Crystal Mountain, WA - 11/25/2006

claurel

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I've been lurking on First Tracks for a while, but this is my first time posting . . . I figured I should report on the great conditions we've been having here in the Pacific Northwest the past few days. I was at Crystal last weekend when anything that hadn't been groomed was tough rain crust. That crust was nowhere to be found today; over five feet of snow has fallen over the past week and there was nothing but light, silky, bottomless powder. It was close to Utah grade snow--temps have been cold by Northwest standards, so none of that Cascade Concrete today. I've been skiing and boarding in Washington for seven years, and this is the best I've seen it in November. The only sign that it was still early season was the rocky traverse from the top the High Campbell lift--it takes a few dumps of heavy, sticky snow to really cover that windswept ridge. The crowds were out, but not as bad as I was expecting considering the great conditions and the fact that it's a holiday weekend. The South Backcountry area was opened for the first time today. I only had a chance to do one run back there, and it's far from tracked out--the cold temperatures are expected to continue, so the snow should be good for several more days.

--Chris
 

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claurel":17hdqcqz said:
I've been lurking on First Tracks for a while, but this is my first time posting

I for one am glad you did -- that shot of Rainier is spectacular!! Keep those reports coming.
 
I'm surprised I haven't had a gloating e-mail from Larry Schick yet. Crystal's South Backcountry was his home away from home last season.

I did make the call before I left for the Caribbean Nov. 18 that the Northwest would have far and away the best skiing (and the only skiing worth getting on an airplane IMHO) in the near term.
 
Tony Crocker":3vawbfld said:
I'm surprised I haven't had a gloating e-mail from Larry Schick yet. Crystal's South Backcountry was his home away from home last season.

I did make the call before I left for the Caribbean Nov. 18 that the Northwest would have far and away the best skiing (and the only skiing worth getting on an airplane IMHO) in the near term.

Even though there's just a mild El Niño this year, I wasn't expecting to see any worthwhile snow all in the Northwest this year. Is it a frequent pattern for an El Niño year to have strong start in November for the PNW, followed by a wet but warmish midseason?

I should have mentioned in my report that North Backcountry was closed, but that was presumably due to avy danger rather than lack of snow.

--Chris
 
Please refer to my El Nino page .

El Nino is not a promise, it's a bias in the weather that has very little predictive value in the short term. Over the course of an entire ski season the effects are likely (but still not certain) to show up sometime but we don't know precisely when.

With regard to the Pacific Northwest the negative impact is usually not drought but warm temperatures and higher than normal rain/snow line. Thus locations such as the Whistler Alpine and Mt. Bachelor do not show reduced snowfall. There is a mild tendency for the expected El Nino effects to be stronger from February onward than earlier in the season, at least here in California.

The areas with drought tendency during El Nino are Northern Rockies regions such as Montana and Alberta. Yet at the moment Sunshine VIllage is enjoying record early openings of Delirium Dive and Goat's Eye. This is as good an illustration as any that El Nino effects should be viewed as probabilities and not certainties. And Mammoth has had a grand total of 6 inches of snow this November.
 
You are letting eveyone know how great Crystal really is!


I like the snow report from Baker today - required beacons on the lift-served.

Snow Report
Tue Nov 28, 2006, 6:00am
New Snowfall : 2 in 5 cm
24 hour Snowfall : 12 in 30 cm
Temperature : 7°F -14°C
Weather : Clear
Slope Conditions : Powder & Groomed Powder
Base at Heather Meadows : 125 in 318 cm
Base at Pan Dome : 135 in 343 cm

Other Info
We have DEEP SNOW CONDITIONS at the ski area today with 98 INCHES OF NEW SNOW IN THE PAST 5 DAYS and 144 inches of new snow in this storm cycle!

IF YOU SKI OR RIDE ON THE UNGROOMED TODAY, IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT YOU RIDE OR SKI WITH A PARTNER WHO REMAINS IN VISUAL AND VOICE CONTACT AT ALL TIMES. Also, in order to ride our experts only Chair 6 today, you must have a transceiver, a partner and a shovel with you.
 
Thanks Chris,

I really like your pictures. It's looks very inviting, especially the one after Mt.Rainier.

I was impressed by Mount Rainier last summer, remember seeing Crystal from the top of it from Sunrise.

ChrisC":1hrk9mna said:
I like the snow report from Baker today - required beacons on the lift-served.

:shock: :shock: :shock:
 
Thinking hard about going out to ski Mt Baker and Crystal Dec 8-14th.

Any suggestions on cheap lodging would be awesome. We'll probably stay at the Glacier Lodge at Mt Baker. Don't know anything about Crystal, so if you have any ideas, I would greatly appreciate it.

Great pix. Kee posting.
 
Sharon":1sg8yqms said:
Thinking hard about going out to ski Mt Baker and Crystal Dec 8-14th.

Any suggestions on cheap lodging would be awesome. We'll probably stay at the Glacier Lodge at Mt Baker. Don't know anything about Crystal, so if you have any ideas, I would greatly appreciate it.

The hotels at Crystal are a little rustic - what you find on the webiste is it. Greenwater, WA (small logging outpost/town) has a place or two. Otherwise, you are back in metor Seattle. Despite living in the region a few years, I do not know anyone who stayed overnight since the mountain is only 1.75 hrs from Seattle.

Another kick-ass mountain that gets little buzz is Alpental. 2 main lifts, about 75% expert/25% intermediate, 2200 vert and backcountry. Ask the patrol to give you a tour - it's their job. They will do it to 'certifify' people. A nice map of the backcountry http://www.alpental.com/snow-h.htm The downside is low elevation if the snowline is high.
 
Sharon":2moeqv7d said:
Thinking hard about going out to ski Mt Baker and Crystal Dec 8-14th.

Any suggestions on cheap lodging would be awesome. We'll probably stay at the Glacier Lodge at Mt Baker. Don't know anything about Crystal, so if you have any ideas, I would greatly appreciate it.

The hotels at Crystal are a little rustic - what you find on the website is it. Greenwater, WA (small logging outpost/town) has a place or two. Otherwise, you are back in metro Seattle. Despite living in the region a few years, I do not know anyone who stayed overnight since the mountain is only 1.75 hrs from Seattle.

Another kick-ass mountain that gets little buzz is Alpental. 2 main lifts, about 75% expert/25% intermediate, 2200 vert and backcountry. Ask the patrol to give you a tour - it's their job. They will do it to 'certify' people. A nice map of the backcountry http://www.alpental.com/snow-h.htm The downside is low elevation if the snowline is high.
 
ChrisC":3gwq7brb said:
The hotels at Crystal are a little rustic - what you find on the webiste is it. Greenwater, WA (small logging outpost/town) has a place or two. Otherwise, you are back in metor Seattle. Despite living in the region a few years, I do not know anyone who stayed overnight since the mountain is only 1.75 hrs from Seattle.
This Summer after 2 full days in Seattle we sleeped in Enumclay (King's Inn?) the night before heading to Mt.Rainier (and driving past Crystal Mtn). I believe that might be around 45 minutes to Crystal for there.
 
I would encourage this trip, despite having to commute up the hill. Crystal is big-time skiing; including the controlled North and South Backcountries terrain comparisons to Squaw Valley are not inappropriate. I've only skied there in heavy spring conditions, but your odds of good surfaces are as good now as they will ever be.

There is always some chance of rain messing things up in the NW, but the odds of that are lowest in December/January. Those odds are practically nil at your LCC/BCC alternative, but there is definitely much more snow on the ground in Washington, even after the recent Utah storm.
 
We are going. Booked plane tix this morning Dec 8-13.

We have 4 days to ski, sat-tues

Any suggestions on which one to hit (or not to hit) on saturday and sunday?

If we stay in Seattle friday night, then Crystal will be closer. Maybe Alpental?

Baker on mon and tues?

Any input would be welcome.

Now I gotta find a 4wd rental vehicle.
 
Sharon":1h8taiwb said:
We are going. Booked plane tix this morning Dec 8-13.

We have 4 days to ski, sat-tues

Any suggestions on which one to hit (or not to hit) on saturday and sunday?

If we stay in Seattle friday night, then Crystal will be closer. Maybe Alpental?

Baker on mon and tues?

Any input would be welcome.

Now I gotta find a 4wd rental vehicle.

You'll rarely need a 4wd vehicle to get to any of the Washington ski areas. It doesn't hurt, but the roads will almost always be clear except for the last few miles, and even those last stretches are typically only a problem when it's dumping.

The Crystal mountain express bus that runs and Saturdays and Sundays is a great way to get up to the mountain. It leaves downtown from 7am. The cost is $70, which includes the $53 lift ticket. I usually reserve it a couple days in advance:
http://www.skicrystal.com/1599.html

If I were you, I'd visit Crystal on the Monday and Tuesday. Since it's almost exclusively a local mountain, the crowds are much smaller on the weekdays. In my experience, the crowds at Baker tend to be lighter overall. Even on weekdays and holidays, they're not too bad; I was there the Friday after this Thanksgiving and never had to wait more than two minutes to get on a lift.

Alpental has got some great terrain, but you need to watch the snow levels--the base elevation is only 3200 feet, so it's often sticky at the bottom.

Hopefully, you'll get a couple clear days. Snow covered mountains are always beautiful, but with all their glaciers, I think the Cascades are especially spectacular. Here's a view of Mt. Shuksan from the Baker backcountry:
 

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I'm sure claurel is right. Crystal Monday and Tuesday to avoid local hotshots on the weekend. It's the marquee area for terrain, like Squaw for Tahoe and LCC for Utah. Baker one of the weekend days, as Bellingham's population base is small. Many of the Seattle skiers like my friend Larry Schick are lazy about doing the longer drive to Baker, especially when Crystal is good.

I would also be suspicious of low altitude at Alpental/Snoqualmie. There aren't any recent reports yet here http://www.nwsr.com/reports/skireports.shtml or here http://www.snowboardseattle.com/forums/ ... howforum=3 but there probably will be after this weekend.
 
Tony Crocker":1uoupipb said:
I would also be suspicious of low altitude at Alpental/Snoqualmie. There aren't any recent reports yet here http://www.nwsr.com/reports/skireports.shtml or here http://www.snowboardseattle.com/forums/ ... howforum=3 but there probably will be after this weekend.

The lack of reports is likely just because Alpental doesn't actually open until Dec. 2. It would have been good this week because we were getting snow down in the lowlands.

Although it's primarily devoted to backcountry skiing and boarding, the Turns All Year trip report forum does have a lot of reports relevant for lift-accessed skiing: http://www.turns-all-year.com/skiing_sn ... /index.php
Doesn't look like anyone's made a pre-opening outing to Alpental though, possibly because they've been busy doing avy control.

--Chris
 
You'll rarely need a 4wd vehicle to get to any of the Washington ski areas. It doesn't hurt, but the roads will almost always be clear except for the last few miles, and even those last stretches are typically only a problem when it's dumping.

I do not agree with this statement entirely. It's true that you generally stay low (rain) until climbing the last few miles to any of the resorts. However, there are often chain requirements (which do not apply to 4WD vehicles) when it's dumping. Maybe when snow expectations are 10"+ or so.

You can find out pass reports/restrictions (Stevens, Snoqualmie) and access roads (Mt. Baker Hwy, Crystal Blvd) here. http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/traffic/passes/camera.aspx

As an Easterner, I did not have experience with chains until the NW. I might just rent a 4WD to not worry. But it can be miserable if you have no experience - or no chains with your rental. (Note: I even had to chain up a 4WD once or twice a year). However, look at the forecast and decide.

If I were you, I'd visit Crystal on the Monday and Tuesday. Since it's almost exclusively a local mountain, the crowds are much smaller on the weekdays. In my experience, the crowds at Baker tend to be lighter overall.

I agree. However pre-Christmas, I do not think any of the mountains will be that busy...weekday or weekend. Lonely on weekdays and friendly on weekends. Doubt it would impact the experience too much. But if you want no friends on a powder day at Crystal....

Many of the Seattle skiers like my friend Larry Schick are lazy about doing the longer drive to Baker, especially when Crystal is good.

Seattle skiers are a spoiled bunch. Many north Seattle metro skiers will only go to Stevens, while South metro will only ski Crystal. People get picky. Very few go to Baker @ 2.5 hrs away. Also, I had friends who would not ski until the base gets to 100"+. A little insane.

Alpental has got some great terrain, but you need to watch the snow levels--the base elevation is only 3200 feet, so it's often sticky at the bottom.

I guess Alpental has not even opened yet. Given this (and the lazy/cost-saving attitude of The Summit management), I would avoid it. They probably have not done a lot of control work and are slow to open terrain. Also, the biggest bottleneck in WA state skiing is the Edelweiss chair -- an aging double to the summit. Weekend liftlines were always 15 min. Alpental looks to only be operating on weekends pre-Christmas too.

You might want to check out Stevens instead. It has the best intermediate cruising in the state (Crystal can be too easy/too steep for some people. Baker not long enough). There are some nice expert pockets too - 7th Heaven, Double Diamond and Mill Valley (Backside). Most of this is open. Also, the snow quality is probably the best in the state; there is often a pressure gradient funneling cold air from Eastern WA through the pass keeping the snow cool and dry.

If you have 4 days, you should probably spend 2 at Crystal since the terrain is extensive and worthwhile. Great place! If you wanted to minimize driving, take the other 2 at Baker. Mix in a day at Stevens if you wanted to see more areas.
 
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