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swix

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My wife and I are going to slc febuary 19-27th , during president's week . I want to know if they expect crowds at the ski station ? We bought 4 days with the super pass. Which stations do you recommend for the three other days? Is it ok to rent a car with Advantage? We reserved a 4x4 Jeep liberty and heard that there were airport fees, is this true?
We were thinking of staying at Chase Suites downtown slc, would you recommend it?
Thank you!
 
Are you sure Jeep Liberty is 4X4? Advantage had a great deal last January on Jeep Liberty, but they were 2 wheel drive. Since it was snowing when we landed my friends took the upgrade to Chevy Tahoes at 3X the price. I stuck with 2WD and got a Chrysler Pacifica which was fine getting throught the snow to Park City, but would have been turned around if I tried going to Alta or Snowbird.

I'll let other recommend ski areas.
 
swix":3mcxansp said:
My wife and I are going to slc febuary 19-27th , during president's week . I want to know if they expect crowds at the ski station ? We bought 4 days with the super pass. Which stations do you recommend for the three other days?

You've got the Ski Salt Lake Super Pass, which covers Snowbird, Alta, Brighton and Solitude, and you've got 3 other days to ski as well. (I'm assuming that you ski, not snowboard, otherwise Alta and Deer Valley are out as neither allow snowboarding.) Crowding around here is more fiction than fact, in my opinion. For example, I never waited more than 5-10 minutes for any lift at Alta or Snowbird over the entire Christmas/New Year's holiday, and in most cases skied right onto a lift.

That said, the least crowded will be Powder Mountain, Snowbasin and Solitude. I've got a personal soft spot in my heart for Powder Mountain -- the day lodge will make you feel right at home from Mont-Adstock. :wink: The most crowded will be the three Park City-area ski resorts (Park City Mountain Resort, Deer Valley and The Canyons). The biggest congestion points at those three will be at the base of the mountain in the morning, so should you opt to visit any of those three you should get up the mountain early in the morning and stay up there until you're ready to quit for the day -- i.e., don't return to the base until you're done. At PCMR, avoid Payday other than to get up in the morning. At The Canyons, avoid the whole area surrounding Red Pine Lodge atop the Flight Of The Canyons Gondola -- use it only as a transit point. Dreamcatcher has been empty every time I've seen it, for your typical tourist doesn't venture that far.

Crowding at the four Salt Lake City areas will depend on what the weather does. If we get a big storm, expect local powder hounds to flock to Alta and Snowbird to track it out for a few hours and then go home or go to work. It's still worth it to be there on those days in my opinion, as places like Solitude will still have fresh powder to ski the next day. The vibe at Alta on a powder day is unmistakable and shouldn't be missed. I'm assuming that powder is what you want. If it's long groomers that you're looking for my advice will have to be different.

swix":3mcxansp said:
Is it ok to rent a car with Advantage? We reserved a 4x4 Jeep liberty and heard that there were airport fees, is this true?

It sounds like tseeb has experience with Advantage in SLC, I don't. They're one of the "second tier" rental companies. Yes, there are airport fees for renting a car at the Salt Lake airport just as there are at just about any U.S. airport. Some rental companies include the total cost in their quote, inclusive of the fees, and some don't.

You can save a bunch of money, eliminating the airport concession fee and some of that tax, too, by renting off-site away from the airport at the expense of the convenience of stepping off your plane and into you car.

For example I just played around by making a reservation on Advantage's website, http://arac.com/. They add the following for an airport rental in their price quote:

VLF UTAH 1.50 Per Day
SLC CRF 9.25 Percent
Sales Tax 16.10%

The "VLF UTAH" listed is the vehicle license fee. the "SLC CRF" is the Salt Lake Airport Concession Recovery Fee. "Sales tax" is of course self-explanatory. Those are all the fees.

If you saw something like that on your price quote when you made a reservation, then the fees are already included in the price. If not they're tacked onto the price. I used your travel dates of Feb. 19-27, 2008 and they quote "$299.00 per week/$458.94 total" which equates to 1 week @ $299/week plus 1 day @ $55/day, plus all taxes and fees:

VLF UTAH 1.50 Per Day = 12.00
SLC CRF 9.25 Percent = 33.47
Sales Tax 16.10% = 63.64

for $458.94 true total cost including all of the fees.

Notice, though on their reservation page the option for "Suburban/City Locations". Click on that and you'll see that they have a Downtown Salt Lake City location. A quote for a rental at that location lists the following additional fees:

VLF UTAH 1.50 Per Day = 6.00
Sales Tax 11.60%

So, by renting downtown instead of at the airport you save 4.5% sales tax and the entire 9.25% airport concession fee. Seeing as you're staying downtown anyway it might make more sense to pay for a cab or an airport shuttle to get to your hotel (downtown is quite close to the airport) and then rent the car downtown to save those additional fees on your car rental. Then again, the difference is only about $50 so it might not be worth the inconvenience. I don't know your travel schedule, but if you arrive in the evening, or depart early morning you could potentially eliminate a whole day of rental, too, so now we're talking savings of about $100.

(On a related note, one of the most expensive fee arrangements I've ever encountered was at the Albuquerque, New Mexico airport when I flew in to ski Taos. It basically doubled the quoted rental price.)

swix":3mcxansp said:
We were thinking of staying at Chase Suites downtown slc, would you recommend it?

I'm not personally familiar with the property. By staying downtown you are farther from the skiing, but close to exceptional dining choices. Suburban hotel properties in Sandy, Draper, Midvale, Murray, and Cottonwood Heights are all closer to the ski areas.

I just mentioned to my wife, who's from Donnacona QC that a new user from Thetford Mines was inquiring about a Utah vacation. She says that I should reply in French. I told her that if I want to make sense I'll have to reply in English. :lol:
 
tseeb":29huyzom said:
I stuck with 2WD and got a Chrysler Pacifica which was fine getting throught the snow to Park City, but would have been turned around if I tried going to Alta or Snowbird.

Actually, you wouldn't have been turned around -- you would have been kindly pointed to the adjacent park-and-ride lot, where you would have boarded the next chain-equipped UTA bus for the six-mile ride up the canyon to the ski area. How different is that from the experience at Colorado mega-resorts where you park your rental car in a remote lot and hop a shuttle bus to the lifts? No big deal, IMO.

As I've said before in other threads, I think that the need for a visitor to rent a 4WD here is highly overrated. Our current frequent storm cycle aside, I'd guess that a 2WD car is allowed up the canyon 90% of the time.
 
As far as Advantage car rental goes...they do have the best rates, and some of their vehicles are 4wd. We got a 4wd Jeep Liberty one year.

But the problem I've had with them is if you have a really early flight, there is no place to drop off the car before 6am. Their lot is a few miles from the airport and there is no one there until after 6am to take your car and to drive you to the airport. If you don't have an early flight (before 8am, b/c you'd need to drop your car off about 2 hrs prior to your flight leaving with holiday crowds, security can take a while in the morning) you'll be fine. IF you do have an early flight, you may want to switch to another company that has 24 hour (or at least early morning) service.

Just curious what you meant about "stations"? I've never heard that terminology before.
 
Sharon":en4idbab said:
As far as Advantage car rental goes...they do have the best rates, and some of their vehicles are 4wd. We got a 4wd Jeep Liberty one year.

We've rented from Advantage in SLC and been satisfied with their vehicles, but the remote location and limited hours of operations must be taken into consideration when hiring cars. We never rent 4x4's in SLC, as we usually ski in the Cottonwood Canyons and take the bus on heavy snow days. Also, we always stay in a motel on 7200S (near I-15), which is adjacent to a major bus hub. Another major parking lot is near 9200S (or 9400S). On snow days the bus probably adds no more than 15 minutes to the process of putting skis on snow.

In our experience, rental car companies (particularly in CO) are very spotty on delivering 4x4's. On websites, most do not differentiate between 4x4 or 2WD SUV's and some companies will treat customers poorly if they insist on that 4x4 they thought they were renting.

BTW, (last time I checked) the canyon road to Snowbasin requires 4x4 or chains on cars during the winter. I've never paid attention to this requirement but the road is gnarly in bad weather, so the restriction probably deserves respect during heavy snows.

Bonne Chance,
Jeff
 
Thanks for all the info. It would be nice to meet you if our paths cross in Salt Lake. Sorry about the ski stations, French takes over sometimes! Admin dit bonjour et bonne journée à ta conjointe! Au plaisir!

swix and christine

p.s.: I screwed up the translating! christine appleby (no relation to the restaurants!)
 
swix":6dgr6bvn said:
It would be nice to meet you if our paths cross in Salt Lake.

Absolutely. Email me at editor(at)firsttracksonline(dot)com as that weekend approaches.
 
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