Snowbird/Alta/Snowbasin Jan 8/9/10, 2009

Pajarito-Bred

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Note: This post is an attempt at rebuiding the original, which was brutally whisked into the cold vacuum of cyberspace as I hit the "sumbit" button on Sunday. this time I'll ctrl^C it just in case

Snowbird Thurs. Jan 8th.
I've only skied Snowbird about 12 times over the past 35 years, but still appointed myself amateur guide for myself and girlfriend, who should know better than to follow me through gates. We splurged on the tram tix, took a warm-up down Chips, then into the bowl on the Road to Provo, where there was quite a bit of nice-looking untracked. Why is nobody skiing this, I wondered? Sucked into the trap, we found plenty of breakable crust, as the wind and snow of the the previous couple of days had abused the untracked. Under the top of Little Cloud, though, each turn was a different variety of wind-buff, and actually fun to ski. We found some very nice soft snow down low, both along Gad2 and Peruvian Gulch, and some nice lightly tracked powder in the cirque. Mineral basin was closed most of the day, we could see several slides from the top of LC chair, and a very large fracture line just to the left of the top of mineral basin chair (as seen from the lift). It was a great day, and the snowbird terrain is such a blast!

Alta, Friday, Jan 9th
Snow report was 8" new, and for our first run off Collins, that seemed accurate, as we could feel the underlying wind-blasted and sun-hammered crust underneath the fresh on the west-facing bowl above the Watson Shelter. The line at Collins looked long, so we spent 4 or 5 runs on Wildcat, where the conditions were excellent, felt like 18" deep, and the upper bowls/lower chutes and slots were full of grins. Next we headed over to supreme, as Sugarloaf gates were still closed, and found plenty more powder. The traverse back to Watson Shelter was brutally windy, but the brew and chili helped us forget. (I don't remember the shelter being such a nice place)
We took the high traverse out towards high rustler (too high, apparently, as we found ourselves staring into Greeley bowl, where the snow was fabulous. An even greater day!
I was amazed at the number of skiers on mega-fat boards like the K2 Pontoon, reverse camber, and backwards sidecut, I guess you could ski that light fluff on damn near anything, like whiskey-barrel staves (with one magnificent exception!). Too bad my license to laugh at ridiculous ski shapes has been revoked, since I just got a pair of Scotty-Bob "Fat Bastards" for telemark.

Snowbasin, Saturday, Jan 10th
Met up with some older and younger family for today, locals who know how to navigate the mountain. I hadn't skiied Snowbasin in decent snow conditions in about 10 years, there's been a couple of changes since then. We spent the morning on the fast groomers off the Needles gondola, as the winds at the top of Strawberry were fierce. there were some bits of nice wind-buff especially near the top. We took one run up the Olympic Tram (more like a Tram-dola) 15-passenger, single cable, no towers at all between the base and top stations.
Lunch at John Paul lodge was actually less spendy and better than Alta/Snowbird. The new lodges really test my tolerance for opulence, what with all the gold-plated chandeliers, granite cafeteria counters, red persian-rug-style carpeting, etc & etc. Yet another great day!

The terrain at all three areas is such a blast, and I got started thinking about how much of Colorado terrain consists of wide, smooth boulevards bulldozed through lodgepole pine forests, compared to the joy of exploring the chutes and slots and bowls, twists and turns of each Utah run.
 
Pajarito-Bred":l4dx2rdi said:
(I don't remember the shelter being such a nice place)

New two years ago. The old building dated back to the 1930s.

Pajarito-Bred":l4dx2rdi said:
We took the high traverse out towards high rustler (too high, apparently, as we found ourselves staring into Greeley bowl, where the snow was fabulous.

Not too high at all. The only proper way to reach High Rustler is to out the T, cross over Piss Pass, then stay high by traversing across the top of Greeley Bowl.

Pajarito-Bred":l4dx2rdi said:
The terrain at all three areas is such a blast, and I got started thinking about how much of Colorado terrain consists of wide, smooth boulevards bulldozed through lodgepole pine forests, compared to the joy of exploring the chutes and slots and bowls, twists and turns of each Utah run.

Very true.
 
"The terrain at all three areas is such a blast, and I got started thinking about how much of Colorado terrain consists of wide, smooth boulevards bulldozed through lodgepole pine forests, compared to the joy of exploring the chutes and slots and bowls, twists and turns of each Utah run."


Methinks your on to something here, 'cept for Loveland, Aspen, Back Bowls, etc.... :snowball fight:
 
Admin":vje59bbh said:
Pajarito-Bred":vje59bbh said:
We took the high traverse out towards high rustler (too high, apparently, as we found ourselves staring into Greeley bowl, where the snow was fabulous.

Not too high at all. The only proper way to reach High Rustler is to out the T, cross over Piss Pass, then stay high by traversing across the top of Greeley Bowl.
And if you follow the most obvious lines down after doing all that, there's still an excellent chance you won't be on High Rustler! O:)
 
Marc_C":hhunppyv said:
And if you follow the most obvious lines down after doing all that, there's still an excellent chance you won't be on High Rustler! O:)

Took me a few trips to actually find it to (at least I think I did). It's that last sidestep up the knoll that I needed the Powderhounds Guide to Alta to figure out. I think it should look like this from the very top. BTW-dropping in this high was a mistake my skis had to pay for.
DSCN0056.JPG
 
socal":1tgiao4k said:
Took me a few trips to actually find it to (at least I think I did).
Judging by your picture, yes, you did find it.
socal":1tgiao4k said:
It's that last sidestep up the knoll that I needed the Powderhounds Guide to Alta to figure out. I think it should look like this from the very top. BTW-dropping in this high was a mistake my skis had to pay for.
There are multiple, other ways in, lower down the ridge. It all depends on coverage on any given day and how many before you have mercilessly side-slipped the upper entrances.
 
How steep is high rustler? Does it compare to the shoots? I've never made it there, I guess because I don't have the patience to get there with the traverses and all, so I don't really know what makes it so special. I don't doubt that it's special, however, and as a trail it receives many an accolade, so there has to be something there. I just want to to know what it is.
 
rfarren":12l71621 said:
How steep is high rustler? Does it compare to the shoots? I've never made it there, I guess because I don't have the patience to get there with the traverses and all, so I don't really know what makes it so special. I don't doubt that it's special, however, and as a trail it receives many an accolade, so there has to be something there. I just want to to know what it is.

i too do not usually have the patience for traverses in general and especially that usually heinous high t, but it is a pretty darn special shot when you get high rustler and or rustler 4 untracked or even 2nd tracks. i've only gotten it once or twice as i used to just lap the unnamed? shots off of the early high t while most other folks just had to go all the way out. i'll never forget the day in dec of 95 when i was lapping those early high t shots in my leathers all by my lonesome. i got down to the lift to go back up to ski the refill all over again when i ran into a bunch of fellow alta lodge roomies and they asked where i'd been skiing all morning as my grin was a bit brighter than theirs. one of the guys, semi famous k2 athlete, dan caruso and crew decided to follow me to, my way too easy to get to, "stash".after one run, those guys didn't want to ski anything else that day as the wind was just right and folks just weren't willing to drop off of the high t that early. now if i can only find my "powderhounds guide to burke mountain". LOL :D
rog
 
icelanticskier":2wlpzlw0 said:
i've only gotten it once or twice as i used to just lap the unnamed? shots off of the early high t

They're named. They're all named.
 
On average High Rustler is not quite as steep as Main or Little Chute, which maintain their 40+ pitch all the way. High Rustler is like most in-bounds alpine steeps, steepest at the top, then moderating some. I do not mention skiing High Rustler my first day in Alta in 1981, but I did the second time in 1986. I have a vague recollection that I went looking for it in 1981 and eventually ended up in the Eagle's Nest trees.
 
Tony Crocker":34xw52r5 said:
On average High Rustler is not quite as steep as Main or Little Chute, which maintain their 40+ pitch all the way. High Rustler is like most in-bounds alpine steeps, steepest at the top, then moderating some.

Although true, I'd be surprised if there's any of High Boy that dips below the high 30s. While the top is indeed the steepest, it doesn't truly mellow out dramatically until just above the Collins road. The thing about High Boy is that its so relentless...it's Alta's Energizer Bunny run for over 1,200 verts. By contrast, the Baldy Chutes run for only 800 verts:

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Tony Crocker":34xw52r5 said:
I do not mention skiing High Rustler my first day in Alta in 1981, but I did the second time in 1986. I have a vague recollection that I went looking for it in 1981 and eventually ended up in the Eagle's Nest trees.

You really, truly have to know where you're going, have an amazing sense of place or be extremely lucky to end up at the very top of High Boy.
 
I thought I did pretty well finding it on the second try, though I probably just followed someone. At least's it not a blind entrance. Once you get there, you can see all the way down and you know you're in the right place.
 
Next time I'm out there I'll try my best to get to High Rustler. I probably wouldn't go for it on a powder day, as I most likely wouldn't find it, and not knowing where I'm going I would probably be better off just skiing the most untracked that I can get. A better strategy for me would be: see it then ski it.
 
rfarren":2lfv8qsf said:
A better strategy for me would be: see it then ski it.

Most visitors follow this strategy, which is why those who know where they're going can continue to score untracked at "tracked-out Alta."
 
Admin":571fyyot said:
rfarren":571fyyot said:
A better strategy for me would be: see it then ski it.

Most visitors follow this strategy, which is why those who know where they're going can continue to score untracked at "tracked-out Alta."

I've never had a problem getting fresh tracks during or after a storm at Alta. I do follow the openings. Nonetheless, maybe next time I'm out there and it dumps I'll meet up with you guys, that is if you'll let me.
 
Watson Line
Annie's
Jake's
No Name
Santa Claus
Jitterbug
Christmas Tree

These are now all on the map, although they're not any easier to find from the High T since, fortunately, there are still no signs up there.
 
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