Keystone, CO Feb 7-8

ChrisC

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I was at Keystone for Rocky Mountain On-Snow Demo 2008 http://www.wwsra.com/ViewShow.aspx/15

Both days were very cold, windy and snowy -- in a bad, hard to withstand the elements way. (In fact some head sales reps could not be bothered to come out of the warm lodge for 2 days to their demo booths - like Volkl. I guess they just take orders -- not sell, talk or converse with users.)

Keystone - and the Mountain House lodge - was a rather poor location for the event. The only lift open from this base was the Argentine - an almost 10 minute HS Quad that stops a lot and offers very little terrain. Do you take the Montezuma to the summit (another 7 min) and try for North Peak (more time)? Or do you try to maximize the number and types of skis - especially from some smaller manufacturers like Movement, Stockli, Icelantic, Line, Blizzard, etc? How do you judge skies in the All Mountain category when it takes an hour plus to find some semi-suitable terrain? This did not impact me as much as some others, since my goal was to sample skis appropriate for a different demographic than Alaska Big Mountain.

For an event like this, you really want to be at a base of a mountain with a high-speed lift serving a variety of terrain. Multiple lifts/transit time means skis get cut. The Utah location at Snowbasin is optimum for this type of event.
 
Both days were very cold, windy and snowy -- in a bad, hard to withstand the elements way.

Yep, been a much windier than normal year in Colo. Even to the point of a couple of long distance I-70 closures due to blowing snow at times... Though at least the lifts ran at Keystone. Saturday a lot of lifts were shut due to the wind. Personally not surprised at your assessment of Keystone. I am not a fan of the place.

They would have been much better off utilizing Copper and the Super B lift for what the group was trying to accomplish... (2300 verts and lots of terrain options).
 
EMSC":30qbp8c9 said:
Both days were very cold, windy and snowy -- in a bad, hard to withstand the elements way.

Yep, been a much windier than normal year in Colo. Even to the point of a couple of long distance I-70 closures due to blowing snow at times... Though at least the lifts ran at Keystone. Saturday a lot of lifts were shut due to the wind. Personally not surprised at your assessment of Keystone. I am not a fan of the place.

They would have been much better off utilizing Copper and the Super B lift for what the group was trying to accomplish... (2300 verts and lots of terrain options).


First thing off the Argentine lift is the 'School Zone' of Schoolmarm. There is Go Devil to one side, but not great.

Supposedly in past years it was at Copper. Yeah, the Super B would be optimal - almost a no-brainer.

Even at Breckenridge at Peak 8 Base would be pretty good.
 
Why would they not offer the santiago and outback/north peak areas of the mountain. Maybe they where not open hence the wind. Those areas would be fine for such an event IMHO. I actualy like keystone back terrian and also there village is nice. Need snow there, never understood which storms favor there terrian, but when it gets 6-10 it can be a fun place.
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TRam":3l2zl9zl said:
Why would they not offer the santiago and outback/north peak areas of the mountain. Maybe they where not open hence the wind. Those areas would be fine for such an event IMHO. I actualy like keystone back terrian and also there village is nice. Need snow there, never understood which storms favor there terrian, but when it gets 6-10 it can be a fun place.
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Our (discounted) lift tickets were good for the entire mountain. Overall, the mountain is Ok and fairly expansive.

However, when you are trying to demo skis 2-4 pairs from 15-20 manufacturers -- with binding adjustment and availability considered -- you really do not have a lot of time. And you do need to test a bunch, because not only are models different (there might be some bad apples) - but financing is different for every manufacturer. For example, one company will let you buy skis with discount and not pay anything for 2 full years while another wants payment in 90 days. You might like brand X over Y, but X the same as Z, but when you consider cash flow one becomes superior.

This is why Keystone is a bad spot for an event like this. You do not have the time to get to certain terrain most appropriate for upper level skis. For many employees, it does not matter. It's a fun social event, your salary is fixed and your shop is going to carry certain skis no matter what. But when you own your own business, smaller decisions matter.
 
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