Loveland, Abasin and a dash through Summit County, CO Nov 11, 2023

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Super complicated day for me personally. Jr had dedicated lane space at Loveland, I sure wasn't paying $119 for the one run there so popped over the pass and snowboarded ABasin for a couple hours on my Ikon pass before rushing through Summit County to get specialty gear before returning to Loveland for a late lunch and to pick Jr up. In all, I stopped at or passed by Loveland, ABasin, Keystone, Breckenridge, and Copper.

Despite sun and temps warming into the mid 30's F at the bases, snowmaking was an all day affair for everyone except Abasin who is once again out of water for the moment.

Crowds were plenty for the terrain available, though obviously tiny compared to mid-season volumes. As usual every ski team you can imagine was in attendance depending on venue. The weirdest by far that I saw was ski teams from Calgary area at Lovelnd which made no sense to me. They looked to be U16-ish (14-15yr olds). Nakiska, Norquay and Louise are all open up that way already. Why would you come all the way to Loveland?

For example...
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Loveland Valley racers only
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Now we are at ABasin, which has a long way to go to getting their 2nd trail open (from the top). I feel like Al made a bad call this year. Usually AbAsin goes for a 2nd trail on the bottom before opening the top. I bet they could have had that 2nd trail open to spread people out by now, but the top takes way longer.
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Even a tiny bump field hidden in the shade. The fluffy layer on top was definitely thicker then normal, so somewhat above average for WROD.
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Overall I have hardly any pictures of me snowboarding, which I do early season when I'd be bored to tears on skis.
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Only a couple more months for East Wall
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Typical lift line. Singles line moved so fast it basically didn't exist.
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I boarded for exactly two hours, 9a-11a. That equaled a dozen runs of WROD survival (plenty). And by survival I literally mean it in some sense. At the bottom of my first run I was bent over unstrapping my back foot but heard a loud thump followed by a guy yelling "What the @#^%!! etc.... " roughly where the single snowboarder is standing in the below pic had been a direct collision. Since I didn't see it I had no idea who was the idiot vs innocent. But one guy walked away and the other one very much didn't... Both appeared to be skiers for what that is worth.
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And then on to the rig-a-morole. I was on the phone passing by Keystone, but noted that they had skiing all the way into the base, though on a fairly narrow strip. Lots of snowmaking visible too. Up and over swan Mtn shortcut to Breck. There is a reason tourists love the place:
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Welcome to Frisco:
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How about Copper:
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The snowmaking is concentrated on the Super B area for world cup level downhill training. The snowmaking here is only on the bottom in prep for building up the half pipe. I believe they have an early December event for that. They open to the public on Monday (weird day to open) and as far as I know they will only have Ptarmigan trail off the Excelerator up top for the public; and will require downloading on the gondola. And yes, that is a large group of racer chasers about to load for some afternoon training up top (this pic was ~1:15p).
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And eventually back to the Basin side of Loveland (kids only had am lane space at Valley, then they freeskied on the one trail on Basin side).
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Does it make even more economic sense to make as much early-season snow just for the racers - like at Loveland and Copper? I mean there is almost zero revenue from skiers/boarders since I assume everyone has a pass. Was this always the case?

The Telluride Team is going to be living in that bus. I have never seen the mountain prioritize a race trail early season.


A-Basin: Skier densities do not look completely out of control. Par for the course in most of the East till about mid-January. SoCal.


I used to Telemark a lot more during less-than-optimal/limited conditions. Never committed to snowboarding.
 
I boarded for exactly two hours, 9a-11a. That equaled a dozen runs of WROD survival (plenty). And by survival I literally mean it in some sense. At the bottom of my first run I was bent over unstrapping my back foot but heard a loud thump followed by a guy yelling "What the @#^%!! etc.... " roughly where the single snowboarder is standing in the below pic had been a direct collision. Since I didn't see it I had no idea who was the idiot vs innocent. But one guy walked away and the other one very much didn't... Both appeared to be skiers for what that is worth.

I did not believe this IG video/photo of Mammoth Opening Weekend, so deleted the prior post. (Thought it was a Gen AI prompt for worst crowding on a WROD).

But it looks like this really was Saturday, November 11.

This is what happens when you run 3 HS lifts with 1 main run. (I think Snowbrain's founder Miles's run on Alta's Main Chute was safer.)

Tony missed out.

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I did not believe this IG photo of Mammoth Opening Weekend
I still can't believe that. Mammoth is near no one. All those people drove at least 3 hours and most of them probably for 6 hrs each way! Insanity!
 
I see Patrick getting his November turns!

Hahaha. :LOL: :) :eusa-clap:

8 Hr flight to Reno. Concert at a casino. 3.5 Hrs to Mammoth. November turns opening weekend - "Priceless" a la Mastercard ad campaign.

He made a more reasonable trip to Mont Saint-Sauveur, QE for November.
 
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I've only skied Mammoth once under that level of early season terrain limits. I took a lot of pics that day because I knew I probably wouldn't do it again. It wasn't opening weekend but it was Thanksgiving. I critiqued skier density on Broadway but it was nothing like last Saturday. I commented that Saddle Bowl off back of 3 was much better in terms of both snow and elbow room. Saddle Bowl is open this time too, which puts Mammoth in the situation A-Basin would be with a run on Lenawee open. Mammoth Snowman got out Monday after the craziness subsided.
I still can't believe that. Mammoth is near no one. All those people drove at least 3 hours and most of them probably for 6 hrs each way! Insanity!
+1 There must be a lot of people who are obsessed with skiing opening and closing days. We have our share of nutcases here on FTO but I don't know anyone personally who puts a high priority upon ski area opening/closing dates. The skiing as many months as possible mindset has some wiggle room to avoid the worst WROD scenarios.

Last weekend was a 3-day weekend for many people. That may have bumped up the number of people willing to make the trek from SoCal.
 
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Last weekend was a 3-day weekend for many people. That may have bumped up the number of people willing to make the trek from SoCal.

If you have the sunk cost of a ski pass and everything is 'free' now.....why not? If you can find a place to sleep.
 
The drive is long enough that it's nearly always attractive to make it a 3 day trip if possible. Some of the business comes from second homeowners, and their places are rarely rented out at this time of year. One of Garry's friends has a condo near Canyon Lodge; we have stayed with him there 3x, all in November.
 
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