Snowbird Patrol Data, 2010-11

Tony Crocker

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Snowbird ski patrol maintains long term data since the ski area opened from a snowboard plot behind the tram building at 8,100 feet. So I am used to seeing snowfall numbers lower than reported online during the season. There is a SNOTEL at mid-Gad but SNOTELs only measure water content.

This season is perhaps the most extreme example of disparity between base and mid-mountain snowfall at Snowbird. Nov. 1 - May 31 snowfall at the tram base was 560 inches. Patrol said that the difference between base and upper locations was unusually large this year due to a lot of warmer storms where the snow was very wet at the base. Water content of 66.45 inches (excluding 2 inches rain on MLK day) was 11.9%, which is closer to Mammoth's average of 12.9% than Snowbird's 8.5%. February was the only month under 10% water content.

I asked a few other questions that have been discussed on FTO. Patrol did not have an explanation for why the mountain was so busy (other than lots of powder days) but patrol likes the crowds because skier traffic stabilizes the snow better. Overall snowpack was more stable than usual this season, so terrain was in general opened more quickly on powder days because of that.

Patrol did confirm admin's impression that summer sightseeing business is very strong, so strong that Peruvian as well as the tram operate for sightseers on summer weekends. In normal years Memorial Day weekend is when the sightseeing traffic starts, though skiing is still going 80-90% of seasons. That is the reason for May vs. June tram maintenance. This year's tram maintenance was more involved because they replaced all the glass. Patrol did not have an explanation for permanent shutdown of Gadzoom before the end of April. Since tram maintenance is in May each season, I think there is a strong case for Gadzoom being available to support the busiest days.

For the past 6 years Alta has posted online daily snowfall info which I have used. Everyone says that data is from a Collins plot at mid-mountain. I suspect older historical data is from the base area and plan to call Alta to clarify. I don't expect a huge difference but I always try to avoid mixed data. Snowbird patrol agrees that snowfall declines substantially on the lowest 500 vertical of its terrain.
 
Tony Crocker":1ptrzygf said:
Since tram maintenance is in May each season, I think there is a strong case for Gadzoom being available to support the busiest days.
Fine. As we've said earlier, don't whine about it here - take it up with Snowbird management.
 
Marc_C":3ckg23ki said:
Tony Crocker":3ckg23ki said:
Since tram maintenance is in May each season, I think there is a strong case for Gadzoom being available to support the busiest days.
Fine. As we've said earlier, don't whine about it here - take it up with Snowbird management.
What would be the point of a forum then?
 
rfarren":8xnhb1qk said:
Marc_C":8xnhb1qk said:
Tony Crocker":8xnhb1qk said:
Since tram maintenance is in May each season, I think there is a strong case for Gadzoom being available to support the busiest days.
Fine. As we've said earlier, don't whine about it here - take it up with Snowbird management.
What would be the point of a forum then?
There's really not anything left to discuss on the topic. Tony mentioning it yet again, instead of taking it to where it might make a difference, is merely beating an already quite dead and maggot infested equine carcass.
 
MarcC":wqexhmre said:
There's really not anything left to discuss on the topic.
In the course of calling for end of season snow data I chose to ask my Snowbird patrol contact some of the questions raised during the spring. Some but not all were answered, and some of the answers were in fact supportive of MarcC's and admin's positions. MarcC continuing to make snide remarks only reinforces his reputation on this forum.
icelanticskier":wqexhmre said:
Marc... you grumpy ole goat
 
Speaking of Icelanticskier, I went for a hike today on the Franconia Ridgeline. I saw no snow anywhere. What do you suppose he is skiing on?
 
Snowbird was on the front page of the New York Times today. The article did not touch on the Gadzoom controversy.
 
Since at least 1999 (when I first started going there) Alta's snow data has been from the Collins snow plot at about mid-mountain. I suspect that this location has been in use for a lot longer than that.
 
The Collins snow plot is hidden in the trees directly behind where the old Collins double used to terminate, right at the top of Taint. It's roped off throughout the season to prevent disturbance.

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Skrad":15qz80w5 said:
Snowbird was on the front page of the New York Times today. The article did not touch on the Gadzoom controversy.

:rotfl:

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Tony Crocker":n16mru87 said:
MarcC continuing to make snide remarks only reinforces his reputation on this forum.
Are you being intentionally obtuse, or do you really not see the point: continuing to rail here about Gadzoom not running on a busy day really doesn't accomplish anything. If you want to see the policy change, discuss it with Snowbird. We're aware of your position - repeating it just gets, well, repetitive.

And your reputation on this forum of repeatedly arguing the same points year after year after being soundly proven incorrect on those points year after year is quite intact.
 
Tony Crocker":1qyujvmm said:
MarcC continuing to make snide remarks only reinforces his reputation on this forum.
icelanticskier":1qyujvmm said:
Marc... you grumpy ole goat

+1 that's my take too. Its summer on a ski forum, what else is there to talk about?
 
socal":ruk164sh said:
Tony Crocker":ruk164sh said:
MarcC continuing to make snide remarks only reinforces his reputation on this forum.
icelanticskier":ruk164sh said:
Marc... you grumpy ole goat

+1 that's my take too. Its summer on a ski forum, what else is there to talk about?
Um, something relevant instead of complaining?
If you guys want to whine for the next 4 months about Snowbird not running Gadzoom on a single, unexpectedly busy day deep in the spring, go for it. Just seems kinda pointless.
Also, recall that Admin pays some of us to keep the fora lively in the off-season.
Mammoth sucks.
 
MarcC":12y1fv2o said:
not running Gadzoom on a single, unexpectedly busy day deep in the spring
Actually, it would have helped a lot on April 30 as well, and I'm guessing there may have been a few more congested days. Of course, how would MarcC know, since he was conspicuously absent on the vast majority of LCC powder days during this epic season. I may have skied more powder in LCC this season than he did. :snowball fight: How much snow did Snowbird get after Gadzoom closed? At least 80 inches at the tram base at 8,100, well over 100 up above.
 
Tony Crocker":1ana1hhi said:
Of course, how would MarcC know, since he was conspicuously absent on the vast majority of LCC powder days during this epic season. I may have skied more powder in LCC this season than he did. :snowball fight:
WTF?
Now you've gone from being a presumptuous know-it-all to being an ass. Where do you get the hubris to even remotely suggest you know where, when, and what I skied this season? *I* didn't even track my days this season, let alone powder days (which I've never, ever tracked in my life). How would you know what went on in LCC this season - you were "conspicuously absent", oh, about 99% of the time. With an ego as big as yours, how do you fit your head through regular doorways?
 
Marc_C":342xear7 said:
Also, recall that Admin pays some of us to keep the fora lively in the off-season.

If this is true, it is an interesting revelation....

Who is the "us" and are you paid on a quantity or quality basis?

Being paid to post on a forum seems counter-intuitive to the entire purpose and fun of an internet forum.

And, generally, there is nothing more "lively" than a flame war!
 
marcski":38hp1hj7 said:
Who is the "us" and are you paid on a quantity or quality basis?
Looking at what Tony and I write, it should be fairly obvious that quality is not a consideration.
 
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