Alta/Snowbird, UT 2/27/08

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Day 38: Only 4 runs, but oh what runs!

Skidog was skiing Alta today because his friend T.J. was visiting from the East Coast for only 1 day en route to Jackson. Bob Dangerous was up there, too, so I had to steal away this afternoon for a few runs with them. It was too gorgeous a day out to stay home (52 at my house near the mouth of Parley's Canyon when I left, 37 at the summit and in the low 40s at the base). Visitors should understand that when the environment is this dry the snow doesn't get sloppy at those temperatures -- it evaporates rather than melts.

I finally got a hold of Skidog by phone at the base of Collins, only to find out that they were standing atop Shot 10 in Peruvian Cirque at Snowbird. #-o No matter, I rode up Wildcat and descended via the Keyhole to meet them on Chip's.

It was there that I first learned of their plan: Baldy Main Chute. I haven't been there yet this winter when it's been open, so it seemed like a good plan -- except that my pack was deliberately left in the truck. Oh, well...I'd just shoulder 'em.

We left the Tram, skied down to the Peruvian ridgeline and started the hike. It didn't seem as arduous as usual today, and I think that Bob's estimate of 20 minutes was pretty much on target for once. Poor T.J. just arrived from sea level last night and had been following Bob and Skidog since the opening bell on the grand tour, so by this point in the afternoon he lagged far behind on the hike, pausing often to rest (Baldy's summit is well over 11,000 feet, and it's a 700 vertical-foot hike). We lingered at the summit to drink in the top of the Wasatch, and skies were so clear that you could distinctly make out various Uinta peaks: Agassiz, Bald, etc. T.J. drank a Red Bull along with the view. The atmosphere atop Baldy was festive with many arriving from both Hidden Peak and Sugarloaf Pass, converging upon the summit to relax before an exciting descent.

Most Snowbird arrivals dropped into Mineral Basin via Livin' The Dream, while the rest of us headed for Main Chute, with a couple braving the precipitous rock-lined entrance of Little Chute. I stopped to photograph the others using T.J.'s camera, then dropped in myself.

Main Chute was positively delightful. The first few turns that approach 50 degrees were smooth, dry chalk, while below that as the pitch mellows to a consistent 45 degrees it was lightly bumped with deep loose snow that just gave way as you initiated a turn against the uphill side of the bump. Divine!

Poor T.J. got a bit more than he'd bargained for by chasing Bob around all day, and was positively whooped by the time we emerged onto Main Street. Peer pressure does wonders, though, even at our age, and we talked him into one final run: he had yet to ski High Boy.

High Boy was dressed in more of the same chalk, albeit with slightly larger bumps. We danced our way down the face to end T.J.'s and Matt's day, while Bob and I headed up for one final run, a groomer down Mambo. We all reconvened on the Goldminer's patio for a beer in the sun, where I practically had to kick T.J. to elicit any reaction whatsoever. The poor S.O.B. now needs to drive to Jackson tonight.

Now I'm back home to wrap up my work day. God, I love living in Utah!

I didn't bring my camera today, so I used my Treo for a few photos, but the quality shots will follow shortly once I have the photos from T.J.'s camera.

Snowbird, LCC from Baldy
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Sn0owbird, Livin' the Dream
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BobbyD hiking
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OK, I got T.J.'s pics:

Inside Main Chute:

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BobbyD drops into the tilt horizon pic that spawned the 13 page flame throwing thread on TGR:
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Skidog:
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TJ:
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More TJ:
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BobbyD, TJ, Skidog, Admin on Baldy summit:
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Baldy chutes viewed from Collins lift:
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Crew on the lift:
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TRam":2h1fc4e7 said:
That looks mighty steep. Whats the pitch?

The first half-dozen turns are pushing 50 degrees. After that it "mellows" to a consistent 45 for the remainder of the chute.

What freaks most Main Chute noobs, though, is not so much the pitch as the exposure. You stand on top with your skis pointed over the edge, with the rest of Alta visible between your tips some 1,000 feet below. It's unnerving the first time, for sure.
 
AWESOME PICS MARC!!!

WOW...the legendary Baldy Chutes...never done them, but would love to have the opportunity. Skied some steep stuff at JH in '91, and Squaw's Palisades the year before, but I was only 30-ish then...VERY COOL!

Admin, Skidog, Bob D...you guys ROCK!!

See you in 2 weeks?

All the best--John B. in Conn.
 
Great report! I like the writing and the "low quality" pics the best.

I really have no idea what 50 degree means, but I have a feeling it looks like straight down when you are looking above it about to drop in. Any rules of thumb for estimating pitch of what I am seeing and skiing?

EDIT: I just Googled "pitch in degrees of the Rumor at Gore"...I found a guy saying it was 30 degrees. Yikes.
 
ctmoneymgr":13eafspj said:
See you in 2 weeks?

You bet!

Harvey44":13eafspj said:
Any rules of thumb for estimating pitch of what I am seeing and skiing?

Short of carrying an inclinometer (which any BC skier out here should have to avoid avi-prone terrain), a simple way to calculate 45 degrees is with your poles. Place them at a right angle, and of course the horizontal and vertical distance will be equal at 45 degrees.
 
Admin":2z79kz2j said:
... a simple way to calculate 45 degrees is with your poles. Place them at a right angle, and of course the horizontal and vertical distance will be equal at 45 degrees.
Or stating it another way: the diagonal of a square (ie: all sides equal length) is 45 degrees.
 
Marc_C":2d2kiqxm said:
Admin":2d2kiqxm said:
... a simple way to calculate 45 degrees is with your poles. Place them at a right angle, and of course the horizontal and vertical distance will be equal at 45 degrees.
Or stating it another way: the diagonal of a square (ie: all sides equal length) is 45 degrees.

Such a nerd :roll:

What a GREAT day....again...Great day, great snow, and GREAT FRIENDS!!!!!

M

P.S. Peter....sorry we never caught back up with you guys. We got over to Snowbird and something was wrong with TJs pass and they sent us down to the base so we could fix it. By the time we got back you guys were long gone. I was going to call your cell but my battery had died. Thankfully TJ had a phone to get a hold of Marc, but alas I dont memorize phone #'s anymore and with the phone dead...no access to your number. Hope you too had a good day :D
 
I the day with this group, glad I didn't finish up with them. This out of shape easterner would have died. Nice shots guys, glad you got the goods.
 
andyzee":24spb9o1 said:
I the day with this group, glad I didn't finish up with them. This out of shape easterner would have died. Nice shots guys, glad you got the goods.

I wish I had an oxygen tank with me when I tried it.
 
kingslug":2k29mhdx said:
andyzee":2k29mhdx said:
I the day with this group, glad I didn't finish up with them. This out of shape easterner would have died. Nice shots guys, glad you got the goods.

I wish I had an oxygen tank with me when I tried it.

Baldy was open when you were out here???

M
 
No, I was just remembering the exhuastion I was feeling on the hike out to whatever area we went to. They didn't open Baldy that week.
The altitude just kills me after a while. Might bring one of those small cans of oxygen next time....or just collapse.
 
Question for Alta regulars -- for comparison purposes, how does the very top of Hi Boy or Stonecrusher rank in pitch vs. Main Chute?

Also, what's the best approach for a noob? Drop in on an angle to set an edge, or just go straight down in a dive? For ex., I usually don't drop into Stonecrusher, preferring to enter just below the rocky ridge, since there's always been a lot of loose rock in the landing area when I've been out there...but that drop seems about 6-8 ft.

Thanks!
 
ctmoneymgr":2j2lqqld said:
Question for Alta regulars -- for comparison purposes, how does the very top of Hi Boy or Stonecrusher rank in pitch vs. Main Chute?

Also, what's the best approach for a noob? Drop in on an angle to set an edge, or just go straight down in a dive? For ex., I usually don't drop into Stonecrusher, preferring to enter just below the rocky ridge, since there's always been a lot of loose rock in the landing area when I've been out there...but that drop seems about 6-8 ft.

Thanks!

admin will have a better idea...but main chute makes High Rus (hi boy) look like a Blue Square.

I'd say High Rus is about 38-40degrees...Main chute first 3-5 turns is about 50 degrees and the rest of the 1500 or so vert is a steady 45 degrees and is NO FALL..

M
 
High Boy is around 42-43 at the top IIRC. Main is as stated above.

It's generally much easier and much less intimidating to enter from skier's left.
 
ctmoneymgr":xz9vlqc0 said:
-- for comparison purposes, how does the very top of Hi Boy or Stonecrusher rank in pitch vs. Main Chute?
The steepness of those two constitute the "easy" section of Main Chute after the initial steepness for 800 vert.

Both "The Powder Hound's Guide to Skiing Alta" and McLean's "The Chuting Gallery" put Main at 43 degrees or so (and PHGtSA places Highboy at 45 degrees) but it has always seemed significantly steeper and eventually mellows out to 45. It certainly looks steeper than the other two!

ctmoneymgr":xz9vlqc0 said:
Also, what's the best approach for a noob? Drop in on an angle to set an edge, or just go straight down in a dive?
I always come in at an angle, but I'm a chicken shit. Going big, straight in, requires:
* the ability to stick a 10 - 20 footer (depending on the size of the cornice) onto a 45 - 50 degree slope
* deep/soft enough snow to handle the landing
* ability to pull off an immediate turn
* absolutely no question of falling
* a stable enough cornice that won't collapse on you or the other people in and under the chute

Extraordinarily few do this, and there are a lot of really good skiers here. You really, really don't want to fall anywhere up there.
 
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