Lost Trail Powder Mountain, MT 11/26/05

J.Spin

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Additional pictures are available through the link at the bottom of the report.

After almost a week, our inversion period of weather has finally ended. Of course it was rather hard to tell because it was a storm system that finally got the air moving, and the fog was simply replaced with slightly higher clouds. We got a burst of freezing rain in Hamilton (elevation 3,560?) and other parts of the Bitterroot Valley on Friday evening, which covered everything with a thick glaze of crystal clear ice, and then a pinch of snow came in overnight for good measure. Up at the pass (elevation 7,000?) Lost Trail said there were 4 inches of new snow at the early report, and it was still snowing. The Saddle Mountain SNOTEL at 7,900? also indicated a 4 inch accumulation overnight.

Ty?s skis were mounted Friday evening, and with bindings, they look even smaller than they did before. It?s as if the bindings occupy the entirety of the skis. I?ve seen other toddler?s skis look like this before, where there are just a few inches of open ski behind the binding, but it just hit home a little harder when I realized we owned a pair of the crazy-looking things. When we picked them up at the ski shop, Ty immediately took hold of them and didn?t want to let go, although he conceded them to me for a few moments while the ski technician confirmed the DIN settings (DIN = 0.75 front and rear, about as low as they go).

We headed up to Lost Trail on Saturday morning, and E went out for first tracks while I hung out in the lodge with boys. Ty was so excited about his new ski setup, that as he walked around the lodge with his ski boots on, he showed them to everyone he passed. People were impressed at how smoothly he walked around in them. Ty even insisted on walking around wearing his skis on the carpet for a bit, and although I wasn?t really excited about him messing up his newly-waxed skis, it was worth it if it allowed E to stay out a bit longer on the slopes.

Chair 1 wasn?t running, and while I figured it was simply to save money during the early season, I later heard that it might be having some issues. It was running as usual later in the afternoon when we left, so it looks like they?re taking care of it. E reported that the surface below the new powder was crusty on the trails she visited, which must be due to the warm mountain temperatures during the inversion. The Saddle Mountain SNOTEL reported highs in the 40s F from Monday through Friday, with a maximum of 46.1 degrees F on Wednesday. The low temperatures were still below freezing each night however, and the base depth reported by the SNOTEL only changed about 2 inches. E couldn?t resist a trip down the untracked Thunder trail after watching it below her on the Chair 2 lift ride, although she did contact the hard snow at times on the ungroomed surface. I probably would have gone with a groomed run like Southern Comfort, since I usually like the more consistent surface below the powder when it?s not too deep.

Ty was incredibly anxious to get out on his new skis, and apparently he has no respect for the skiing sacrifices Mom has made over the past few seasons in giving birth to and caring for him and his brother. Anyway, E came in after just a couple runs so I could take Ty out on the Bunny Hill with his new skis. Ty had no problem balancing on his new skis, since they are longer than his old ones. I figured I?d let him get used to them for a few runs before we tried working in a wedge. But, in parallel skiing mode, he is way too fast on these newly-waxed skis. One time, he accelerated away from me so fast that I had to skate really hard to keep up, and even then I almost didn?t stop him before he crashed into the folks at the bottom of the rope tow. From then on, I kept my hand lightly on his lifter harness so he couldn?t escape again. He actually even made a few parallel turns as he experimented with weighting, but he couldn?t do it consistently. I worked on getting him into a wedge position, and while he did get some wedging in, he so much enjoyed the enhanced speed of his new skis that it was hard to get him out of parallel mode. Finally, after I?m not sure how many runs, he got hungry enough that we could go in for lunch. Well, lunch for Ty at least. If Dad wanted to get in some skiing on his own, lunch would have to wait.

I didn?t expect to have too long before Ty was powered up and ready to go out again, so I decided to go for some high quality snow in Elk Basin. This was a mission that called for my CMH fats, so I grabbed them off the car and headed down to catch a ride up on Chair 2. The CMH fats are much slower edge to edge than my Pilot Hots, so I was wondering how they would feel out of the powder on their first time out for season. Surprisingly, they felt incredibly lively as I headed down the packed slope of Drifter, and I didn?t encounter any of the underlying hard stuff that E had reported, just beautiful packed powder all the way. It continued to snow lightly throughout the morning, accumulating to around a total of about 6 new inches, and then the sky started to break up and the sun came out at times. The new snow that fell was really light, I guessed in the 6% H2O range. The SNOTEL data suggests 7.3% H2O from the small sampling as of early morning Saturday, and an overall average of 4.9% H2O with the additional accumulation that fell after that.

A little while after my ride on Chair 2, I found myself atop the Bear Claw Ridge for the first time of the season. I could see a couple of tracks on Lower Oreo, and only one track in Elk Basin. Across the basin, I could see that Hollywood Bowl and the surrounding chutes were starting to fill in, although I bet some lines are still going to be rocky. After an energy bar and some photos, I dropped into Elk Basin along the skier?s left where I usually find the best snow. There was at least a food of fresh powder in there, and even as light as the snow was, I didn?t get anywhere near hitting bottom. The turns were fantastic, undoubtedly the best of the season for me so far. I definitely needed to get E to take a run in there. It was already midday, and I couldn?t believe I?d seen only one track in the Basin, so I basically had the pick of my favorite lines. Riding back up on Chair 3, I got the radio call that Ty was ready for more skiing, but unfortunately I dropped a glove liner during my conversation, and would have to make a quick run to pick it up. I couldn?t believe I dropped something from the lift; it was probably the first time since riding the main chairlift back at Middlebury Snow Bowl in the late 80s. I remember trudging up the closed part of the lift line to get to my lost item back then. Nowadays, I?d probably ski whatever it was (short of maybe some avalanche terrain) closed or not. Anyway, I plotted my course to my errant glove through some woods, and even managed to snag it on the run as I coasted through the powder. Glove recovery with style!

For Ty?s afternoon session, E came out with Dylan in the front pack, and we both worked on trying to get Ty into the wedge position. We used the Kid-Ski wedge lock device, which certainly helped. After a while, I took Dylan in the pack, and E did the close work with Ty. At times, he actually did use the wedge to slow himself down, and he even made some turns, but he still has a long way to go. He still has too much fun going fast, and he was even getting mad at me for slowing him down with his lifter harness. At one point, he was yelling at me to let go of him and let him go fast, so I did. I was hoping he would gently run into an older kid that had just pulled in front of us (to show him what happens when you go too fast) but instead he managed to swerve and just rode over the older kid?s skis. The older kid apologized for getting in our way, but I let him know it wasn?t a problem; I was trying to teach Ty a lesson about control. Ty definitely wants to turn (he makes the back and forth motion with his hands to show us) and wants to work on getting his skis into the pizza shape (wedge) but he just gets so excited when he?s moving that he often forgets about these things. I?m sure he?ll get there eventually, and it should be fun watching the process. At least he?s having a blast out on his new equipment.

A few pictures from the day can be found at:

http://www.JandEproductions.com/2005/26NOV05.html

J.Spin
 

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I'm not sure what this "lifter harness" is, but it sounds like you're restraining Ty at close quarters. I strongly recommend a leash 2-3 feet long. Tell him to put his hands on his knees (which is teaching him to lean forward), and you control his speed from a distance behind him which is also much less tiring for you since you're not leaning over him all the time.

Ty can be parallel or wedging as he pleases. I was told than most kids under 4 aren't strong enough to maintain a wedge full time. At age 3 Adam would be parallel and restrained by the leash most of the time, but later in the year he would wedge more and make turns. You will notice slack in the leash as the wedges get stronger. Adam only had 7 days at age 3, then came off the leash for good on his second day at age 4.

I see many similarities in your reports from our early experiences, so I'm putting in my 2 cents. Ty will get way more ski time in than Adam did, but as I recall he's not even 3 yet, so the leg strength may still be an issue.
 
That is one fine picture of your tracks down Elk Basin...looks like first class quality fluff there, Jay. Thanks for the pictures!
 
Tony Crocker":x1nsepjt said:
I strongly recommend a leash 2-3 feet long. Tell him to put his hands on his knees (which is teaching him to lean forward), and you control his speed from a distance behind him which is also much less tiring for you since you're not leaning over him all the time.

Speaking of, how does one FIND this equipment? Are there any good sites out there for us parents looking to take the kids skiing?

I'm going to take my 5 year old skiing for the first time this year. I would like ANY and ALL advice on what to take and what to expect. She's fairly strong (ballet, strong swimmer) so I'm not so worried about that, but I have heard that kids tend to have a short "attention span" when they're out in the cold.

Maury
 
Maury Markowitz":203u221g said:
Speaking of, how does one FIND this equipment? Are there any good sites out there for us parents looking to take the kids skiing?

All our teaching tools are from the KiD-SKi line of equipment at Apple Rise Sports:

http://www.applerise.com

You can buy individual items, or packages containing certain ones. For a 5-year old, you'll probably only need some of the various tools. The website can help you decide what you'll need, and there's also a video available that shows you how to properly use the equipment.

Also, at age 5, a child is old enough to be enrolled in most ski schools. So, if ski school is available, try to get your daughter some professional instruction. She'll most likely get some great tips and analysis, and then you can work on stuff with her on the side.

J.Spin
 
Tony Crocker":65xsuaiv said:
I'm not sure what this "lifter harness" is, but it sounds like you're restraining Ty at close quarters.

What I call the "lifter harness" is actually the Kiddie Lift from the KiD-SKi line of equipment (see the link and attached image below).

http://www.applerise.com/kidski/teachai ... kiddielift

It basically lets you load your child onto chairlifts, pick them up when the fall etc. with one hand. It's definitely not meant to be used as a restraining device, but I just used it in a pinch since the leash was in the car.

Tony Crocker":65xsuaiv said:
I strongly recommend a leash 2-3 feet long. Tell him to put his hands on his knees (which is teaching him to lean forward), and you control his speed from a distance behind him which is also much less tiring for you since you're not leaning over him all the time.

Thanks for the advice Tony, as it sounds like the way we are going to go. A standard ski leash also came with our KiD-SKi package:

http://www.applerise.com/kidski/teachaid.html#skileash

While using the Kiddie Lift worked as a temporary solution to slow him down, it resulted in me being at very close quarters to him as your surmised, and when he would fall, I had to be careful not to run over him. A few days ago, E mentioned that the leash would be a good thing to use now, and from your advice and the KiD-SKi suggestions, it sounds like the best solution while Ty gains some speed control.

Tony Crocker":65xsuaiv said:
Ty can be parallel or wedging as he pleases. I was told that most kids under 4 aren't strong enough to maintain a wedge full time. At age 3 Adam would be parallel and restrained by the leash most of the time, but later in the year he would wedge more and make turns. You will notice slack in the leash as the wedges get stronger. Adam only had 7 days at age 3, then came off the leash for good on his second day at age 4.

I see many similarities in your reports from our early experiences, so I'm putting in my 2 cents. Ty will get way more ski time in than Adam did, but as I recall he's not even 3 yet, so the leg strength may still be an issue.

Thanks, that's more great information. Yeah, Ty doesn't turn 3 for a couple of months, so with the help of the leash, we can probably let Ty do more parallel if he wants, and slowly work him into wedging as he develops the strength or skill he needs.

Thanks for all the helpful advice Tony. Even with the direction from the KiD-SKi program, there's still a lot of learning as we go, especially with Ty being our first child on skis. It's great to have an experienced skiing parent in the forum.

J.Spin
 

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I think KiD-SKi did a presentation of their equipment at NASJA 2000. Adam was on that trip but already 15 and kicking my butt.

I did forget to mention the safety aspect of the leash, that you are less likely to run over your kid.

Adam's birthday is Dec. 17, so Ty's progress at the young ages with a January birthday may be comparable for awhile. Ty has a big advantage in that stamina is limited and a "ski day" at that age is not 6-8 hours, and I suspect he will have far more than 7 of them at age 3. By the end of this season the wedge turns may look very good and he will probably be able to make an "emergency turn" as Adam did once to avoid an adult beginner who crashed right in front of him.

It will be fairly obvious when the leash is no longer needed because it will be slack nearly all the time at that point.

With respect to the other inquiry, 5 is generally viewed as the "safe" age that most kids can enjoy learning to ski. At 4 it's about 50-50. Less than 4, they should be pestering you to ski as evidence of strong motivation. From previous reports it's clear that Ty falls in this latter category. Kids who are not as highly motivated (my younger son Andrew for example) are usually best taught by ski schools and not their parents.
 
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