Eldora Master Plan

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Eldora is updating it's Master Development Plan. There is a web form to comment at http://www.eldora.com/mountain.comment.html

They are also having a series of public meetings. One of which was today in Ned. Next one is at the Boulder Library Tues Feb 10th (tomorrow) 4-8pm, and final one is up at the base lodge of the ski area on Feb 16th (if I recall correctly). I'm hoping to go tomorrow. Should be interesting since I know much of the team up there, though not the new GM.

I have to wonder how much these public input meetings are required and how much the new GM is influencing the details of the process Eldora is going through. If I find out any interesting things I'll post 'em up here.
 
I made it to yesterdays meeting and spent ~45 minutes there. Since it was an open forum they apparently had been cycling different groups of folks through at about every 30-45 minutes all afternoon. They had a wildlife biologist, 2 SE group consultants from SE Group's Frisco office (the new GM has worked extensively with them in the past apparently), as well as the top 3 guys from Eldora representing GM, Mtn Ops and Marketing functions.

They were writing down lists of ideas and concerns and had filled out ~ 6 conference board pages of stuff that various members of the public had mentioned. I asked several questions/suggestions and listened for a bit too. Lots of interesting stuff and as expected, to some degree all over the place as to suggestions. Below is a long list of things that already have been implemented, are likely to happen in the short term since it doesn't require forest service approval, and some of the bigger options on the board for Eldora.

Already done this year:
* I'm surprised I didn't hear about it, but Eldora put in a new snowmaking water pond - behind the begginner area. Thus they have made snow for the first time on all cut trails on the mountain that have snowmaking pipe (they used to run out of water with several trails left to go).
* Not only do they have the water rights for the new pond, but they have additional water rights to expand retention ponds further at some point in the future. This jive's with the rumor from 2 seasons ago that Eldora had spent ~$1M on additional water rights.
* Finally some maintenance done on the bathrooms which were decrepit stink holes that didn't even have hardware to lock the door on the sit down toilets in most of them

Indicated by the GM as likely to happen sooner than later (next year or two):
* further renovation of the toilets (glove baskets, etc...)
* interior renovation of Lookout lodge at the top of Corona (see future master plan below as well)
* Increase snowmaking firepower/uphill pumping capacity. Eldora's base area and beginner area as well as lower half of the front side trails are on private property so things like adding some pumps or an extra 'straw' to the snowmaking reservoirs are easier and faster to accomplish.

Some of the all over the place suggestions and/or ideas the area already has for the Master Plan - esp involving forest land - remember some of these were random audience wish list ideas:

Lifts:
* refurbish/upgrade ho-hum beginner area (suggested by Eldora, so I would guess likely to happen).
* replace front side upper mtn lifts with HSQ
* replace Corona with HSQ
* add a more wind sheltered lift to the left of current front side lifts (see attached pic/map)
* Add a '4 o'clock' lift and 1 or two lifts on the back side that drop off at mid-mtn but go lower into the drainage on the back side. These lifts would be able to run in wind providing maybe 1200 or 1400 verts of skiing instead of beginner only skiing on windy days. Additionally these would expand Eldora's vertical to 2,000'. (serious consideration of these lifts underway by the area already, since I've heard of this option for a couple of years now). Would require a 'minor' permit boundary expansion.
* add a lift down the south side into jenny creek drainage - several issues with this; major special use permit expansion, south facing so melt out much quicker. However, good consistent vertical there.

Trails:
* Obviously additional trails required for a number of the lifts mentioned above
* more glading in placer glade
* glading or even 1-2 cat width 'braided' trails between corona and muleshoe
* glading between corona and salto
* expanding Moose glade all the way to the permit boundary - which is over/past the current ridgeline boundary used today.

Other:
* snowmaking added to any new formal cut trails.
* major expansion/upgrade to Lookout lodge at top of Corona
* possible additional upper mtn lodge for food/bathrooms in between top of front side lifts and IP lift
* better access from begginer area to main area (currently a slightly uphill slog)
* wind turbines to power the place!
* I forget a lot of it right now, but a lot of other random stuff

It was interesting, informative and I found the new GM (first time I've met him) to be a solid guy. I asked and am told that the timeline is end of March to submit a formal proposal to the Roosevelt National Forest for the new Master Plan. I know that the Eldo mgmt historically has concerns about the Roosevelt team since Eldora is the only ski area in Roosevelt and the forest service guys simply aren't up to speed on the issues, processes and management of ski areas the way that other forest service offices are in Colo. Not a 'they're bad guys thing', but that they simply don't have the experience or nuances of ski area workings and development. Should be interesting. Sounds like by March it'll be into the NEPA process. Good luck Eldo mgmt team.



Notes on the map (some suggested by Eldo, some by the audience):
* orange lines are suggested lifts or replacements, with the dashed orange line the suggested expansion of the permit boundary for proposed mid-mtn backside lifts.
* blue squiggles are suggested runs or glading
* red circles - top of the mtn suggested upper mtn lodges/expansion

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ski-the-face":ivmr2u3m said:
does eldora get crowded? hows the skier density?

Not overly crowded. There are usually only a few Saturdays a year where the line gets over ~5minutes and only on a couple of lifts at that. Same trail wise. A couple of over crowded trails, but generally fairly average to low skier density everywhere else on the mtn. That said, when I started skiing Eldora regularly, the visits were ~180K/yr and now they are over 300K/yr. Biggest operational issue from management's perspective is having to shut the entire upper mtn&backside down frequently due to wind. Thus the proposal for minor boundary expansion for lower lifts on the 'backside'.
 
Been quite funny watching the Eldo web site on this topic. They have a small banner on the left of the home page that says "The final components of the Plan will be submitted to US Forest Service by the end of <insert month>" Where the <insert month> is updated to reflect the current month. It's been changed from March to April to May to June and now updated to say July. I suppose I could call my contacts to see what the hold up is, but at this point it's more fun to guess and wildly speculate.

My personal wild guess being the owners holding it up, not mgmt or the consultant guys. I'll update if I can once they submit it to the NFS. The other consideration being that many of their plans will also need to involve negotiations with the anti-growth, anti-ski area Boulder County as well, since the whole base area is actually private land and not NFS land. Talk about headaches.
 
This can't be good... Though it is only summer (article below). Also had a chance to talk with mgmt of Eldo and sort of as I guessed it's the owners and consulting firm going back and forth mostly. The key comment was about how they feel they only get one shot to unveil the plan and want it to be just right. Which I guess is a sad statement of things in the ski biz where you don't feel that it's even possible to have any back an forth with the public or NFS at all and must be perfect up front even with a rather long term conceptual plan...

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_15624502
The Boulder County Sheriff's Office has reported that County Road 128 four miles northwest of Nederland was washed out dring heavy rains.

County Road 130 to Eldora is also washed out and impassable.

The National Weather Service said there is no official report of rainfall yet, but radar estimates there were 3 to 4 inches of rain in about two hours.

The storm has moved past Nederland at this point, but the area remains under a flash flood warning until 6:45 p.m., said Jim Kalina, a meteorologist from the National Weather Service.

County road crews are on scene at both roads. Large boulders have also washed up onto the roads.

Jake Adler, a sargent for Nederland Police said during the storm, fire crews were called to at least two businesses in the city after lightning reportedly hit them.

One of the businesses was B&F Mountain Market, at 60 Lakeview Drive. The damage is still being assessed.

Adler said street flooding is subsiding within the city as the rain has stopped.

EDIT: lots and lots of hail too. Something like 6" of hail which makes some interesting pictures... Click on the video on the right...
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=145696&catid=339

Edit#2: sounds like the Eldo ski road itself is OK, but the guardrails are out, etc...
http://www.dailycamera.com/boulder-county-news/ci_15630529?source=rss
 
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