Snowbird/Alta, UT 5/23/2010

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Day 63: Smooth, baby. Smooooooooooth.

With a hard refreeze overnight -- Hidden Peak was 15ºF this morning -- smooth was the order of the day. The trick would be to find terrain that hadn't been skied this week, and we found it at Alta.

Tele Jon, Bobby Danger and I convened on the Tram Plaza at 8 a.m. and headed up with patroller Steve and girlfriend Heather. Steve and Heather, however, would push off toward Mark Malou Fork as the three of us went the other way out what the TGR kiddies are now calling the "Secret Traverse" -- not that there's anything secret about it -- en route to Alta. We were momentarily diverted, however, by the terrain beneath Baldy Express, for it was a perfectly smooth, unskied base topped by an inch or two of light wind-sifted sugar. Divine.

Back up MBE, we went back out the Secret Traverse, which coincidentally was a sadistic refrozen hell today, and resumed our original plan, bootpacking up to Sugarloaf Pass where a stiff wind kept things mighty cold.

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Once off the ridgeline, however, the wind calmed and we headed straight to Yellow Trail.

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Perfectly smooth, perfectly untracked, it was positively, well...perfect.

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We traversed across an avalanche debris-strewn Backside and instead went all the way across to Greeley Slot, finding more of the untracked smooth goodness.

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Back at the base of Alta, Amy was en route up the canyon and agreed to pick us up at Goldminer's Daughter. Too bad she got pulled over speeding up the canyon. Good thing the sheriff's deputy only gave her a warning.

Taking the opportunity, we moved three vehicles up to the Wildcat lot at Alta, for it was apparent that Alta would deliver the goods today.

Our second lap was much of the same, back down Yellow Trail and this time to Greeley Hill. Good, good stuff.

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At this point Amy and I would leave, as she had to catch a plane back to work in Hawaii and I was feeling rather beat. Bobby and Jon would take two more Alta laps before the close of Snowbird at 2 p.m., the last up to Sugarloaf Peak and out to Devil's Castle by traversing out behind the ridge. I hear that it was three inches or so of windsift atop a perfectly smooth base, top to bottom.

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Like I said, smooth, baby. Smoooooooooth. And here's a video to prove it, the first one I've shot all year:

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Here a couple of pictures from today over at snowbird. Snow was much softer than we expected maybe because we got over there at 11 am. Spent most of the day in little cloud, did a couple of mineral laps which where untracked and quite good, then did some Cirque. Headed over to Alta in the am, hope admin left us some snow. Here is a super short video as well. http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1484571714197&ref=mf

On another note what do you guys think about tomorrow, are we allowed to ski Baldy over at the Bird since its OFFICIALLY considered backcountry now?
 
day 75....... proclamation- no one on the north american continent skied anything like the conditions that were available today in l.c.c. ... a little snowbird and a ton of alta !! tele jon - admin and i made one lone run in snowbird this morning first thing only because it was untracked and no more effort was required to achieve it . then it was off to alta for the beginning of smoooothness everywhere . anyone who has moved beyond the high intermediate stage in skiing would have died for a days conditions like todays !! it shows in the video to some extent but really being out there is so much more .. we used snowbirds tram for the up hill part and alta for the downhill part completely alone .. after departing admin on the bypass road tele jon and i got a quick lunch that ended up not being so quick so there was only one run after lunch might as well go round the universe --- back out the cham . one backcountry gate for the last time today which was no softer conditions than the first trip in the morn only shaved down really smoooth from other people har d to get an edge in the side of the hill when it's pounded that smooth and frozen !!! hiked to sugarloaf pass for the fourth time today except this time we hiked to the summit of sugarloaf peak ( about fourty min. from where we started in snowbird) -- summited at two thirty with no one else in albion basin to be seen .. we headed east from the summit of sugarloaf peak out the ridge line staring at devils castle :bow: from the shoulder we skied along the base of the cliffs with one big long un-interrupeted line down through cabin hill out to the summit of cecret lift . two or three inches of loose snow on 100% supportable smoooth . tele jon got some nice pics. from the summit looking west back at snowbird a different view for sure .
 
mbaydala":2czo9htv said:
On another note what do you guys think about tomorrow, are we allowed to ski Baldy over at the Bird since its OFFICIALLY considered backcountry now?
No. You still have to cross Snowbird terrain, which is officially closed to traffic, and Snowbird is privately owned and not on NFS land as is Alta.
So Alta side of Baldy is fine - Snowbird side means you can be arrested.

But a better question....

With the 10's of thousands of acres of Wasatch backcountry available with the same amount of effort as skinning/hiking AltaBird, what the hell is the continued fascination of skiing established ski areas when they're closed? If you have to skin/hike 3.5K vert to get to the top of Baldy, why not go over Cardiff Pass and ski Benson & Hedges or any of the other 10K acres back there? Or Grizzley Gulch? Or Wolverine Cirque? Or the stuff in Lamb's Canyon? Or Millcreek? Or Broads Fork? Or......
 
BobbyDanger":3lbgpld2 said:
no one on the north american continent skied anything like the conditions that were available today in l.c.c.
Watching that video, I'm inclined to agree those were rare conditions. :drool: Not corn, snow was too new for that. If there had been more new snow it would have been cement in the sun. So the key must have been the smooth subsurface that bonded to just enough new snow instead of staying frozen granular. My closest experience may have been after the 3 days of rain to 12,000 feet in the Sierra at New Year's 1997. That storm ended at Mammoth with about 7 inches of dense snow. The top opened a couple of days later (wind and control work) and skied much as described here. Sort of like skiing powder over a groomed run except of course you can do it on more interesting terrain. I'm guessing from the video that wide skis were still the tool of choice.

FYI Mammoth has not seen much of the usual May corn machine this year. There have been a lot of cold and windy days, confining most skiers to the groomers. There have been a few inches new snow here and there, but May 11 as posted in snowboard247's TR has been the only good powder day this month from what I've read on Mammoth Forum. Hopefully Mammoth will start getting some more normal weather by the time I get up there next weekend.
 
Marc_C":ubc0lrjk said:
But a better question....

With the 10's of thousands of acres of Wasatch backcountry available with the same amount of effort as skinning/hiking AltaBird, what the hell is the continued fascination of skiing established ski areas when they're closed? If you have to skin/hike 3.5K vert to get to the top of Baldy, why not go over Cardiff Pass and ski Benson & Hedges or any of the other 10K acres back there? Or Grizzley Gulch? Or Wolverine Cirque? Or the stuff in Lamb's Canyon? Or Millcreek? Or Broads Fork? Or.....

Well for me, I like to ski what I know. I "feel" more comfortable, I know my shots, and I know my exits. I also know that If I don't feel comfortable skiing main bowl for whatever situation, I know where there are other options to return down the mountain with less risk, as opposed to being in new terrain with limited visibility and not knowing my surroundings. I don't personally do much touring other than out the sidecountry gates at Canyons and also early and late season at Alta/Bird.

Other members of our group tomorrow are contemplating skiing Grizzley gulch and Wolverine, I actually said I'd rather stay away from those zones because I have no real knowledge of those zones and wouldn't be bringing anything to the table knowledge wise. That being said I do trust them enough to follow and learn from them.
 
Tony Crocker":3jij7c2k said:
Watching that video, I'm inclined to agree those were rare conditions. :drool:

"Rare"? No, not in May in the Wasatch. I've skied similar snow in 5 out of the past 6 years in May.

Tony Crocker":3jij7c2k said:
If there had been more new snow it would have been cement in the sun.

Not at 15ºF this morning. That frigid overnight low (and it was only a few degrees warmer on Saturday morning) meant that there's a lot of thermal mass to that snowpack. Yesterday was special, with the 9" or so of new. What surprised me was today -- in the cold, dry air overnight the moisture just evaporated out of the surface. Yesterday's 9" consolidated to about 3" by later yesterday afternoon, but overnight it just dried out and melded with the firm base to yield positively delightful skiing today. I was as surprised as anyone. And those who stayed in-bounds at Snowbird today have no idea what they were missing -- anything that got skied yesterday was like refrozen railroad tracks today that never softened. That's why we spent our day at Alta.

Tony Crocker":3jij7c2k said:
I'm guessing from the video that wide skis were still the tool of choice.

Fat skis are always the tool of choice here. Then again, my 135-108-124 sticks are skinny compared to some stuff that gets used around here.
 
Skrad":2c50td79 said:
Broad's Fork is vulnerable to large glide avalanches in the spring.

Of course with tonight's weather, which is forecast to leave another foot of new snow, all bets are off for tomorrow. However, speaking solely about today, that snowpack was rock stable. Absolutely nothing was going to budge it.
 
Here are a few pictures of our final run over the Sugarloaf summit. They are from my cell phone, so the quality is not all that great
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The castle delivers the goods and as you can see there is more on the way.
 
Thanks, Jon! It certainly is a different view from that angle, one that I was anxious to see. Not so anxious, though, that my body could've endured that hike at the end of the day yesterday.

And for those outside of Utah, it's snowing heavily all the way to the floor of the Salt Lake Valley this morning. Awoke to a white lawn and trees and had to brush the snow off my car this morning. At higher elevations in the Valley, i.e. above 4600 feet or so, overpasses, etc. are a bit slick.

On May 24th.
 
telejon":2w3uilk6 said:
Here are a few pictures of our final run over the Sugarloaf summit. They are from my cell phone, so the quality is not all that great...
Start carrying a real camera!

telejon":2w3uilk6 said:
The castle delivers the goods and as you can see there is more on the way.
37F at my house at 4960' and snowing this morning.
 
Broke 600" for the season today, baby! \:D/ Another 9" new as of 10:40 a.m. today and still snowing. 602" season to date as of this morning.
 
mbaydala":1s2zdg7x said:
Well for me, I like to ski what I know. I "feel" more comfortable, I know my shots, and I know my exits. I also know that If I don't feel comfortable skiing main bowl for whatever situation, I know where there are other options to return down the mountain with less risk, as opposed to being in new terrain with limited visibility and not knowing my surroundings. I don't personally do much touring other than out the sidecountry gates at Canyons and also early and late season at Alta/Bird.

Other members of our group tomorrow are contemplating skiing Grizzley gulch and Wolverine, I actually said I'd rather stay away from those zones because I have no real knowledge of those zones and wouldn't be bringing anything to the table knowledge wise. That being said I do trust them enough to follow and learn from them.
In that case the answer is simple: time to get out there and start learning terrain!
 
admin":2bpqg3io said:
anything that got skied yesterday was like refrozen railroad tracks today that never softened. That's why we spent our day at Alta.
I've seen enough late season snow to understand that call very well. I may be looking for slackcountry shots in parts of Mammoth closed since 4/18 this coming weekend with the same rationale depending upon how this week's storm goes. Perhaps worth stashing an extra vehicle somewhere. Also worth bringing along the BD Verdict skis.
 
but really the only places that were frozen tracks were the places that managed too heat up enough on sat. low on the mtn. for sure . the upper cirque was fine all day - silver fox from what i could see going over in the tram . the picture that jon took from the summit of sugarloaf looking at devils castle you can see the oncoming snow just to the east of l.c.c. and albion basin jon said he saw a single lighting bolt but there was no thunder i never saw it !!! we came upon a single man standing about half way up the ascent he had to have been in his mid sixties to late sixties no clue to were or how he got there i never saw him on the ascent before hand and at that point it wasn't cloudy he was the only other person seen all afternoon and have no clue as to where he went . :shock: :shock: !! the pic . looking back west at baldy gives one a whole new experience looking at that peak . perlas almost looks like a mini cirque with the way the sliver moon shaped ridge runs west . and looking back west from the castle saddle at the summit look a little left in the pic. that will become skiable terrain when the base of mineral basin express is moved further down the canyon . there is no skiable terrain off the south running ridge on the west side for that is the summit of sugar cliffs. super super special weekend thank you
 
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