Solitude, UT 12/7/2015

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Day 13: Under New Management.

I opted to spend Monday checking out what Deer Valley has done thus far with Solitude Mountain Resort in Big Cottonwood Canyon. It's long been a local witticism that it's called Solitude for a reason. Now, I'm well aware that it's a Monday in early December with little natural snowfall this season to date, but really...I'd be shocked if there were 30 people on the hill before lunch, an amazingly small number when you consider how much fun the skiing is right now.


Looking down at the Roundhouse, Moonbeam Lift and the Village at 9:40 a.m. - 1 skier visible


At 10:09 a.m. the only person sitting in the entire dining area of Moonbeam, the resort's day lodge, is an employee.


The main day skier lot at 10:22 a.m.

Solitude is currently running its Eagle, Apex, Moonbeam and Link lifts with a selection of groomers available off of each that tie together all four lifts. With the exception of the beginner lift Link, all are high-speed quads, and I rode those three over and over again, typically ascending Apex and speeding down Wall Street/Same Street/Little Dolly to Moonbeam, then up Moonbeam and down Sundancer to Eagle. Once at the top of Eagle I'd ski Sunshine Bowl and Same Street to Moonbeam, then Main Street back to Apex to start the cycle all over again. I'd mix it up a bit on occasion, but that was the typical plan. Lather, rinse and repeat. Carving huge arcs at warp speed down Main Street is a hoot! And with absolutely no one to get in the way, either at the lift or on the runs, I racked up an uncounted but seriously substantial amount of vertical.

Skies alternated between mostly cloudy and partly sunny throughout the day, with light accordingly alternating from flat to excellent. With the exception of Sundancer the snow on the lower half softened nicely and more quickly than Sunshine Bowl on the upper mountain. Coverage is wall to wall and blemish-free, and with that much room to move I honestly had a ball. There's less snow than there is in LCC, and I didn't even think about venturing off the groomers even though I was allowed to in numerous spots.


More snow, please.


From the rooftop patio at Moonbeam


Riding Moonbeam


Riding Moonbeam


Looking down Wall Street from the top of Apex

Midway through my morning I was joined by the affable Ryan from Deer Valley's marketing crew, the only other person with whom I'd ride a lift all day. That gave me the opportunity to pepper him with questions on the lift rides. I tried to talk my way under the rope and down to the new Summit Quad for a look-see, but despite my best effort that wasn't happening. Word has it that the new lift is scheduled for load testing this week. The glimpse I got of the new liftline from Apex shows an alignment somewhat to looker's right of the old Summit Double that traverses some pretty amazing topography. They're doing their best to get as much snow made as possible, but it's warm during the day this week and apparently the water delivery system from Twin Lakes isn't very efficient, something that the new management is looking to rectify as they acclimate to their new acquisition, analyzing systems that need to be redesigned, processes that need to be streamlined, etc.

Deer Valley is committed to not trying to turn Solitude into Deer Valley #2. Their big focus is on guest service, and not on trying to alter the character of Solitude that has endeared it to so many people. Of course, Deer Valley would be remiss if they didn't apply their famous epicurean touch to the resort's restaurants. Deer Valley's famed turkey chili will find its way this winter into the Last Chance Mining Co., which is scheduled to open this weekend, but not into any other dining outlet as they're looking to give each its own character and menu. The on-mountain Roundhouse will feature a menu of Himalayan and Wasatch-inspired mountain cuisine. Moonbeam's new menu is highlighted by a Wagyu Sirloin Steak available as a sandwich or a salad for $14.50, complete with baby mixed greens, white cheddar and a fresh herb chimichurri sauce, or grilled Atlantic salmon with baby mixed greens, marinated onions, garlic dill aoli and a citrus marinade ($12.50). Both appear to be an excellent quality/value to price proposition.

Ryan and I had lunch in the village at the revamped Honeycomb Grill, which now features numerous small plates (including an adaptation of Québeçois staple poutine, with mustard pork added), salads and soups including an elk chili, several flatbreads that are reportedly huge, and a number of sandwiches and entrées. I opted for the Cajun Mac and Cheese ($18), which unlike my first thought thankfully featured a thinner sauce than is used in the traditional dish, and is tossed with sautéed shrimp, andouille sausage, green peppers, onion and celery. It was delicious, and I couldn't possibly finish it all. Ryan's Watercress Farro Salad ($12) looked to be exceptional as well. Honeycomb Grill will keep its lunch menu going to 5 p.m. when it switches over to dinner, so the small plates and more will all be available on its beautiful slopeside patio or in the bar for après-ski.

After lunch I accompanied Ryan on one more run back to Moonbeam, and as he returned to work I kept taking "one more run" that turned into a half dozen. I was having too much fun to leave before 2 p.m., tired and very satisfied.
 
Been a long time since I have been to Solitude...like maybe over 20 years. Time to put it on the punch list.
 
Under normal conditions you practically have to put a gun to admin's head to get him to ski groomers.

Nice to know we'll now be well fed at Solitude.
 
Admin's annual early-December proforma visit to the other SLC-region ski areas -- before he sets up shop at Alta and doesn't leave until the end of the season.
:lol:

Good thing that I pushed my visit off to January given the current and near-future terrain pickins. Looking forward to the new-and-improved Solitude vittles.
 
Admin":2dcsp2kq said:
Ryan and I had lunch in the village at the revamped Honeycomb Grill, which now features numerous small plates (including an adaptation of Québeçois staple poutine, with mustard pork added), salads and soups including an elk chili, several flatbreads that are reportedly huge, and a number of sandwiches and entrées. I opted for the Cajun Mac and Cheese ($18), which unlike my first thought thankfully featured a thinner sauce than is used in the traditional dish, and is tossed with sautéed shrimp, andouille sausage, green peppers, onion and celery. It was delicious, and I couldn't possibly finish it all. Ryan's Watercress Farro Salad ($12) looked to be exceptional as well. Honeycomb Grill will keep its lunch menu going to 5 p.m. when it switches over to dinner, so the small plates and more will all be available on its beautiful slopeside patio or in the bar for après-ski.
Do you know if chef Greg Neville is still F&B Director?
 
Marc_C":1nxg4oex said:
Do you know if chef Greg Neville is still F&B Director?

He is not. DV brought in their own executive chef, who formerly ran the Empire Canyon Lodge at Deer Valley.
 
jamesdeluxe":3crexbec said:
Admin's annual early-December proforma visit to the other SLC-region ski areas -- before he sets up shop at Alta and doesn't leave until the end of the season.
:lol:
Even admin gets bored at Alta with what's open there now.

jamesdeluxe":3crexbec said:
Good thing that I pushed my visit off to January given the current and near-future terrain pickins. Looking forward to the new-and-improved Solitude vittles.
Utah isn't the only western skiing, you know. Whistler has had 45 inches so far this week (base is now 58 inches) with another 3 days of storm coming. Base depths are similar at Big White, Revelstoke and Whitewater. I know the latter places are in the boonies, but I'm sure there are direct flights to Vancouver from NYC airports.

Mammoth will be 90+% open next week if it gets the 3+ feet some people are predicting over the weekend. And you should have confidence in that since I'll be in NYC next week. :lol:
 
Tony Crocker":2nk1sy53 said:
Utah isn't the only western skiing, you know. Whistler has had 45 inches so far this week (base is now 58 inches) with another 3 days of storm coming.

...which will deliver buckets of pouring rain halfway up the mountain.

Tony Crocker":2nk1sy53 said:
Mammoth will be 90+% open next week if it gets the 3+ feet some people are predicting over the weekend.

Would that be the Mammoth Mountain that's predicting a high temperature of 48ºF tomorrow? And once the storms arrive, people will need to have bowling balls in their pockets to keep from blowing away to central Nevada along with the snow (and this forecast is for a mere 8000' -- higher up it'll only get worse):

For Mammoth Mountain the National Weather Service":2nk1sy53 said:
Tonight Partly cloudy, with a low around 27. Windy, with a southwest wind 25 to 30 mph, with gusts as high as 45 mph.
Wednesday Partly sunny, with a high near 49. Very windy, with a southwest wind 45 to 55 mph, with gusts as high as 80 mph.
Wednesday Night A 30 percent chance of snow after 10pm. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 21. Strong and damaging winds, with a southwest wind 50 to 60 mph increasing to 60 to 70 mph in the evening. Winds could gust as high as 105 mph. New snow accumulation of less than a half inch possible.
Thursday Snow. High near 33. Strong and damaging winds, with a southwest wind around 65 mph, with gusts as high as 100 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 4 to 8 inches possible.
Thursday Night Snow. Low around 11. Very windy, with a southwest wind 40 to 50 mph, with gusts as high as 75 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New snow accumulation of 3 to 5 inches possible.
Friday Snow showers likely. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 20. Windy. Chance of precipitation is 70%. New snow accumulation of 1 to 2 inches possible.
Friday Night A 20 percent chance of snow showers. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 9. Blustery.
Saturday Partly sunny, with a high near 31. Very windy.
Saturday Night A slight chance of snow showers. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 22. Very windy.
Sunday A chance of snow. Cloudy, with a high near 29. Strong and damaging winds.
Sunday Night Snow likely. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 8. Very windy.
Monday A chance of snow showers. Partly sunny, with a high near 20. Windy.

I've never in my life seen permutations of the word "wind" used that often in a weather forecast. How exactly do you measure 4-8" of new snowfall after it's been jacked by 100 mph winds?

And BTW, math may not be my strong point, but adding up those accumulations through the weekend I come up with 8-15". Are you measuring that three feet on the upwind side of a lift shack?
 
Tony Crocker":1ripkoq3 said:
Utah isn't the only western skiing, you know.
Thanks for clearing that up. :roll: You're making pronouncements with partial information. Given that I'm planning on two destination trips to the Alps this winter, that only leaves enough vacation days for a four-day western trip (including the weekend) and the only places that allow for skiing on arrival and departure day with nonstop flights from EWR and affordable FF award levels are SLC or Denver (i.e. Loveland).

Mammoth or Whistler will never ever be a realistic option for me given what a PITA it is to get there from the East Coast. As mentioned elsewhere, for long-distance trips, nonstop flights to Geneva or Zurich are much less burdensome logistically and as far as the available skiing options, it ain't even close.

Admin":1ripkoq3 said:
people will need to have bowling balls in their pockets to keep from blowing away to central Nevada
That's a great visual.
 
Admin":gg521t3i said:
I've never in my life seen permutations of the word "wind" used that often in a weather forecast. How exactly do you measure 4-8" of new snowfall after it's been jacked by 100 mph winds?

And BTW, math may not be my strong point, but adding up those accumulations through the weekend I come up with 8-15". Are you measuring that three feet on the upwind side of a lift shack?

You're right about the wind, it'll be nasty but here's the forecast discussion from the NWS

AND WE ARE CONSIDERING ANINCREASE TO THE HIGHER END OF THE SNOWFALL RANGE (UP TO 3 FEET NEAR THE CREST) WHEN THE NEXT WINTER STORM STATEMENT IS ISSUED. MOST OF THE OTHER STORM TOTALS LOOK REASONABLE WITH NO SIGNIFICANT
CHANGES PLANNED.

And that's for the period through Friday with another storm coming in. Here's the Mammoth Weather guy http://mammothsnowman.com/mammoth-mountain-weather/, a local forecaster who is usually pretty good. You probably know that for some of these remote mountain areas the NWS isn't always that accurate.

Snowfall forecast are for the Sesame snow course (Main Lodge)
Sesame Snow Course

Wed 12/9 = 0”
Thu 12/10 = 0”
Fri 12/11 = 15 – 18” (H20 = 1.65” – 2.00”)
Sat 12/12 = 0 – 2” (H20 = 0.05” – 0.20”)
Sun 12/13 = 0”
Mon 12/14 = 12 –16”
Tue 12/15 = 0”
Wed – Fri 12/16 – 18 = 0 – 6”

December Snowfall = 1”
December Forecast = 50 – 60”
 
socal":1tm760jn said:
Fri 12/11 = 15 – 18” (H20 = 1.65” – 2.00”)

Holy wet slop batman! Good luck 'skiing' that mess. Though makes sense why snowboards are so popular on the west coast (excepting having to sit in that stuff to buckle up).

Maybe a good 'base builder', but not worth much else at that ratio.

Even at slightly higher 10 to one ratio we consider it wet out this way. Prefer more like 15 to 1.
 
EMSC":r5d7chfv said:
socal":r5d7chfv said:
Fri 12/11 = 15 – 18” (H20 = 1.65” – 2.00”)

Holy wet slop batman! Good luck 'skiing' that mess. Though makes sense why snowboards are so popular on the west coast (excepting having to sit in that stuff to buckle up).

Maybe a good 'base builder', but not worth much else at that ratio.

Even at slightly higher 10 to one ratio we consider it wet out this way. Prefer more like 15 to 1.

Yeah not pretty but keep in mind those are reported for the snow study site right at about main lodge. So mid mountain and up should better. Down at the lower lodges it'll be worse.
 
EMSC":10j09tou said:
Prefer more like 15 to 1.
Yes, that's why you have to wait until February to ski anything steep at a lot of those places in CO. And then some of those same places close first weekend of April when they finally have a robust base. I would go nuts living in a ski town with that snow/scheduling profile. It's no surprise that there's a lot more steep skiing on the West Coast than in Colorado.

And while on the subject of the denser snow, you're actually skiing the new snow in a 6-9 inch storm instead of the old moguls underneath it. :stir:

Utah normally delivers the best of both worlds (good coverage and quality powder), but not so far this year. I've been doing these in-season reports since 1997, and I can't recall another time when Utah was actually in the worst shape of the 7 western regions I track. Every other region has at least one area half open now, and what's Alta, maybe 20%? Alta has had 14 inches of snow since Nov. 16.

As bad as it is now, the odds heavily favor LCC being just fine by the time James gets there in January.
 
Tony Crocker":2cq33bgh said:
Every other region has at least one area half open now, and what's Alta, maybe 20%? Alta has had 14 inches of snow since Nov. 16.
Alta opened with 30% of their terrain, and increased a bit since then. Currently reporting a 20" mid-mtn depth.
 
Very few of the delights admin shows us every year are skiable on a 20-inch base.

I can relate after yesterday. After weather forced me out of the interesting terrain and onto two lower lifts with only groomers, a couple of hours was enough. I made it 3 hours+ because of how far I had driven to get there and won't be skiing again for at least 10 days.
 
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