How much terrain would you be willing to trade for snow?

flyover

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As a destination powder skier from flyover land, I'm generally willing to trade some terrain for lower skier density and increased chances of scoring lots of low-stress fresh tracks. For example, on SLC trips I've often chosen Solitude or Powder Mountain over Alta on powder days and have generally been satisfied with my choice.

I'm flying into Spokane on Wednesday and a friend from Seattle will be picking me up. We have four whole ski days: 2/27, 2/28, 3/1 and 3/2. We have decided to play everything by ear so as to stay optimally flexible in pursuit of the best conditions, but we had envisioned choosing between too loops: (1) Red/Whitewater and Schweitzer/49 Degrees North, or (2) Whitefish, Fernie/Castle and Schweitzer. Both of these loops offer access to some fantastic terrain and, given recent snowfall and weather history, are likely to have good overall conditions, but are less likely to enjoy much new snow in the coming days. We skied at Whitewater and Schweitzer last year, but I've never been to Red, Fernie, Castle or Whitefish.

Forecasts right now are showing better chances of at least moderate snow along I-90 and in West-Central Montana throughout the week. These areas have also received more snow the last couple days that the regions we would visit on the loops described above. So I've begun to consider a third option along the lines of: Lost Trail Powder Mountain, Montana Snow Bowl, Ski Discovery and Silver/Lookout Pass. On paper, Lost Trail is particularly appealing as it is snowing there now and it is only opened Thursday - Sunday. I've never skied any of these resorts, but skier density is reputed to be very low at all of them.

I understand that the terrain trade-off from, say . . . Red or Castle to these much smaller (but with respectable verticals) Montana resorts would be significant, but never having been to any of these resorts, it is difficult for me to gauge just how significant.

I realize this all boils down to personal preference, but I'm curious: how much terrain would you trade for increased chances of fresh tracks on a destination trip?

I'd especially like to hear from anyone who has skied all or some of the above-mentioned areas.
 
flyover":trg9r22h said:
I realize this all boils down to personal preference, but I'm curious: how much terrain would you trade for increased chances of fresh tracks on a destination trip?
I'd especially like to hear from anyone who has skied all or some of the above-mentioned areas.
For someone who doesn't live in a place where powder days happen frequently... as long as there are at least 1,000 continuous verts and decent pitch, I'll always go for the fresh tracks.

I skied the Inland Northwest last March, including Lookout Pass (check out this video/obviously not mine) and 49 Degrees North.
 
Castle has the best combination of terrain quality and low skier density that I have seen anywhere. I have not checked weather recently, but Mustang's area (which probably means everything up near the Trans-Canada Hwy) is going to have sustained clear weather for awhile.

I am locked into Fernie Feb. 26 and Mar.1 and Castle Feb. 27-28. The latter days are Thursday/Friday and should have lots of wind deposited snow as Castle gets practically no one midweek. Castle gets some Calgary daytrippers on weekends.

My last day Mar. 2 is free, so I've been thinking maybe someplace new. Lookout is the obvious choice on the way back to Spokane, but Turner Mt. (maybe an hour west of Whitefish) is very obscure even though it has 2,100 vertical.

Montana Snowbowl has great terrain but two key deterrents. It's south facing and steep, so at this time of year you're looking more for a good corn cycle, which is what I got there on Feb. 4, 2012. It also has just 2 slow double lifts and it's quite busy with Missoula locals on the weekend. Both Lookout and Silver are right on I-90, which makes me think they won't be deserted on weekends either. Silver is mostly north facing so will preserve better if it's warm. Most of the ski areas in the region have a lot of sunny exposure and thus depend on the chronic overcast and/or fog to preserve the snow.

I'd like to ski Lost Trail sometime, but it's quite a detour on a Spokane-based itinerary, as is Discovery. Lost Trail gets a lot more snow overall than Discovery, but obviously you're looking for a specific prediction time. Turner is not out of the way at all if you're going to be in either Fernie or Whitefish, which is one reason I'm considering it. Turner is open only Friday-Sunday.
 
flyover":29xsjjxh said:
Lost Trail Powder Mountain, Montana Snow Bowl, Ski Discovery and Silver/Lookout Pass. On paper, Lost Trail is particularly appealing as it is snowing there now and it is only opened Thursday - Sunday. I've never skied any of these resorts, but skier density is reputed to be very low at all of them.

There is no terrain trade-off with Discovery. The backside is a gem. Was just there last Wednesday with excellent conditions. Fresh tracks on double blacks all day. If you can hit it this Thurs. or Fri. you will have a great time, they have been getting snow every day. Stay in Philipsburg, new brewery, nice town. Lost Trail would be fun but much farther from I-90 with less interesting terrain.
 
coldsmoke and Tony:

Thanks. Those are very helpful responses. I also read Tony's TR from 2/4/12, which was very helpful as well. Sounds like it would be best to avoid the Snow Bowl on Saturday. I'm now also intrigued by Turner mountain, which was completely off my radar until this morning. We may end up doing a lot of driving.

Forecasts for this weekend call for some pretty cold temps with brisk winds. Will that keep the masses from Missoula away from the mountains, or are they like the folks around here, who often crowd our mole-hill slopes even with wind chills well below zero?
 
flyover":2t9ip64l said:
Will that keep the masses from Missoula away from the mountains, or are they like the folks around here, who often crowd our mole-hill slopes even with wind chills well below zero?

Hard to say, I've always cherry picked my days at Snowbowl. "Normal" weather Saturdays are pretty busy there as well as mid week powder days compared to Discovery. "Busy" being relative to Montana. Barring hurricane force winds, I would expect Sat. to be busy especially if there is new snow.
 
The weather is moving north to south from Canada to Montana with very little in Idaho. I used snow-forecast.com just because it has detail from every area. it's pure computer model, not as good as a hands-on local like Larry Schick or Joel Gratz. Is there such a ski meteorologist for Montana?

At any rate the snow hits Fernie/Castle Thursday night into Friday with 3-4 inches, then the Montana places Friday and Friday night with 6-8 inches. FYI it's going to be REALLY cold after that storm, highs single digits Fri/Sun and below zero F Saturday in many of these places. That's damn cold for me, though perhaps not for flyover or Montana locals.

I don't know where flyover has skied before, but the difference between 3-4 vs. 6-8 inches would not make me choose snow over terrain. 6-8 is flotation only on intermediate pitch, which makes Snowbowl a bad choice as the subsurface will be melt/frozen after sunny days in the high 20's Wednesday and Thursday. There was no melt/freeze even on south facing at Kicking Horse today, and it sounds like Fernie is similar though I will see for myself tomorrow.

I know Discovery's backside has nice terrain and that powderqueen had a no competition powder day there last season. I do not recall which aspect that terrain has. I have not skied there but looked it up on Google Earth in December along with a bunch of other places. I've seen Lost Trail though not skied it. JSpin found it quite suitable for powder skiing when he lived in the area.

Lost Trail and Discovery are about 100 miles apart if you can drive east from Lost Trail on Hwy 43, probably at least double that if you have to backtrack through Missoula. This would be a consideration for me; if I were detouring that much I'd want to ski both of them.

I'd take 3-4 plus wind loading at Castle over 6-8 at most places. The wind loading is common but not predictable, so I won't know about that until I ski there Thursday.
 
On a ski bums holiday,yesterday at Snowbowl was bluebird knee deep,today Great Divide delivered the very same. Showdown Thursday,Teton Pass Friday.All four areas are firstime visits.Many of you are aware of Snowbowls steeps and trees,but Great Divide slips under the radar.1500 vertical1500 acres15 inches.I give it two skis up!Storm coming, gotta go.
 
lono":dvpjrk53 said:
On a ski bums holiday,yesterday at Snowbowl was bluebird knee deep,today Great Divide delivered the very same. Showdown Thursday,Teton Pass Friday.All four areas are firstime visits.Many of you are aware of Snowbowls steeps and trees,but Great Divide slips under the radar.1500 vertical1500 acres15 inches.I give it two skis up!Storm coming, gotta go.

Nice trip lono! I was at Great Divide today as well, stellar day! Showdown and Teton will not disappoint before the cold snap. Considering flyover's dates and the forecast, I would start at Discovery, and then Lost Trail, Maverick or Big Sky, the latter three being relatively warmer this weekend by 10-15 degrees.
 
coldsmoke":2xvf4c03 said:
Considering flyover's dates and the forecast, I would start at Discovery, and then Lost Trail, Maverick or Big Sky, the latter three being relatively warmer this weekend by 10-15 degrees.
Considering flyover is flying out of Spokane first thing Monday morning, I doubt he's going any farther SE than Discovery. I'm in the same situation, leaving from Spokane Monday. As of now, Lookout seems promising for Sunday with more moderate temperatures and light snow predicted every day between now and then. Saturday is likely to be a very short ski day for me with predicted HIGH temps of -9F.
 
Tony Crocker":1frkw61f said:
Saturday is likely to be a very short ski day for me with predicted HIGH temps of -9F.
Time to join the 21st century and wear a) a helmet, b) goggles, and c) a neoprene face mask.

This trio also works during cold, windy days in the Alps.
:-)
 
I am quite interested in Turner and would definitely go there with other factors equal. But 0F and no new snow vs. 14F with a foot of snow over the next 4 days would change that decision.

I survived -22F at Mustang 2 years ago, with the key items being face mask and neoprene Boot Gloves plus 4 upper layers and 3 lower layers under admin's favorite one-piece, but it helps to be riding up the hill in a cat instead of a lift. Coldest lift served was -9F here at Castle in 2004, though midday was probably closer to 0F. I wear goggles under 10F even if it's calm and sunny. The goggles have seen more use than usual so far this season.
 
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