Snowbird and Alta, UT 5/16/09 (incl. photos & video)

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Day 62: Not quite last Sunday

Bobby Danger and I met up at 9 a.m. and once again headed straight to Alta, repeating last Sunday's Yellow Trail/Backside/Greeley Hill run. While it was still quite good it didn't live up to expectations after last Sunday, for this week's sun surprisingly sun-cupped everything, something that didn't happen last year until mid-June.

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A brief unedited video clip of Bobby Danger skiing Yellow Trail -- watch those skis bounce around on the sun cups:

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And I mean everything was sun-cupped. In-bounds at Snowbird, there were small but stubborn sun cups everywhere that hadn't been groomed. Stuff wasn't getting skied to take them down, either, as just about everyone there was sticking to the groomers. It just wasn't the smooth goodness that I had expected after last weekend's experience.

Anything below Little Cloud and all of Peruvian Gulch is now officially "backcountry," although my best run of the day was a Mark Malou Fork down to Bassackwards, Big Emma and Bass Highway back to the tram at lunchtime, all of which had been groomed despite the backcountry designation. I'm surprised that they went to the designated backcountry policy this early, for there's hardly a bare spot to be found, even on the lower mountain. Marc_C just phoned me from the top of Hidden Peak, and it sounds like today's a carbon copy of yesterday.

Lunch was downright hot on the Tram Plaza, as a band set up to keep the afternoon crowds entertained. Bumped into Salida and Grizz on the patio, but they quickly abandoned us for another table with younger members of the opposite gender -- go figure.

We wrapped up after lunch with a Great Scott, that's still got wall-to-wall coverage with the rock in the middle of the first turn just barely starting to appear. Bobby headed for Dalton's to keep skiing, I headed home as things got really gloppy and sticky from the Blackjack gate on down.

And I'm staying home today. I just wasn't inspired yesterday. I'm thinking that the call of summer activities is starting to take its hold on me.
 
Bigger Suncups = Bigger stiffer skis

Things that were skied Saturday skied great sunday. Baldy chutes mostly. Northfacing seems to have escpaed some of the suncupping.
 
trimming the patrol staff to summer time ranks is the reason for all the backcountry. the backcountry gate on the ridge between mineral & peruivan is so that the beginners can get into mineral ( via lupine loop ) without going backcountry. that backcountry gate will come up to tower four when snowbird closes mineral for the season. but it's kind of nice right now booted up the shoulder on my last run yesterdayto the baldy summit ( main chute - high rustler combo last run) no one around late in the day at alta.did that solo.
 
Admin":1kjgpvuc said:
While it was still quite good it didn't live up to expectations after last Sunday, for this week's sun surprisingly sun-cupped everything...
Um, after witnessing the sun cups on similar aspects and elevation at the Bird, why would there be the expectation that things were smoother at Alta?

Like Salida said, you either needed to hit the previously skied lines or search out where things were smooth and supportable. Excellent and essentially smooth, non-sun-cupped pitches today included:
the NE facing apron in Powder Paradise below the rock outcrop that you round prior to the Hillary Step (did that twice - too bad it doesn't go for 1500')
Hoopie's off of Knucklehead
Upper Primrose
Colossus with Eye of the Duck/Eye of the Needle exits.
Great Scott
Jaws

And if you were willing to hike, Old Reliable and Baldy's Bowl (and the associated chutes leading into it off of the N ridge of AF Twins).
 
Marc_C":1xdv4p2p said:
Admin":1xdv4p2p said:
While it was still quite good it didn't live up to expectations after last Sunday, for this week's sun surprisingly sun-cupped everything...
Um, after witnessing the sun cups on similar aspects and elevation at the Bird, why would there be the expectation that things were smoother at Alta?

Expectations were based on what I had skied a mere 6 days earlier, not based on what was observed the same day at Snowbird.
 
Admin":dey0x90a said:
Expectations were based on what I had skied a mere 6 days earlier, not based on what was observed the same day at Snowbird.
Oh. Well, it is May - the lightening round or the Final Jeopardy round, where scores can really change!
 
I'm with MarcC on this. Anything with as much direct sun as Yellow Trail is going to get hammered hard when it's warm. But last weekend's schlep out there starts to make more sense. Short window of opportunity, so worth getting when it's that good.

I suspect Mammoth has undergone similar changes, since Main Lodge temps last Saturday were reported a toasty 71F. Hopefully the weather predictions will hold and temps will be more normal for Memorial weekend. But I would still expect to stick to north facing and/or skier packed for the best surface conditions.

A question that crosses my mind: Lower water content snow = more air in the snow = easier for suncupping to develop?
 
Tony Crocker":so1sdl88 said:
I'm with MarcC on this. Anything with as much direct sun as Yellow Trail is going to get hammered hard when it's warm. But last weekend's schlep out there starts to make more sense. Short window of opportunity, so worth getting when it's that good.

I suspect Mammoth has undergone similar changes, since Main Lodge temps last Saturday were reported a toasty 71F. Hopefully the weather predictions will hold and temps will be more normal for Memorial weekend. But I would still expect to stick to north facing and/or skier packed for the best surface conditions.

A question that crosses my mind: Lower water content snow = more air in the snow = easier for suncupping to develop?


Unfortunately Alta set a record high yesterday of 70 degrees. Old record was 66.....its heating up fast...should get slightly cooler towards the end of the week, but most definitely not hard freezes.

I for one am hoping for one of those late May storms...

M
 
Skidog":1zxmrwy7 said:
Unfortunately Alta set a record high yesterday of 70 degrees. Old record was 66.....its heating up fast...
Sunday night the low at 10.5K' was around 46F. Last night it was in the low 50's, not dropping to 49F till 7am. SLC hit 91F yesterday. Lines that were skiable last weekend may become pretty sketch by Friday (I'm thinking of Pipeline, specifically, the crux of getting to the top of it.)
 
Marc_C":3rvzhxxw said:
Skidog":3rvzhxxw said:
Unfortunately Alta set a record high yesterday of 70 degrees. Old record was 66.....its heating up fast...
Sunday night the low at 10.5K' was around 46F. Last night it was in the low 50's, not dropping to 49F till 7am. SLC hit 91F yesterday. Lines that were skiable last weekend may become pretty sketch by Friday (I'm thinking of Pipeline, specifically, the crux of getting to the top of it.)


I'd tend to agree...Pipeline is likely done...old reliable, and some of the stuff off the back of the twins though might still be good. Mary Ellen Gulch...

M
 
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