Longest Glade in the East (?)

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Harvey

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Anybody know who's got the longest glade in the East? I've got limited experience in the northeast and even less experience skiing trees at places other than Gore. Still I'm thinking:

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when I see this claim that Gore is now making. They've expanded the Cirque down to the bottom of the new lift and it will certainly be pretty long. Could be 1200' or more.

I don't know what the criteria is, but I'd think the most logical measure is continuous vertical for an on-the-map, in-bounds glade.

Hard for me to believe that Mad River, Jay or Stowe doesn't have something longer.
 
Harvey44":3oe8dv9b said:
Anybody know who's got the longest glade in the East? I've got limited experience in the northeast and even less experience skiing trees at places other than Gore. Still I'm thinking:

:bs:

when I see this claim that Gore is now making. They've expanded the Cirque down to the bottom of the new lift and it will certainly be pretty long. Could be 1200' or more.

I don't know what the criteria is, but I'd think the most logical measure is continuous vertical for an on-the-map, in-bounds glade.

Hard for me to believe that Mad River, Jay or Stowe doesn't have something longer.
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If they are defining it as the longest in terms of vertical, and that it must be both a single trail (not various sections of different glades) and on the map, then they might be correct. There are many runs not on the map at SB, Stowe, Smuggs and probably MRG which would best that figure. Also, and this gets back to the snowfall discussion, how useful will that new vertical be on the bottom when it can only open a few days per year?
 
Everglade at Jay, at least before it was bisected by the Freezer, is nealy a mile long and probably covers 1400-1500 ft of vert.

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Admin":1bj5vwtk said:
Everglade at Jay, at least before it was bisected by the Freezer, is nealy a mile long and probably covers 1400-1500 ft of vert.

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You know, that was the first one I thought of. But then I went to the topo, and there's no way it's more than 1000' vert or so.

I think the Lookout Glades is definitely a contendah though.
 
Mike Bernstein":2kyq8pvq said:
You know, that was the first one I thought of. But then I went to the topo, and there's no way it's more than 1000' vert or so.
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I'll trust you, but the Tram runs 1,850 verts and I have no idea where the other 850 verts went. Certainly not on the Ullrs' runout, and the vert from the Sky Haus to the Mixing Bowl sure ain't more than a few hundred.
 
For on map glades, I am fairly certain you won't find a glade with more vertical drop than Cannon's Kinsman Glade. Though it may not be the "longest" in terms of mileage but it certainly is the longest in terms of vertical drop (which is where it counts in my book).
 
Admin":35njf0a7 said:
Mike Bernstein":35njf0a7 said:
You know, that was the first one I thought of. But then I went to the topo, and there's no way it's more than 1000' vert or so.
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I'll trust you, but the Tram runs 1,950 verts and I have no idea where the other 950 verts went. Certainly not on the Ullrs' runout, and the vert from the Sky Haus to the Mixing Bowl sure ain't more than a few hundred.
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I think that's just it though. You lose 400' between the top of the tram and the top of Everglade and then, hard as it may be to believe, you lose another 500' or so on the flats of Lower Ullr's. This is the link I'm using to guesstimate these figures, switching back and forth between Terrain mode and Satellite mode to eyeball the starting and ending points.
[url=http://maps.google.com/maps?f...ps.google.com/maps?f=q&source= ... 3&t=p&z=15[/url]
 
riverc0il":1oom4sv9 said:
For on map glades, I am fairly certain you won't find a glade with more vertical drop than Cannon's Kinsman Glade. Though it may not be the "longest" in terms of mileage but it certainly is the longest in terms of vertical drop (which is where it counts in my book).
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I forgot about that one. That probably takes the cake.
 
T brook at mildcat is quite long with lots of vert, maybe 1500? i agree with rivercoil on kinsman glade at cannon. long and steep. there is another glade at cannon that is longer i think off of M traverse. it may not have the vert of kinsman, but i have to think it's longer. maybe the longest glade i've skied. not on the map though.

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Admin":2xkverip said:
Mike Bernstein":2xkverip said:
You know, that was the first one I thought of. But then I went to the topo, and there's no way it's more than 1000' vert or so.
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I'll trust you, but the Tram runs 1,850 verts and I have no idea where the other 850 verts went. Certainly not on the Ullrs' runout, and the vert from the Sky Haus to the Mixing Bowl sure ain't more than a few hundred.
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OK, you just made me go look. I get ~1200 feet:

jay_topo.jpg


I really need to find a hobby.
 
Mike Bernstein":2mpgmiif said:
Admin":2mpgmiif said:
Everglade at Jay, at least before it was bisected by the Freezer, is nealy a mile long and probably covers 1400-1500 ft of vert.

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You know, that was the first one I thought of. But then I went to the topo, and there's no way it's more than 1000' vert or so.

I think the Lookout Glades is definitely a contendah though.
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Everglade seems like it goes on forever.

I think a 1000' in glades seems to be a lot more than 1000' in an open bowl or trail. I think what I like about glade skiing is how you can just get lost in the rhythm and yet not have a visual reference of the actual distance you skied. It always seems longer to me than it really is.
 
rfarren":3n2gd4gw said:
Mike Bernstein":3n2gd4gw said:
Admin":3n2gd4gw said:
Everglade at Jay, at least before it was bisected by the Freezer, is nealy a mile long and probably covers 1400-1500 ft of vert.

[ Post made via Mobile Device ]
mobile.png
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You know, that was the first one I thought of. But then I went to the topo, and there's no way it's more than 1000' vert or so.

I think the Lookout Glades is definitely a contendah though.
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Everglade seems like it goes on forever.

I think a 1000' in glades seems to be a lot more than 1000' in an open bowl or trail. I think what I like about glade skiing is how you can just get lost in the rhythm and yet not have a visual reference of the actual distance you skied. It always seems longer to me than it really is.
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Truth.

The fact of the matter is, if you're good enough to ski your typical eastern expert glade, then you are also good enough to fly down a trail at Mach Loony. SB was my home mountain, and while it would take me about 30 seconds to schuss down Organgrinder, it would take about 10 minutes to pick my way through the glades on either side. Glade skiing is harder and, if you're smart, you'll stop every so often to ensure you are catching the best line. As many experienced glade skiers know, if where you're skiing is tracked out, untracked snow often lies just a few feet away on the other side of a stand of trees - that's part of the fun.
 
Mike Bernstein":ay6s68cr said:
...Also, and this gets back to the snowfall discussion, how useful will that new vertical be on the bottom when it can only open a few days per year?
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First thing....we are dealing with a marketing claim. If the fact is wrong ("longest glade in the east") they need to be called out. But I'd never expect marketing to say...check out our new $2 million dollar improvements...that are only useful when we have huge dumps..which are rare these days."

To answer the question.... the existing part of Cirque started above the elevation of Twister Glades and finished at about the same elevation. The new addition takes it below that. How often are the Twister Glades open? I'm not sure but clearly its way less than the Glades up on Gore (vs Bear - the lower mtn). Even when Twister Glades are open...many a great run in there end with spotty coverage. Also your not going to get the kind of extra curricular maintenance down at that elevation from Chuckie and the Boys. It's just not worth their time.

A few strategically placed bridges in the Cirque would help alot. Last year there was some awesome skiing in there, but it was in the early season and the creeks weren't frozen. I will say this...anyone that hits Gore on a big day...take the time to get over to the Cirque. It's a blast.

Cirque+Glades.JPG

Once again I've drifted my own thread...the answers about Jay and Cannon were exactly what I was looking for. (Any thread that pulls Riv out of retirement can't be all bad.) And I can't believe I forgot about the Sugar Valley Glades at Whiteface. It's really funny that with Gore and WF both being ORDA mtns that that "longest' claim is out there.
 
Can't wait to ski The Cirque again!

The sweet thing about The Cirque is that you really feel like you are out there and it sure does feel like the longest glade.
 
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