L.A. Times Article on Mountain High

Tony Crocker":2mjeaytc said:
We beat up Mt. High here periodically, but it's not their fault they don't have as much water as Big Bear.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me ... -headlines

Mt. High has found a path to economic success unusual in the ski industry. Hopefully some of the new skiers/riders they are attracting will be a positive influence in the coming decades.

Well, Mr. Tony, I beg to disagree about Mtn. High being so saavy about finding success. They are the closest to L.A. Hence, they have a lot of customers, more than most or all nationwide. Secondly, they are only opening themselves to boarders, no brainer, to fill the mountain more. It is a easy equation: Boarders + Los Angeles and surrounding area = success. They can afford to make snow!

I miss what Mtn. High was. I also think that there is not a future for most in skiing. Hence, coupled with the injuries, serious at best many times or critical, or deadly/disabling in boarding......diversity means sharing the insults.

I would rather see the diversity in a more lucrative activity that pays life long dividends. When they start giving university scholarships for snowboarding with helmets, I will get excited!

:) Carol who is way too serious! If it were my kid they would not be allowed to go without a helmet. Some of my coworkers practice this with their kids.
 
CWHappyRN":12u1i0kv said:
Well, Mr. Tony, I beg to disagree about Mtn. High being so saavy about finding success. They are the closest to L.A. Hence, they have a lot of customers, more than most or all nationwide. Secondly, they are only opening themselves to boarders, no brainer, to fill the mountain more. It is a easy equation: Boarders + Los Angeles and surrounding area = success. They can afford to make snow!

I miss what Mtn. High was. I also think that there is not a future for most in skiing. Hence, coupled with the injuries, serious at best many times or critical, or deadly/disabling in boarding......diversity means sharing the insults.

I would rather see the diversity in a more lucrative activity that pays life long dividends. When they start giving university scholarships for snowboarding with helmets, I will get excited!

:) Carol who is way too serious! If it were my kid they would not be allowed to go without a helmet. Some of my coworkers practice this with their kids.

The article was about racial diversity in snowsports, not about the "dangers" of snowboarding. When you say yo miss what mt. high was, do you mean the ski area that almost went out of buisness 10 years ago? You can hate on snowboarders all you want too, but mt.high, along with most of the other SoCal mountains would not have chairs spining if it were not for snowboarders. There are plenty of other mountains (especially on the esat coast) that are near major cities, and do not see near the amount of racial diversity that mth. high does. And from an economic and cultural stanpoint; snowboarding gets people who would of normally never gone to the snow, to get up there, so why is that such a bad thing?

You need to get over your generalization that snowboarding was a sport invented by the devil to kill people! When a skier and snowboarder of the exact same ability level ski down a groomed blue run, if anything, the skier wouold be the one more likely to get injured. So please stop hating on our sport so hard, we are just trying to have fun here.
 
I won't be bullied. I am entitled to my opinion! I work in the ER with boarders and their victims. I see their drug screens and causualities, professionally and as a ski patrol. I have the right to voice my thoughts about the dangers of boarding that are well known. They don't have snowboard free resorts for nothing. You fail to see that the comment was about success, not boarding. It is consesus that helmets would make a difference for the boarders. Arms and legs heal, not heads. You don't get it that we are concerned about their heads, they are not, not are managements concerned with $ not lives. We have had skiing and boarding doctors go and talk to them about better safety laws. I get it that you don't care about other's welfare. Hate on! Not a problem to me.
 
CWHappyRN":rq7umrxu said:
I won't be bullied. I am entitled to my opinion! I work in the ER with boarders and their victims. I see their drug screens and causualities, professionally and as a ski patrol. I have the right to voice my thoughts about the dangers of boarding that are well known. They don't have snowboard free resorts for nothing. You fail to see that the comment was about success, not boarding. It is consesus that helmets would make a difference for the boarders. Arms and legs heal, not heads. You don't get it that we are concerned about their heads, they are not, not are managements concerned with $ not lives. We have had skiing and boarding doctors go and talk to them about better safety laws. I get it that you don't care about other's welfare. Hate on! Not a problem to me.

You won't be bullied? So if someone disagrees with you, they are bullying you? I didn't know that Judz was trying to deny your right to hold an opinion. That's some thin skin you have, mama. You dismiss our entire sport as [insert your preferred term here] because you work in an ER where there's apparently an endless line of head-smashed boarders. I'd say that's closer to bullying. I guess at this rate, Boreal, Mountain High and Bear Mountain are going to lose customer base due to debilitating injuries suffered by their patrons. The point was that you, uh, broadened the diversity topic into an opportunity to - again - declare snowboarding a danger to society. Isn't there an occassional price to pay for the thrill of skiing? No danger there, eh? None of those two-planking bombers at Mountain HIgh is posing any threat to other customers.

Would you hold the same opinion of football, especially youth FB, if you worked ER in, say, Texas? Besides, you appear to be writing off all boarders as careless park rats when plenty of us do very little of that.

The following is my first response, written this morning. I had kinda decided not to get into it, but what the hey.

More digs at snowboarding, shocker. You kinda remind me of the cop who brands an entire neighborhood of folks as criminals because he deals with the bad seeds. To think, if I only kept skiing, I'd still have some lifelong dividends ahead of me, and possibly some bad knees to boot . (I'm 30, BTW.)

Yes, being close to a major metro area - a super one at that - helps, but it was more about the demographics that MH is attracting, and if being close to L.A. guarantees success, why hasn't MH always sold 500,000 tickets a year? Why is it, apparently, no longer second fiddle to Big Bear? And what about Bear/Summit's demos? What about the NY resorts? That's a pretty diverse state, at least a key part of it. Are they attracting a far more diverse demo than the industry norm?

Only opening themselves to boarders? Isn't MH pretty much reflecting where the interest lies, freestyle riding and skiing? (Yes, there are skiers in the park. Traitors.) And MH's east mountain is virtually devoid of jumps and metal, but the place is usually empty, so empty that the mountain started closing it on weekdays the past couple of weeks. And I don't remember MH ever doing that in the good snow year of 04-05 when they probably had biz cause to do so. We freeriders were lucky to even have to place somewhat open in a season with less than 3 feet of snowfall. Even in the 200" 2004-05 season, when I went, which included weekends, the east side was rarely, if ever, what you could call crowded. A lot of it was overflow from the far more popular west side. How can MH increase its skier population if the people coming want to snowboard instead? Is it all about the kids being duped by marketing?

Oh, I can't seem to make out your helmet in your avatar.

Tony, don't places such as Mammoth and Vail sell more than a million tickets a season? Some of us can't help but exaggerate in our rush to disagree.
 
CWHappyRN":firx7cmy said:
They don't have snowboard free resorts for nothing.
Please don't even bring this into the discussion - it serves no purpose. There are only 4 resorts that don't allow snowboards - the reasons for not allowing them have absolutely nothing to do with boarder injury rates or not wearing helmets. Yes, you're entitled to your opinions (as wildly inaccurate as they may be) but at least they should match up with facts.
BTW, there used to be 5 areas that didn't allow boarding. Aspen removed it's ban 2 years ago. The 4 remaining ones in North America are Deer Valley, Taos, Alta, and Mad River Glen.
 
Having started this firestorm, I guess I should weigh in, at the risk of being a broken record.

The inebriated bozos in Carol's ER are there because they are stupid, not because they are snowboarders. I suspect the Big Bear ER 30 years ago was full of young stupid inebriated skiers.

I had a press trip to Taos and posted the results of my snowboard ban questions to them on FTO. The Blake family is not dumb. Taos has always been a difficult area to market, they study their customers closely, and they would lift the ban if they thought it would help their economics.

Mt. High was a very marginal operation before management changed in 1997. They maintain Big Bear quality snowmaking on a much smaller amount of acreage. By emphasizing parks they have found a way to make their resources work economically.

Am I interesting in skiing Mountain High with what they have open in the past 2 seasons? No. But I'm not going to disparage someone else who enjoys it.

On these boards, not to mention Epic, TGR, Powder and SBC Skier mags, there is this never ending whining about how most modern ski resort operators are only interested in selling real estate to millionaires. And how young people and "core skiers and riders" are being priced out of the sport. And the closing of numerous "feeder areas" near the cities. While few of us here would seek out Mt. High in its current configuration, they are in at least some way addressing issues that lots of people complain about.
 
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