Snowbird-Alta, UT 6/19/2010

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Day 68: To quote Monty Python from the Holy Grail, "But I'm not dead yet!"

I thought my season was done, but then Snowbird decided to open this weekend after all and the forecast was glorious. I shelved plans to kayak camp Flaming Gorge this weekend in favor of Snowbird.

I took my time getting up there today, arriving at 9:15. Little did I realize, nor did I expect that things would set up so firmly overnight so in the end my late arrival was the right decision. Of course, despite my leisurely start I still forgot my camera today and had to use the cell phone. #-o I bumped into Kelly and Karan on the tram dock, and then in strolled Bobby Danger who was getting a late start as well. Tele Jon was already riding Little Cloud.

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Bobby and I arrived at the top of Little Cloud at the same time as Jon. Kelly and Karan headed off to Mark Malou, and the rest of us to Regulator Johnson, which was edgeable, yet firm and fast.

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We regrouped, and despite Snowbird's announcement earlier this week that they'd allow only one trip up the Tram, they were permitting Tram laps, so we headed for Diagonal Chute in the upper Cirque.

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Absolutely glorious! I'd expected glue once I got out onto the Cirque apron, but surprisingly it remained fast and fairly smooth, perfect for high-speed GS arcs.

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Below there things got iffy. Anderson's Hill was quite pleasant, but getting out across the flats to Phone 3 was sticky. Phone 3 itself was fine, and the manmade ribbon on lower Chip's Face was corned up nicely. All in all, despite appearances we were able to get back to the base with only one 30-foot dismount and a walk of about 300 yards at the bottom.

Kelly and Karan had spotted a van at Alta, so back up the Tram and up Mount Baldy we went. Most of the hike by now is on the summer trail, and before long we were standing atop Baldy drinking in the views of the Wasatch.

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Right as we arrived from Snowbird, a backcountry skier named Rob came skinning up the other side. He joined us relaxing at the summit for a bit, and followed us into Main Chute.

Main Chute was absolutely divine. Smooth, wall-to-wall coverage with no suncups and minimal rocks that had fallen in from the walls.

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Unlike Snowbird, Alta is still well-covered top to bottom. We rocked down Saddle and through Pinball Gulley, ending on Corkscrew.

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For those who doubt that Alta gets more snow, here's the lower mountain at Alta:

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and at Snowbird:

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The others took a final Baldy lap while I browsed around Snowbird's Brewfest for a bit.

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It was just beginning to ramp up as I left.

A beautiful Saturday on the first weekend of meteorological summer.
 
that was some of the coldest snow in three weeks on reg first run - not bullet proof but not far from it !! facing north west so that meant that there was a corn cycle happening . off to the upper cirque we actually skied shot twelve not diagonal east facing was amazing one inch corn on smooth fast sub surface . this only meant that main chute was going to be good ! and man was it pretty much the same conditions as the upper cirque an hour before . not to many rocks mixed in but there were some mostly the size of red spuds . skied to the base via the saddle down the gully at the base . only one place to dismount the skies - at the top of corkscrew to get across the summer road alta plowed a month ago....- did a second lap of main chute after a quick lunch on the deck (lots of people showing up for the brewfest today) . 2:00 p.m. tram there were more sightseers than skiers .
 
Bobby Danger":3rc68z05 said:
only one place to dismount the skies - at the top of corkscrew to get across the summer road alta plowed a month ago

Not necessarily! :lol:
 
right when we returned to that same spot the snow bridge across was gone !! it was nice having snowbird not enforce the one tram ride but instead let us roam free. you had to know where to go to find snow to the base . alta's a whole different story . as one can tell from the pic. gonna meet tele jon 7:45 a.m. g.m.d. upper cirque should be good from the get go .
 
jamesdeluxe":1uujkbvt said:
Here we go again with more of the camera tilting that got Skidog in trouble a while back. :lol:

Nope, look at Point Supreme in the background. That horizon's level.
 
For those who doubt that Alta gets more snow
A lot of that is the 700 foot difference in base elevation, which is often critical to the disparity in early season conditions. The official patrol measurements at Snowbird are from the snowboard in the shade of the tram building at 8,100, so no surprise 12% lower than Alta. At equal elevation I think there's still a difference, but less.

I'm surprised there was not more suncupping at mid and lower elevations at Alta. Mammoth had the same favorable weather, but off trail you needed to stay in skier-packed lines.
 
Tony Crocker":3pz32fio said:
The official patrol measurements at Snowbird are from the snowboard in the shade of the tram building at 8,100, so no surprise 12% lower than Alta.

And the official mountain measurements are from the Gad 2 snow plot at 9942'.

Tony Crocker":3pz32fio said:
A lot of that is the 700 foot difference in base elevation...At equal elevation I think there's still a difference, but less.

Try again. The base of the Tram is 8000' (although the end of the skiing in Peruvian Gulch is closer to 8100'). The Wildcat end of Alta's Transfer Tow is 8530', which is well below Rothman Way at Snowbird:

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So here, I've drawn an approximate 8530-foot line on the Snowbird photo:

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<sigh>
Did I not suggest yesterday that despite irrefutable photo evidence, there would be "data" showing that the photos are obviously incorrect?
 
Marc_C":2ev6q9ti said:
<sigh>
Did I not suggest yesterday that despite irrefutable photo evidence, there would be "data" showing that the photos are obviously incorrect?

Yes. And I recall that we all had a good laugh over it, too. Honestly, I was ready for the argument as it was so predictable. :roll:
 
admin":65a66uov said:
And the official mountain measurements are from the Gad 2 snow plot at 9942'.
Does anybody collect and save those? This is not the first year that Snowbird patrol has told me that their data is from the snow board near the tram base. They said that in-season website/marketing quotes are estimates from higher up.

I have never disputed who gets more snow. I have frequently opined that in early season Alta's snowfall advantage more than offsets Snowbird's terrain superiority. :stir:
 
Tony Crocker":1cxz0i1c said:
I have frequently opined that in early season Alta's snowfall advantage more than offsets Snowbird's terrain superiority. :stir:
This weekend, Alta had the far superior terrain.
And is it just me or is anyone else pretty much totally fed-up with the Tram?
 
Marc_C":3ikekb9z said:
Tony Crocker":3ikekb9z said:
I have frequently opined that in early season Alta's snowfall advantage more than offsets Snowbird's terrain superiority. :stir:
This weekend, Alta had the far superior terrain.
And is it just me or is anyone else pretty much totally fed-up with the Tram?

I've never been a fan of trams or gondis, apart from the obvious technological appeal. Gimme a chair any day.
 
Admin":jx7o9gtz said:
I've never been a fan of trams or gondis, apart from the obvious technological appeal. Gimme a chair any day.

Me too, such a hassle having to take your gear off and put it back on. It kinda works at Snowbird since it's such a long trip up and a place like Jackson Hole it makes sense. At Mammoth, when they have the top open and no chair 23 it's a pain since the ride up from McCoy is so short.
 
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