Copper, CO April 23, 2023

EMSC

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Great spring day Colorado style.

Chilly start to the day after several days of snow. The series of storms brought Copper 14" over 3 days with a couple inches overnight. Just as importantly for skiing 3 bears lift (Tucker Mtn), was only able to open for a about 2 hours on Saturday. Too short to get fully tracked up from the bigger snow friday night/sat morning.

So anywhere from 2-14" with many sections and sectors of the full amount. And plenty deep to not hit underlying surface most of the time (occasional hits, and by lunch-ish, a few icy spots on heavily travelled areas could be found. My son and I lapped Tucker for something like a dozen runs. Mostly "Fremont 1.5 and 5" but those are old run references as with the chairlift Copper stupidly renamed the entire mountain's runs 20+ years after the original names had long since been ingrained.

Anyway it was quite chilly early (I even wore a neck gator for the first 3 hours). Some cloudiness early that gave way to very sunny skies and warming temps. The sun is so strong now that only the most Northerly faces didn't at least turn to cream cheese softness by late afternoon. Altitude and air temp didn't seem to matter as much as I would have expected. So by afternoon old snow softened, new snow turned to cream cheese softness, occasional N or tree shading meant winter snow softness. Very nice skiing all around. Base of Copper really only hit upper 30's F. I ditched the gator, but was comfortable and not hot with all my normal gear on. So warmish, but not really all that warm.

After a quick stop at the base for a few minutes of DJ thump, thump music we headed back to the car ~3:30p.

Any guesses what this is?
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Tucker mtn, Jacque Peak and Union bowl from top of Lillie G
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Series of Tucker pics
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Just over the ridgeline on the left side is Breck...
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Lots of chairs all over the mtn with people on them, but the only lift line wait of more than 5 chairs was occasionally on 3 Bears for Tucker mtn...
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Base of this years half pipe. It's not wood or metal like Euro-land resorts :)
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First picture question answered: You can see the new mid-mtn lodge that apparently is nearly finished inside, but not outside... It's only been many years since they started (at lest 4-5) Due to a perfectly timed bathroom break, I was the literal last customer at the old mid-mtn lodge. They were practically giving away the remaining candy and drinks and I was their final transaction ever at 3p.
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For DJ's they were doing a decent job of mixing thump, thump with music.
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This week had plenty of cars from out of state as usual. Unfortunately due to both busy traffic and road work (clearly important as near Loveland ski area they had it down to 1 lane and were actively working on a Sunday afternoon. The out of state winners were: California, Texas and interestingly Ohio as to volume of out of state plates. Special mention to chihuahua Mexico plate this week. With the following states noted on I70 headed to Denver:
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I woke up to five inches in Aurora Saturday morning after playing golf at City Park until dusk on Friday. I figured that skiing would be good this weekend.
 
I figured that skiing would be good this weekend.
Might have to give you two demerits for not bringing ski stuff to an April Denver trip!

Probably 80-90% of Aprils have good snow at the front range resorts; and you could have even avoided the big price/name resorts by hitting Loveland.
 
I know but even Loveland ain't cheap, $100+, and Cooper is closed. Moreover, I had too many meetings with family and friends. Golf is way more convenient, less expensive, and I don't have to deal with I-70.
 
When/where was the old mid-mtn lodge built? I can't seem to remember it from my days working there in 97/98... (or visiting in 2014). I'm sure I'm just getting old and drawing a blank.
 
Might have to give you two demerits for not bringing ski stuff to an April Denver trip!

Probably 80-90% of Aprils have good snow at the front range resorts; and you could have even avoided the big price/name resorts by hitting Loveland.
+1 April is nearly optimal for Summit County: max coverage, often new snow and the excessive crowds are gone.
 
For posterity: I don't have an Ikon or Epic pass. When I had a Loveland pass two years ago, I happily skied at Loveland, Cooper, and Monarch during the first ten days of April. Now I don't have a Loveland pass and out of principle I'm not paying window prices.

The first four minutes of this informative video did a nice job explaining it. :eusa-hand:
 
I thought James hated that video.

We skied 6 days in late April and early May at Winter Park, Loveland and A-Basin in 2015. I recall mostly using Liftopia for tickets, averaging maybe $75. The Liftopia website still exists but all of its Colorado options say "Ticket Deal Out of Stock." I know Liftopia went bankrupt in 2020, but I have no idea how functional it may be now. But Alterra did not exist in 2015, so I suspect Liftopia is much less useful. Another good source of discount tickets that has generally gone the way of the dodo bird is the ski shop discounts in Utah.
 
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I thought James hated that video.
(...) I recall mostly using Liftopia for tickets, averaging maybe $75.
I was partially joking about the video. It's aimed at people who've never been to the Alps and the pricing section was for the most part accurate.

As you're aware, for someone without a) one of the two major pass products or b) a lot of discretionary income, one's options in North America are very limited, especially late season. Even with dynamic pricing on ski-area websites, you're still looking at a big chunk of change, even when booking weeks in advance.
 
Even with dynamic pricing on ski-area websites, you're still looking at a big chunk of change, even when booking weeks in advance.
Copper is showing $74 for this coming weekend, $59 for weekdays. Abasin is much more expensive at $129/$119 on weekends and as low as $79 on some mid-week days for the next week or two... Winter Park at $107 for this coming weekend, then less. I haven't looked in a while so no idea if prices were cheaper than that if you bought say more than 2 weeks in advance. Though this time of year it can (usually) be good, you never know until a few days in advance.

Coppers pricing seems the most logical to me. It's late in the year; driving OK volumes trumps max possible price point IMHO in a shoulder season. eg 1000 people at $75 is much better than 500 at $100+. Either way you are not maxing your lift/lunch/parking capacity in any way, but higher volume will certainly be more profitable.
 
Good research by EMSC, I was too busy to do that. Bottom line is that James should ski Front Range if in Colorado in April, especially if not confined to weekends. Even one weekend day at Copper would surely be worthwhile.
 
I checked one week beforehand -- lift tix at Loveland were $110 and Copper $129. Of course, I could've kept going back hoping they were going to decrease but it was easier to book teetimes to play golf twice with family and friends ($20 and $25 weekday greens fees respectively) no more than 20 minutes of where I was staying, and not schlep ski equipment in both directions. I also had no idea about the incoming storm.

You're using 20/20 hindsight. Let it go. :eusa-snooty:
 
You're using 20/20 hindsight. Let it go. :eusa-snooty:
This is a topic worth exploring for general interest due to:
1) Front Range Colorado's relative attractiveness in April
2) The changing landscape of ticket pricing

It was fairly obvious that my experience from 2015 has deceasing relevance as years pass. But EMSC's review of current pricing is still useful. It seems that late season pricing is not too bad midweek but weekend pricing won't decline until last minute if at all. Since James' trip was mainly on the weekend, his decision was quite logical. But maybe next time he can arrange a few midweek days.

I've been observing Baldy's dynamic pricing online since the late February storms. Weekend pricing is high on short notice, and Baldy is an area where it's problematic to book too far ahead. Fortunately they must think Baldy's terrain/conditions are too much for us old folks, because senior prices are quite reasonable, even on short notice.:D
 
1) Front Range Colorado's relative attractiveness in April
This was never under dispute.

2) The changing landscape of ticket pricing
This is the deciding issue and it gets more challenging in the late season as the very few remaining independent ski areas close due to lack of revenue rather than lack of snow. If I'd had an Ikon Pass, I would've brought my equipment and gone skiing for several days at Copper and WP.

Sorry to beat this dead horse, but without the Alps format -- a) region- or country-spanning season passes with dozens of participating ski areas along with b) reasonable window pricing -- someone like me has to make hard choices and the choice for my recent visit was golf. As you said:
the window price disparity vs. North America, which has been growing steadily over the past decade. If you're a variety junkie like Liz and I are, it's nice to be able to decide where to ski on a day-to-day basis without being price gouged.
 
One of Harv's crew had a good day at Copper.
Didn't add too much detail of where he was skiing that made it OK, but he is a week late. Copper extended their season by two weeks, but that also means that a lot of staff were scheduled to depart after the April 23 weekend, thus a lot of terrain that closed after last weekend. Similar story for Winter Park that shut down the Winter Park side and is now just Mary Jane side.

Copper is a nice place, but agree with him that only a few short pitches there provide good beyond diamond steeps and sounds like he didn't find the few that remained open (eg Patrol Chute in Spaulding bowl for example, but then a long traverse out since resolution is closed).

I see he also did A-Basin Saturday, for whom this is prime time of year still. Exception is Steep Gullies and a small portion of Beavers terrain already closed (Not entirely sure why anything is closed there yet). I was at the Basin yesterday with my son. Solid spring ski day after ~11a once we didn't have to worry about refrozen off the groomers. Though some sectors softened 30-45 minutes earlier than that and a few spots remained firm-ish but chalky like East Wall.
 
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