Southern California Ski Advice

ChrisC

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I was seeking advice as to when to ski certain SoCal resorts this weekend. Had one work meeting for next Monday, but was going to ski 3 days (Friday, Saturday and Sunday) and wanted to check out the following (since it only seems to snow substantially every 10 years or so):
  • Mt. Baldy,
  • Mountain High
  • Big Bear Resorts
The snow base is there, and this week's storm looks substantial, and all snow/no rain:

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However, Mount Baldy has already given up on normal operations:
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When would be the best day to ski Mt. Baldy and/or Big Bear?

  • Mountain High will open East and West on both Saturday and Sunday - so I will go there one of the weekend days.
  • Did not know when Baldy might get its act together and have most of its terrain open - Friday? weekend? never?
  • Is Big Bear too busy on a Saturday if you start early?
  • Noticed that Snow Valley was going to try to open Slide Peak every day if possible.

Despite living on the West Coast for quite a while, I am relatively unfamiliar with both LA and San Diego. And even less with its skiing.
 
My choice would be Mt. High Friday and Baldy Saturday/Sunday but see quote below. All of these places will get slammed on the weekend, but Big Bear and Mt. High will be busier with the more casual skiers. ChrisC should skip Big Bear because the overall pitch is way too mellow for his tastes. Also the traffic on the weekend will be horrible. Even if you get there early, it will be bad when you leave. And on weekends you have to reserve parking in advance or you will be relegated to a remote mud pit and bus shuttle.

I'd skip Snow Valley too. The Slide Peak steeps are maybe 400 vertical and the rest of the mountain is very flat. And it's on the most direct road to Big Bear and so will have traffic issues.

Mt. High has an easy access road up the 138 and 2 highways from I-15. After passing through Wrightwood you will hit East first and you should park there. All parking at Mt. High is $20. You should be able to rip East's 1,600 vertical as it is much less busy than West, though it's narrow with only one run on the top 500 and just a few variations lower down. Mt. High East is far and away the best groomer skiing in SoCal.

There may or may not be a bus shuttle between East and West. In any case I think ChrisC should ski down the Discovery beginner chair up top and then skate the fire road to West. West has many more runs, and though short some of them are moderately steep. At the end of the day you can ski OB from the top of West into Sawmill Canyon, which ends at the First Tracks area in the East parking lot. Warning: Do not ski straight fall line into Sawmill Canyon, as the bottom is a long, narrow and twisty ravine. Coming from West, push skier's left when you have opportunities so you end up in the ravine closer to the East parking lot.

As you have read here, Mt. High East has been a stepchild operation for over a decade. Thus I'm disgusted to see this on the Mt. High website:
The West Resort is open from 9am-4pm. The East Resort and the Yeti's Snow Play will reopen this weekend.
So maybe you try Mt. High on Saturday. Don't expect much powder if Thursday and Friday are sunny though. I don't know if Mt. High will open earlier than 9AM Saturday, but I'd advise getting there no later than half an hour before opening on the weekend.

My reaction was to defer Baldy due to their slow process digging out lifts. I'd expect a delayed opening of Thunder Thursday and no chair 4. Chair 4 is direct south facing and will go soft if there is any sun Thursday. For expert skiers the value of chair 4 is the access to Holcumac and the slackcountry Eric's into the back of the parking lot. Both of these need to be timed for sun/corn depending on weather. Holcumac is direct south facing while Eric's varies from west to south but is mostly SW.

I'd guess chair 4 will open Friday but probably not at opening bell. In full-on spring conditions I like to ski chair 4 early in the day when it's soft and the more shaded areas are not. South Bowl might not open Thursday either and if it doesn't you might score some Friday morning powder there.

I'm assuming you have read my Baldy TR's. This season you are required to buy tickets online in advance. They have dynamic pricing, which has been getting me cheap tickets perhaps because they think us old farts can't handle the terrain/conditions. Right now adult Friday/Saturday tickets are full price $115. Sunday is $86 so maybe you should grab that as it will be $115 if bought the day before.

The voucher/receipt you get online must still be presented at a ticket window. The ticket window line was at least 30 minutes all 3 days I skied Baldy in early March, and on at least one of them it grew to an hour. On busy days Baldy tends to start spinning chair 1 around 8AM and you can have a wait for that too. I advise you get to Baldy no later than 7:30AM in view of the above logistics. You will also get cold waiting in those lines, which are completely shaded before 10AM or so. However you will be cooking once you are skiing demanding terrain in blazing sun later. So bring a layer and warmer vs. cooler gloves you can stash after you get on the hill after what will likely be an hour getting through tickets and up chair 1.
 
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My choice would be Mt. High Friday and Baldy Saturday/Sunday but see quote below. All of these places will get slammed on the weekend, but Big Bear and Mt. High will be busier with the more casual skiers. ChrisC should skip Big Bear because the overall pitch is way too mellow for his tastes. Also the traffic on the weekend will be horrible. Even if you get there early, it will be bad when you leave. And on weekends you have to reserve parking in advance or you will be relegated to a remote mud pit and bus shuttle.

I'd skip Snow Valley too. The Slide Peak steeps are maybe 400 vertical and the rest of the mountain is very flat. And it's on the most direct road to Big Bear and so will have traffic issues.

Mt. High has an easy access road up the 138 and 2 highways from I-15. After passing through Wrightwood you will hit East first and you should park there. All parking at Mt. High is $20. You should be able to rip East's 1,600 vertical as it is much less busy than West, though it's narrow with only one run on the top 500 and just a few variations lower down. Mt. High East is far and away the best groomer skiing in SoCal.

There may or may not be a bus shuttle between East and West. In any case I think ChrisC should ski down the Discovery beginner chair up top and then skate the fire road to West. West has many more runs, and though short some of them are moderately steep. At the end of the day you can ski OB from the top of West into Sawmill Canyon, which ends at the First Tracks area in the East parking lot. Warning: Do not ski straight fall line into Sawmill Canyon, as the bottom is a long, narrow and twisty ravine. Coming from West, push skier's left when you have opportunities so you end up in the ravine closer to the East parking lot.

As you have read here, Mt. High East has been a stepchild operation for over a decade. Thus I'm disgusted to see this on the Mt. High website:

So maybe you try Mt. High on Saturday. Don't expect much powder if Thursday and Friday are sunny though. I don't know if Mt. High will open earlier than 9AM Saturday, but I'd advise getting there no later than half an hour before opening on the weekend.

My reaction was to defer Baldy due to their slow process digging out lifts. I'd expect a delayed opening of Thunder Thursday and no chair 4. Chair 4 is direct south facing and will go soft if there is any sun Thursday. For expert skiers the value of chair 4 is the access to Holcumac and the slackcountry Eric's into the back of the parking lot. Both of these need to be timed for sun/corn depending on weather. Holcumac is direct south facing while Eric's varies from west to south but is mostly SW.

I'd guess chair 4 will open Friday but probably not at opening bell. In full-on spring conditions I like to ski chair 4 early in the day when it's soft and the more shaded areas are not. South Bowl might not open Thursday either and if it doesn't you might score some Friday morning powder there.

I'm assuming you have read my Baldy TR's. This season you are required to buy tickets online in advance. They have dynamic pricing, which has been getting me cheap tickets perhaps because they think us old farts can't handle the terrain/conditions. Right now adult Friday/Saturday tickets are full price $115. Sunday is $86 so maybe you should grab that as it will be $115 if bought the day before.

The voucher/receipt you get online must still be presented at a ticket window. The ticket window line was at least 30 minutes all 3 days I skied Baldy in early March, and on at least one of them it grew to an hour. On busy days Baldy tends to start spinning chair 1 around 8AM and you can have a wait for that too. I advise you get to Baldy no later than 7:30AM in view of the above logistics. You will also get cold waiting in those lines, which are completely shaded before 10AM or so. However you will be cooking once you are skiing demanding terrain in blazing sun later. So bring a layer and warmer vs. cooler gloves you can stash after you get on the hill after what will likely be an hour getting through tickets and up chair 1.
Tony, I was thinking of going up Thursday to try to ski some powder. The sun isn't forecasted to show until Thursday. Probably unrealistic expectations, given Baldy's slow response to big dumps? I'm wondering if the sun on Thursday will kill the powder before I can access it?

Also, any chance Baldy would do some reopening prep work on Wednesday, since their workers are off Monday and Wednesday this week?
 
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I don't really have high powder expectations. Expect most slopes to get groomed out, but good surface conditions.l

Mountain High on Friday seems like a logical choice. The fire road from East->West looks easy enough. I might need to see a pair of tracks West-> East.

Mt. Baldy on Saturday looks good...see how much I get to ski, what they got open, etc. If not much will repeat for Sunday.

I am a bit curious about Big Bear - Bear Mountain. I believe I have read you can go into the canyons between the upper lifts. Likely a bit of bushwhacking.

Have a decent crowd tolerance due to Tahoe and growing up with trips to Hunter, Killington, Mt. Snow, etc.
 
Where exactly does the fire road end up at the west resort? All the way up by the reservoir or further down?
 
Looks like the fire road runs along the ridge from East to West Mountain High. It can be seen on Google Maps:

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If I were home I would ski Baldy Thursday even if not a full day, as the sun will definitely degrade it.

ChrisC: please note that Mt. High East may not be open Friday. Don’t consider going to Mt. High unless you talk to a live person at the resort who says East will be open. It should still be reasonable on Saturday.

Do not even think about skiing Mt. High if East is not open. Skier density on a popular weekend at West rivals Hunter Mt. if East is not open.

Yes the canyons on either side of Geronimo at Bear Mt. are probably covered. But the topography is awkward as you are forced to the base and must ride the Access Express to return to Geronimo. For advanced skiers, Big Bear is really small time vs. Baldy with this level of coverage. It's like Palisades vs. Northstar. And there's still the parking and traffic ugliness at Big Bear on weekends.

Your plan should be Baldy Friday and Sunday and Mt. High Saturday unless you hear explicitly that Mt. High East will be open Friday.
 
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ChrisC: please note that Mt. High East may not be open Friday. Don’t consider going to Mt. High unless you talk to a live person at the resort who says East will be open. It should still be reasonable on Saturday.

Do not even think about skiing Mt. High if East is not open. Skier density on a popular weekend at West rivals Hunter Mt. if East is not open.

I will verify East.

Currently, it's scheduled for Friday.

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Good to see that. Just one more example of "Friday is the new Saturday" since the pandemic. I think you will be pleased. Mt. High will not be quite the madhouse Friday vs. Saturday/Sunday. You get opening day on East so I still advise getting there by at least 8:30 even though lifts don't spin until 9:00.

As for Baldy my primary rule after 45 years skiing there is that you never get exactly what you expect. But terrain quality is right up your alley and so worth the hassles of the ticket and lift lines.
 
Maybe you shuffle your schedule and try to get Baldy Thursday. I'd recommend getting there even earlier than 7:30 if you do that.
 
For Baldy I recommend you bring your own food, their kitchen tends to be inexplicably slow. Also last week they switched to Courtesy Hour (opening an hour later and) closing at 5:15.
 
After 2.5 to 4 ft of new snow, curious to see how the weekend pans out. 'Be flexible' mantra.

And chains? I have not really put any on in many years......
 
Baldy was good today, although they didn't start loading Chair 1 until about 10:00 or so. Everything but chair 4 was eventually opened, including South Bowl. Chair 3 was down maybe 45 minutes at around 2 PM. Somewhat dense powder early gave way to wetter snow, although South Bowl was still skiing nicely at 3:30 PM because it wasn't tracked out. Might be tough tomorrow until it warms up, assuming it freezes tonight.
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The sun tried to break through at various times, although it didn't succeed, at least not where I was.
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This is the line ahead of me by the time I got my ticket.
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This is the line behind me waiting for opening chair. It stretched a ways down. There was a separate ticket line below; not sure how long it got.
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Chair 1, lots of fresh.
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Heading back toward Chair 1 lift after my 2nd run. Notice two lines, one for returning skiers, the other for people waiting to get in their first run. Several guys said that that is how it was earlier this season, although others said that isn't how it is done at Baldy. Maybe Tony could weigh in.
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Thunder Mountain, skier's right from top, though I don't remember the run.
 
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So chair 1 skied well today but will likely be stiffened churned powder for the next few days?
I was checking the snow at various times and locations during the day. Early on it was not wet enough to make a snowball, but by 2 or 3 it was wet enough, off Chair 1, Chair 3 and to a lesser degree in the South Bowl. That is why I expect the snow to set up overnight if it freezes. The sun didn't come out much today, so maybe it was the fog that was present at times causing the transition to wetter snow. There was wet snow falling for much of the afternoon as well.
 
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thanks for the pics baldyskier. i'm sure you all saw the thread on Snowbrains about the oldest lifts in N. America. It's amazing to me that this day and age that chair #1 still exists.....

gonna pass on $115 mt baldy tickets and lift lines and use my PTO to enjoy boat drinks somewhere near the equator ............

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i'm sure you all saw the thread on Snowbrains about the oldest lifts in N. America. It's amazing to me that this day and age that chair #1 still exists.....
I couldn't find Snowbrains oldest lifts thread that included Baldy. I only found https://snowbrains.com/top-7-oldest-operating-ski-lifts-in-north-america1/ from September 2021 that did not include Baldy. I found article at skilifts.org from 2015 that also does not include Baldy and has some lifts crossed out as they have been replaced or are no longer operational. I've ridden 7th Heaven at Stevens Pass.
 
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