Eldora Expansion DEIS

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Eldora's Draft Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS) has been released for comment for 45 days... haven't read it yet but will shortly. Original Master Development Plan proposal had several boundary modifications, several new lifts, etc...

http://www.eldoraeis.com/
 
I know its off topic but I'd like to see a resort open in Estes park again. BTW the comments on the Daily camera article are classic Boulder.
 
I've never been convinced about the viability of Estes park area. Not quite enough skiers in Loveland (the town), nor quite enough snow that low and East of the divide (have to be at least far enough east to be outside RMNP).

I've always been confused why there isn't a ski area up on Cameron Pass outside Ft Collins which has the bigger population. It would be easy access and decent snow up in there. Colo Springs is the other obvious missing resort, but it's just too far east of the divide to make skiing practical except so far up on Pikes Peak that you'd never get permission to open... So instead they have to drive all the way to summit county to ski.
 
Latest Daily Camera Article:

Not so surprisingly the County Commissioners against any expansion. If they can't directly (as individual commissioners) pocket big cash from it, then they are basically anti-growth for anyone anywhere at any time, so not exactly a surprise. There have been significant legal wranglings between the county and Eldora in the past as well, so again not a surprise they would be anti-Eldora anything (they didn't get 100% their way the last couple of times so probably some hard feelings mixed in to boot).

http://www.dailycamera.com/boulder-...y-eldora-should-consider-expansion-within-its
 
Looks like a classic case of the management pissing off the locals, so the locals say FU to the expansion plan so not to reward said management.

One constructive suggestion in there is to build a world class terrain park. That's a key part of the strategy that keeps Big Bear and Mountain High popular in Southern California.
 
Tony Crocker":3ogrhrgg said:
Looks like a classic case of the management pissing off the locals, so the locals say FU to the expansion plan so not to reward said management.

One constructive suggestion in there is to build a world class terrain park. That's a key part of the strategy that keeps Big Bear and Mountain High popular in Southern California.

Yep. The owner is certainly his own biggest liability by a huge factor. In spite of the need (skier visits are up by ~double over the past decade for example), it may well come to pass that he doesn't get anything approved expansion wise based on the way he's going. If so, it'll clearly be his own fault, IMO.

As to your park suggestion, I can't imagine a scenario in which it would happen. The owner hates snowboards/ers. If they didn't help the bottom line enough, he'd probably be the first guy to go the other way and ban them based on the things I've heard.

And interestingly, Eldora announced it's now on the Rocky Mountain Super Pass Plus (copper, WP, steamboat) for 14-15' season. I wonder if they did a straight $$ deal this time around or if it'll be based on visit #'s, or a more complex combination. If it were me I'd structure it with a solid base payment and then some kind of adder(s) if my visits break certain levels or etc...
 
USFS approves the whole expansion plan basically. Surprisingly few negative comments below the article.

Long ways to go on this though since only a part of the expansion and upgrades are actually on USFS land anyway. Boulder County itself will have to approve of a lot of things and last I knew the current commissioners basically HATE the concept of allowing EMR to expand. I suspect that it will be a multi-year fight with EMR suing the county and the county getting some level of changes/requirements/stipulations added to the whole thing by the time all is said and done. That path has been done before between the two parties.

Eldora Mountain Resort's expansion plans get green light from feds
U.S. Forest Service process allows 45 days for objections to be filed
http://www.dailycamera.com/boulder-...ntain-resorts-expansion-gets-green-light-from
 
As "they" say, the lawyers are the only ones that will get rich off this game...

Eldora has filed an appeal with the USFS on the 'approval' process and for ignoring their own rules.

I also find the recent comments by the opposed-to-expansion groups to be mostly disingenuous. I can't imagine any of them ever agreeing to the boundary expansion no matter what talks take place. One of the leaders of one group actually tried to create doubt about Indian artifacts in the area just recently. Of course accidentally only photographing the items after moving and washing them with water, etc... Definitely believable that they weren't planted...not. Funny and desperate stuff for such a minor 88 acre adjustment in a multi-million acre forest that already has huge protected and wilderness areas.

Nimby-ism and attempts to control others via any means necessary are never unexpected in Boulder Colorado area though. You'd think supposedly highly educated people would be better than that, but as Mark Twain once said "I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." It seems to be the extreme opposite with a great many in this county though.

http://www.dailycamera.com/news/ci_29130729/eldora-files-appeal-feds-expansion-decision
 
Highly educated doesn't mean that one is smart or is able to come to a rationale conclusion on issues. Eldora's situation is very unfortunate. The ski area expansion opposition folks are out-of-control because they oppose any and all expansion. There is no compromise at all and they can't be rationalized with.

These folks refuse to acknowledge that our National Forests were not designated exclusively for conservation and one of the many purposes were for them to be playgrounds for outdoor recreation, including winter sports.

They also ignore the fact that ski areas only use 1/10th of one percent of National Forest service acreage. Public land acreage used for skiing is pretty insignificant.

Hypothetically, if we were to DOUBLE the size of all ski areas they would still only use 2/10ths of one percent of all National Forest acreage. That's an incredibly small amount of the total acreage and we all know that there is not enough demand to justify, nor capital available to double the ski area acreage.

When I fly over the Rocky Mountains from Denver to Aspen I'm always amazed at the vast amount of untouched wilderness. There are millions of acres of undeveloped wilderness for as far as you can see. And on thousands of those acres a human being has probably rarely, if ever, been seen.

That's why I find the opposition of the few ski area expansions ludicrous.

Furthermore, they don't acknowledge the economic benefits the ski areas provide to the local communities they operate in.

They don't acknowledge the financial benefit the US Forest Service receives from the fees paid by the ski area for the use of the public land. They fail to realize that those fees that are collected assist with conservation efforts.

Basically, the opposition folks can be best summed up as wackos and unfortunately, the US Forest Service employs too many of them.
 
Tony Crocker":276nst6m said:
Looks like a classic case of the management pissing off the locals, so the locals say FU to the expansion plan so not to reward said management.

One constructive suggestion in there is to build a world class terrain park. That's a key part of the strategy that keeps Big Bear and Mountain High popular in Southern California.

They have hired the right guy to make this happen, the GM from the Big Bear Mountain Resorts. I have known Brent for a long time and he will make goods things happen here.
 
Tom Moriarty":2ngloc9r said:
They have hired the right guy to make this happen, the GM from the Big Bear Mountain Resorts. I have known Brent for a long time and he will make goods things happen here.

I hope so, but I see 2 caveats to that: First the owner has to stay away to not alienate more local folks (not sure if there are many user and interest groups left to further alienate though); second, owner has to give Brent some decent leeway to make it happen. Not convinced both of those will come to full fruition.

Though initial impressions of new GM Brent have been rather positive/hopeful from those who have met him.
 
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