Snowbird/Alta Next Week

JC

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Hi all,

I'm heading out to Snowbird/Alta next Thursday - Monday (staying at the Cliff Lodge) with a few guys and it looks like we're in for a freeze/thaw corn cycle.

Any advice on how to tackle the two mountains during this type of weather(i.e. how to follow the sun, where to ski in the morning, afternoon, etc.)?

Might be good chuting weather. What is the likelihood of the Baldy Chutes/Pipeline being open and what is the best time of day to hit them? Need to find some fun stuff to do if the powder isn't there. Last year I timed things perfectly, but this year my timing seems to be less than impeccable. I don't mind nice corn though! Surely beats sitting behind a desk!

Thanks!
 
North facing in the morning (upper cirque, silver fox, north chute, etc.). Mineral and baldy in the afternoon.

The baldy hike should be open. I dont know about Pipeline, but it looks pretty filled in to me. White pine gates will likely be open as well. The trees through Scotties bowl should still be pretty good depending on how the temps are. They won't get sun. Getting to them however will require some west facing that could be sloppy. Maybe best to attempt after lunch.

Other will chime in im sure.

M
 
Mineral won't be too baked by the afternoon with all that south-facing terrain? I was thinking about hitting that first thing in the morning (I think it warms up pretty quickly) and then moving to Baldy and when that got too sloppy hitting the North-facing terrain in the afternoon which doesn't change so much during the day. My instincts were the opposite of what you recommended, which is why I appreciate the advice.

Thanks for the reply.
 
Much of Mineral actually faces East and Southeast. I disagree somewhat with Skidog in that I'd hit that first.

I'm not saying this to be snarky, but honestly, the best thing would be to study a topo map and learn the aspects. Then, start the day on SE, move around to E, and finish the day on W. N anytime. Keep in mind with the early shift to Daylight Savings that West won't soften as early as it normally would. And I wouldn't worry about anything getting too sloppy yet -- it's just not that time of year. Right now I find myself wishing that some stuff would soften more.
 
I think we're talking about 50 degree highs next week, so there should be plenty of softening. Maybe some snow on the w/e? Might actually work out ok for some interesting skiing.
 
You'd be surprised. First off, even at 50 with a decent breeze and dry air the evaporational cooling can have a dramatic effect. Remember, we're talking desert here. Even when it does soften it doesn't get wet like back East, due to said evaporational effect. It was 44 degrees at 7,000 feet when we crossed Parley's Summit this morning and most surfaces barely softened. Highs at 10,000 feet are forecast to be in the low 40s through Wednesday, and mid-40s Thursday through Saturday.
 
Admin":2ygqs5mk said:
Much of Mineral actually faces East and Southeast. I disagree somewhat with Skidog in that I'd hit that first.

I'm not saying this to be snarky, but honestly, the best thing would be to study a topo map and learn the aspects. Then, start the day on SE, move around to E, and finish the day on W. N anytime. Keep in mind with the early shift to Daylight Savings that West won't soften as early as it normally would. And I wouldn't worry about anything getting too sloppy yet -- it's just not that time of year. Right now I find myself wishing that some stuff would soften more.

I just figured with the evaporative cooling that will likely take place overnight that Mineral might be pretty crunchy first thing in the morning.

I agree with Admin on all other points.

M
 
I get this weather in Utah a lot. Mineral is best about 10:30 - 12:30 on the warm days. As of Saturday off-trail was not yet consolidated; you need to stay in skier packed lines.

North facing at Snowbird was still winter snow Saturday. Tomorrow at Alta will be my last day in Utah this trip and I'll have more to report then.

Lower and mainly east-facing Snowbasin today was full-on spring. Good in the morning and gooey in the afternoon.
 
Tony Crocker":2kjdpo26 said:
I get this weather in Utah a lot. Mineral is best about 10:30 - 12:30 on the warm days. As of Saturday off-trail was not yet consolidated; you need to stay in skier packed lines.

North facing at Snowbird was still winter snow Saturday. Tomorrow at Alta will be my last day in Utah this trip and I'll have more to report then.

Lower and mainly east-facing Snowbasin today was full-on spring. Good in the morning and gooey in the afternoon.

Does "winter snow" mean packed powder? More firm than that? I used to naively assume that the low-water stuff in Utah and Colo pretty much stayed PP between storms, but after reading reports here now for a few years, that doesn't seem to be the case. I used to follow snow reports for fun, maybe 15 places semiregularly, and it seemed like Brecks' report always would say packed powder or powder until about March something, then it would switch to spring.
 
Winter snow to me means no melt/freeze. That's not to say that some runs can get quite firm after several days of no new snow and much skier traffic. What it does mean is that the conditions will be similar throughout the day. As temperatures rise more runs will get added to the melt/freeze list and thus have to be timed for optimal ski surfaces. But the steep and perfectly exposed can last a long time. Snowbird has numerous runs and variations that hold up very well in the heat, but Highboy at Alta is probably the exemplar of this.
 
SoCal Rider":1bm6s7te said:
Does "winter snow" mean packed powder? More firm than that? I used to naively assume that the low-water stuff in Utah and Colo pretty much stayed PP between storms, but after reading reports here now for a few years, that doesn't seem to be the case.
Not packed powder. Think of firm, edgeable chalk.
 
Well, looks like we might even get some snow on the last day or two of the trip. Maybe I can keep my compass in the pocket those days!
 
Alta report here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7831

Groomers good all day. Off-trail best noon and later. Some north facing stuff is also good all day, though the traverses getting to them might be unpleasant in the morning.

If you know your way around Alta and Snowbird and pay attention to the softening of various aspects, you'll do just fine.
 
Just got back from the AltaBird trip. Sorry no pics since my son absconded with the digital camera for his HS photography class, :-({|= , but here's a trip report.

Spent Thursday and Friday at The Bird in Spring conditions. Hit Mineral Basin in the morning, as this seemed to be the first part of the mountain to soften up. High speed turns down the West (East facing) side of Juniors first thing, then good corn in the Bookends and in the chutes under the Mineral Basin Express chair by late-morning. The afternoons were spent exploring the high traverse beyond the Road to Provo. We found a nice line just past the third cliff band that required a straight-line into an untouched, chalky chute that was skiing quite well. I think it is in an area called Lumpjaw Land. We also skied most of the chutes along the East Cirque traverse (from Sliver Fox to Shot 14). In general, despite the warm temps and lack of powder, we had a great time exploring the South-, East- and North-facing terrain in beautiful spring conditions. Most of the West-to-Northwest facing terrain (Baldy, Gad Chutes, Regulator Johnson, etc. was to be avoided). Many of the chute entrances were quite rocky and The Bird needed a freshing up of snow.

On Saturday we ventured over to Alta with a similar strategy. High speed groomers off the Sugarloaf chair first thing in the morning. Early lunch at the Watson Shelter. Afternoon corn off the Supreme lift (the Spiney Chutes were skiing very well) and finished off the day with a couple of laps of High Rustler, which also was in good condition, although the high entrance was a bit tricky (rocky). The least experienced skier in our party went for a high-speed thrill ride (sans skiis and poles and mainly head-first) down High Rustler from near the top almost to the bottom. I was 75% of the way down the run, when I stopped to see where the rest of the party was and I saw him sliding head-first over the bumps...eyes wide as saucers. I yelled at him to flip over and he eventually came to a stop. I explained some self-arrest techniques that I probably should have shared with him earlier. We had a good laugh over that incident over A few beer at the end of the day. =D> My only disappointment about the day at Alta was that the Baldy Chutes were closed. I had been looking forward to skiing them, especially since they were open on Friday.

On Sunday the temps dropped and everything that had frozen overnight stayed frozen. Bulletproof was the operating word of the day. We decided to stay at Snowbird. The West side of Mineral Basin was passable and we did a few runs there. We spent most of the afternoon lapping Pipeline Bowl off the Little Cloud lift. It was ok, but not great. There was actually some nice wind-blown snow that provided some decent turns. The snow started falling at around 2:30 pm. We did a couple more Little Cloud laps and finished with a couple of runs under the Peruvian chair. By the closing bell, about 2 inches had fallen and things were already starting to improve. The next day (our last day) was going to be awesome.

By Monday morning, over a foot of new snow had fallen and it was still coming down hard. We had an afternoon flight to catch and planned to ski until 1 pm. We did not intend to spend our limited time standing in line. The Peruvian Chair was closed at 9 am and the Tram had a long line, so we made our way over to Gad II and skied enjoyed face shots and over-the-head shots on STH, Broomstick, A,B,C chutes, etc. When Gad II was tracked out we headed over to Gadzoom, traversed lookers left at the top of the lift and hit the bottom half of the chutes off the West Cirque. That area had hardly been skied at all and untracked lines were everywhere. At Noon, we headed over to Peruvian and finished our trip with a couple of laps of Fields of Glory/Blackjack. Man, was it ever hard to pry ourselves off the mountain to catch our flight, but we somehow managed to do it.

The skiing this week should be unbelievable.

All-in-all, except for Sunday's bullet-proof conditions, we had an amazing week.
 
JC":3m09z3yu said:
My only disappointment about the day at Alta was that the Baldy Chutes were closed. I had been looking forward to skiing them, especially since they were open on Friday.
Basically, if you're visiting, and you want to do any of the Baldy Chutes, and they're open on a day you're there, grab them. Don't come up with any excuses to wait. Just 'cause they're open today doesn't mean they'll be open tomorrow, even if the forecast is identical.
 
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