRG, Stowe, Ste-Anne (flat runout at the bottom like Wf and SL), Wildcat...
Alright... let me rephrase the question, "which decent-sized ski areas OUT WEST don't have a flat saddle?" :lol: It seems to be part of the tradeoff for a skiing mountains with a lot more acreage than what we have in the east.
 
jamesdeluxe":af74urse said:
(I'm not directing that at the Admin clan as I know that they'll never go there, but for anyone visiting, don't write it off.)
It's quite simple, really. You're visiting and need to buy day tickets where ever you go, so it doesn't matter to you - follow your preferences (steeps, untracked, lack of crowds, whatever). But us locals all have Alta or AltaBird season passes.
 
jamesdeluxe":1rjhvbec said:
SoCal Rider":1rjhvbec said:
Your choice of Brighton disgusts me too, and I've never been to Utah for skiing.
That's the kind of lemming logic I'm talking about. =;

Here's my question... everyone complains about Brighton's big flat in the middle of the mountain, but don't 90% of all decent-sized ski areas have one? Off the top of my head, the only places I can remember that don't have really bad flats are Crested Butte, Copper, Whiteface, Sugarloaf... any others?

Mr. FTO's mantra is quality rather than quantity -- he'd rather traverse or hike for 15 great turns, rather than get piles of merely OK ones -- so someone explain the Brighton hate given what I skied yesterday and how easy it was to find clean snow.


Ha. I'm stuck out here in crappy SoCal with around three legit powder days on the season. Admin would probably consider most of our hills one big flat spot. I'd give anything - well, almost - to have a UT trip like yours this season.
 
We all know (and I'm inclined to agree) why James didn't go to AltaBird this day. The real question is why he didn't go back to Snowbasin or Solitude, which have the same lack of competition with better terrain.

Could have been variety; he doesn't live out there and wanted to check a new place out. Patrick and I are usually swayed by this consideration.

The other rationale is the one I used in 2007, unfortunately without powder. Brighton works well for getting a lot of vertical on a shortened getaway day. At Solitude you still have a lot of slow lifts accessing key terrain, and at Snowbasin James would have had to leave earlier to make his flight.

us locals all have Alta or AltaBird season passes.
I love Altabird as much as anyone (82 out of my 116 lifetime Utah ski days), but if I lived in Utah I'd be tempted to go for the Utah Silver (30 days at each Utah area for ~$500 more than the Altabird pass I think). If the extra premium is too much or the 30 at Snowbird not enough, then I'd pay up by the day like BobbyD for the no-competition untracked.

Alright... let me rephrase the question, "which decent-sized ski areas OUT WEST don't have a flat saddle?"
Sun Valley is the most obvious answer to that question. Mt. Bachelor, Kicking Horse, Blackcomb, Revelstoke all have consistent fall lines of 3,000+. Snowbasin and Castle Mt. not quite as long (still well over 2,000) but more attractive to the powder-centric.

I think the real question is limited continuous vertical fall lines. Baldy's 2,100 is not continuous, but both Thunder and Chair 1 have consistent fall lines close to 1,000 that will give anyone a good work out. The individual topography of each mountain has a subjective influence upon the skier. Are the flat sections long, congested and annoying (Breckenridge, Heavenly)? Or when you hit the end of a good fall line, is there a chair waiting to take you to another one (Vail, Mammoth)?
 
Tony Crocker":mib0pj50 said:
I love Altabird as much as anyone (82 out of my 116 lifetime Utah ski days), but if I lived in Utah I'd be tempted to go for the Utah Silver (30 days at each Utah area for ~$500 more than the Altabird pass I think). If the extra premium is too much or the 30 at Snowbird not enough, then I'd pay up by the day like BobbyD for the no-competition untracked.

For 52 dollars or whatever it costs to ski Solitude/Snowbasin I see no reason not to with comparable snowfall on busy days if someone can afford to pay for the day ticket. I'm with Tony here, but I'm used to not competing for snow in VT so I'm a bit biased I guess.
 
jasoncapecod":3jmdx242 said:
I think this analogy sums up the way James thinks.... You go to a bar to meet girls . Standing at the bar is a LA 10 (ALTA/BIRD). Every guy in the place is hitting on this girl . A few stools down sits a NY 8 ( Brighton/Sol). You stand a greater chance of getting lucky ( untracked/no pressure) with the NY8 . I don't know about you, but I'm going with the sure thing. Let everyone else fight over the beauty queen...Just remember, their both pretty hot..

Just my thoughts...

I would get them both... at the same time!!! That's right! :wink: :lol: :lol: \:D/
 
Tony Crocker":pywkwk4c said:
Alright... let me rephrase the question, "which decent-sized ski areas OUT WEST don't have a flat saddle?"
Sun Valley is the most obvious answer to that question. Mt. Bachelor, Kicking Horse, Blackcomb, Revelstoke all have consistent fall lines of 3,000+. Snowbasin and Castle Mt. not quite as long (still well over 2,000) but more attractive to the powder-centric.

Tony beat me to the punch...here is my non-Eastern no flat/saddle places: Blackcomb, Lake Louise, Norquay, Arcs 2000, Val d'Isère (Bellevarde face), Grand Montets, Snow King... :-k
 
Tony Crocker":25qiy0xi said:
at Snowbasin James would have had to leave earlier to make his flight.

That has always been my assumption as well. However, skiing Snowbasin on the last day of my most recent trip to SLC may have changed my mind about that. On 3/9/09 it took us 50 minutes at morning "rush hour" to get to Snowbasin from our cheap hotel just off the freeway in Midvale. At the end of the day, it did take us an hour to get from the Snowbasin parking lot to the rental car return at the airport, but that was slow white-knuckle driving through a hammering snowstorm that extended all the way down to the valley floor. I'm thinking it should be more like 45 minutes, which is about five minutes longer than it has generally taken me to get from the LCC or BCC resorts to the airport when it is not too close to the closing bell.
 
flyover":113ukkfy said:
On 3/9/09 it took us 50 minutes at morning "rush hour" to get to Snowbasin from our cheap hotel just off the freeway in Midvale.
That's 'cause the majority of that route is against traffic.
 
I knew in advance that going to Brighton would actually take longer than Snowbasin because the 4x4/chains sign would be flashing and I'd have to leave my rental car at the BCC parking lot, so saving time was actually not a consideration.

When I skied there two years ago in early December, I made a mental note: "lots of snow" + "lots of trees" + "lots of high-speed lifts" + "no one there on weekdays." I'll always take easy first tracks over gnar, but I guess I'm a minority opinion in that I don't think the terrain there completely sucks. I also liked skiing off the Millicent chair, which doesn't correspond to Brighton's "East Coast area on steroids" reputation.

I think Jason's analogy is spot on... another example of the law of contrary public opinion -- when everyone says one thing, bet the other way.
 
jamesdeluxe":114x9ekl said:
I think Jason's analogy is spot on... another example of the law of contrary public opinion -- when everyone says one thing, bet the other way.

That sounds strangely like that thread elsewhere a while back about "Girls who find hot, but no one else does". :lol:
 
jamesdeluxe":1bgwufps said:
I'll always take easy first tracks over gnar, but I guess I'm a minority opinion in that I don't think the terrain there completely sucks.
It doesn't completely suck. It's just that in comparison to the other 3 Cottonwood Canyons areas, it pales quite a bit. This is Admin's point that you're missing.

jamesdeluxe":1bgwufps said:
I also liked skiing off the Millicent chair, which doesn't correspond to Brighton's "East Coast area on steroids" reputation.
That is something that those of us who don't particularly care for Brighton have always said and agreed with, even Admin, on this forum and elsewhere.
 
here is my non-Eastern no flat/saddle places: Blackcomb, Lake Louise, Norquay, Arcs 2000, Val d'Isère (Bellevarde face), Grand Montets, Snow King.
I don't think we should be counting the under 2,000 places like Norquay and Snow King on a list like this. After all, a lot of the places with "flat spots" have fall lines bigger than the entire vertical of those places.

Bringing in the Alps has the opposite problem. In any discussion relating to vertical, you're going to get a long list in the Alps of places that blow away 99% of what's over here.

Granite Mt. at Red Mt. is another one with the long and steep fall lines, most of it in the trees for those who prefer that.
 
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