Park City Mountain Resort, UT 2/3/09

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Day 31: Beats workin'

As I pulled into the parking lot at my office this morning, my cell phone twinkled to life. It was a text message from Mira:
Hey Marc, do you think conditions at Solitude would be OK today? Do you want to come with us? :)

Gee, thanks. ](*,) Nice way to start a work day. :roll:

I checked my calendar...meeting at 10 a.m., nothing else. In the meantime, though, the destination got moved to Park City Mountain Resort. It was cloudless, windless and destined for the mid-40s in Park City. I could go for the afternoon. Why not?

At 12:30 p.m. I met Mira at the base of the new Crescent lift as she was attentively perusing the trail map, trying to figure out the layout of the place. We headed up.

The others were over on McConkey's, so we skied down to Silverlode and headed over to McConkey's (south-facing Mid-Mountain Meadows was perfectly sun-softened), finding Sima at the lift corral and the others barely on the lift. We all reconvened at the top, but the rest of the crew was heading for a bite to eat. Sima and Mira wanted to keep skiing.

So we headed straight to Jupiter while the others made tracks for the Summit House.

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With no new snow the obvious choice was north-facing, so I went straight to Portuguese Gap and found the dry, chalky snow I was looking for. Mira and I opted to try south-facing aspen trees down low and were disappointed by the crud, not quite softened to perfection.

The second lap was more north-facing off Jupe on the West Face -- not bad, but it left me saying, "We need fresh snow." It wasn't quite the same as the well-shaded Portuguese Gap.

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We planned to reconvene with the others at the bottom of King Con, but when they weren't yet there we went up King Con and Silverlode to meet them outside the Summit House. We then spent many runs lapping groomers both on King Con and Silverlode. By 3 p.m., though, skiing groomers was getting old, and Mira thought that the trees off Motherlode might be softening. We were willing to try.

And it delivered! Good call, Mira! Just slightly softened, the trees in Motherlode Meadows gave us just what we were looking for over two runs right up to the closing bell.

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Snowboarder Alain was suddenly all smiles, finding what for him were the runs of the day, and we returned to the base via the aspens to skier's left of Shaft, which weren't half bad, either -- certainly far better than the slick manmade on Shaft itself. We had a couple of beers après-ski at the Pig Pen Saloon before they shuffled off to dinner in Park City and I headed home.

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I find it funny that Admin would take a day off from work when snow conditions are marginal to ski Park City of all places :roll: .

My friend who has a pass at Park City came to ski Alta because conditions at PCMR were not so great. She loved Alta.
 
"Marginal"? Next time you get freezing rain at Greek Peak talk to me about "marginal." You weren't there yesterday. I was. As stated above, woods off Motherlode were a blast, and we found steep chalky snow when we went looking for it.

I'd love to hear your definition of "marginal."
 
Marginal by Utah standards, dummy.

Comparing PCMR to GP is like comparing apples and oranges. I go out and ski GP when it rains sometimes.... but I wouldn't take the day off from work to ski GP in the rain.

My point was that a local PCMR pass holder didn't find conditions there to be so good and said that Alta was far superior. I just found it surprising that you would take a day off from work to go there given the current dry spell when conditions at Alta are much better, especially when you weren't certain about cashing in a vacation day to ski when it was snowing. :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
Perhaps said PCMR passholder who found conditions at her home mountain to be "poor" has absolutely no clue of how to find good snow. Your description of her unwillingness to traverse to find good snow at Alta yesterday hardly instills confidence.

And you must be careful about carelessly throwing about terms like "marginal." Such terminology to describe the snow at PCMR yesterday would be misleading at best, and an out-and-out falsehood at worst.

marginal
[mahr-juh-nl]
–adjective
at the outer or lower limits; minimal for requirements; almost insufficient: marginal subsistence; marginal ability.

Even by Utah standards, things here are anything but "marginal" right now. Even the Utah Avalanche Center this morning used the term "hero snow" to describe north-facing conditions yesterday.
 
Admin":wga9yh9f said:
Perhaps said PCMR passholder who found conditions at her home mountain to be "poor" has absolutely no clue of how to find good snow. Your description of her unwillingness to traverse to find good snow at Alta yesterday hardly instills confidence.

And you must be careful about carelessly throwing about terms like "marginal." Such terminology to describe the snow at PCMR yesterday would be misleading at best, and an out-and-out falsehood at worst.

marginal
[mahr-juh-nl]
–adjective
at the outer or lower limits; minimal for requirements; almost insufficient: marginal subsistence; marginal ability.

Even by Utah standards, things here are anything but "marginal" right now. Even the Utah Avalanche Center this morning used the term "hero snow" to describe north-facing conditions yesterday.



MARGINAL ](*,) :roll: ...WHAT IN GODS' NAME DOES THAT MEAN......45 F , blue sky and in utah?????....i am so figgin sick of skiing flat terrain when it is in the single digits, if there was one trail open, i'd call that epic by utah , greek peak or anywhere standards.... and i have a feeling there was more than one trail open :lol:
marginal, you want to know what marginal is... i'll give you marginal....10F and winds between 15 and 20....100% open... groomed flat as a pancake....that's what the north east was today.... and ohh joy, tomorrow, it's still gonna be 100 % open, and even colder, like it will be a miracle if it hits 5F.... i was planning on going for my 2 days off today and tomorrow ....right now , im sitting at home because , as i see it, marginal for me is , 10 F , windy, and flat ...i have decided that no longer will i willingly be a part of skiing in such weather....it's boring, it's freezing and i get nothing but aggravation out of it....

i'd rather spend my time dreaming of 45F, blue sky and being in utah =D>


it is not possible to be in the 40's , blue sky , in utah and be "marginal", sweetie ](*,)


maybe if more people stopped thinking about skiing as only being worth it in jan and feb when it is below 32F and figured out that skiing when it is 40 and 50 is just superior in so many ways, we might be able to get a lift to spin in may again ](*,) ... unbelievable ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)
 
Sounds like joegm could use a move. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I think its better being really cold in the North East than dealing with freeze-thaw every two weeks. Anyhow, it seems it's gonna warm up quite a bit in his neck of the woods in the next couple of days.
 
I'm with joegm on the temperatures, UNLESS there is some fresh pow to go along with the cold.

But in Utah, California, Colorado that is the way weather usually works. Cold usually = storms, new snow. Warm = clear. We all know it often doesn't work that way in the Northeast.

Nonetheless Sharon's question is valid. It was only her poor choice of the word "marginal" that deserved the :brick:

On an absolute scale Park City is a fine ski area with enough snow to keep most people happy. But within its neighborhood it's a third-class citizen.
 
rfarren":28yc4quy said:
Sounds like joegm could use a move. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I think its better being really cold in the North East than dealing with freeze-thaw every two weeks. Anyhow, it seems it's gonna warm up quite a bit in his neck of the woods in the next couple of days.

rfarren, i used to 100% absolutely agree with you on this... i've changed my thinking 180 degrees in the last 3 or 4 years....at the time, my thought process was, i will deal with sub zero and zero on the premise that the mid/long term benefit, ie snow preservation , will only help out in april and may....i used to argue this to death with one of my buddies who basically hated skiing in anything under 20.....

but the fact that they all seem to stop spinning on a predetermined mid april date certain and have given spring skiing the death penalty, regardless of snowpack, has completely changed my view of this...and to be honest, even though it has not rained , when it is this cold out, and as crocker points out, it is not snowing that much, the result is , while " marginally " :wink: better, i'm at the point where i don't think the resulting chalked out hardpack, is THAT, much better than what would result from the thaw freeze cycle...


one of the side reasons, aside from my pure love of the feeling you get, that i ski moguls , is that i generally do not get cold when i am skiing bumps all day long.... everything from my feet up to my fingers stays warm when i am able to ski good lines with proper form.... the constant motion and flexion of joints from the ankles to the wrist i find, is the key to staying warm....the key for that though is that there is good lines.....i have no idea how people can go out all day and ski flat groomed runs from summit to base and make about 10 turns the whole way down when it is below 10 F and somehow stay warm.... and this is coming from someone who is miserable when it is over 70 in the summer.... i hate the heat....but skiing flat terrain in sub 10F is just not appealing to me at all anymore....


i'll say this, the older i get
i am progressing more and more towards the day when i can see myself telemarking on or off piste or just backcountry touring for 9 out of 10 times i go skiing...i dont know if i will ever be able to uproot and go west like the admin....you never know though
 
i don't think the resulting chalked out hardpack, is THAT, much better than what would result from the thaw freeze cycle...
Out here the "chalked out hardpack" can be quite enjoyable. But it's often natural snow that easily holds an edge, Backside at Alta during my last visit being a good example. The manmade variety, which incidentally admin and I saw quite a bit of at Deer Valley, requires considerably more attention to detail. Of course the temps were in the 40's both of those days :). SOP in Utah when it's not snowing.

rfarren":33su3jfk said:
Sounds like joegm could use a move. :lol: :lol: :lol:
I agree. joegm's demeanor on these boards would make a dramatic turnaround if he moved out here. Park him on Mary Jane for a season and he'd be in heaven.
 
joegm":35yp5f17 said:
i dont know if i will ever be able to uproot and go west like the admin....you never know though

There was a time that I didn't think that I ever would, either, and this is coming from a guy who spent some years growing up as a kid in Colorado. Once I did, however, I kicked myself for taking 39 years to do so.
 
Tony Crocker":3aiuebh6 said:
i don't think the resulting chalked out hardpack, is THAT, much better than what would result from the thaw freeze cycle...
Out here the "chalked out hardpack" can be quite enjoyable. But it's often natural snow that easily holds an edge, Backside at Alta during my last visit being a good example. The manmade variety, which incidentally admin and I saw quite a bit of at Deer Valley, requires considerably more attention to detail. Of course the temps were in the 40's both of those days :). SOP in Utah when it's not snowing.

i hear you, but the difference between fake chalk and natural chalk is huge and it sets up very differently.... on flats and especially in bump lines
 
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