Don't laugh...Worrying about prolonged stay at 8000+ ft.

Marc C's advice is sound. The "3rd or 4th day syndrome" is not altitude, it's either dehydration or overdoing in some other way. Patrick should know, because it was I not him that had this problem on our Montana/Wyoming trip. I had "dead legs" days 2-4, and took day 5 off so I could maximize the rest of the trip at Jackson. I did not have headaches, etc., and I ascribe the problem to hiking the Ridge at Bridger at the end of day 1 after a long previous day getting to Montana. I sent Patrick off with hamdog on day 3 at Big Sky because I knew I might get in trouble trying to keep up.

And a week later I drove up to Mammoth from sea level and skied at close to my best.

I would say that just because you're skiing well on the early days at altitude does not need mean you should be doing extended hikes above 10K. I recommend laying off the hikes until you've been there 3-4 days at least. And Bernard P. has the advantage of being in Aspen 2 weeks. I found after a whole week in Colorado that I was comfortable hiking at Silverton at 12K+. So on his second week he could possibly hit Highlands Bowl with the locals.

My understanding is that sleep altitude is the key. It is not likely, but possible, that someone comfortable staying in SLC and skiing Altabird might be uncomfortable sleeping in the resorts. But if you're OK sleeping in the resort, I have to believe that you'll acclimatize faster.

I have a friend who lived in Denver 5 years and bought a condo in Keystone (9,200 ft). When he moved back to the Midwest he found that he could no longer sleep in his Keystone condo because his heart rate dropped to 29 if he fell asleep and he would come up gasping for air. This was diagnosed as a heart disorder, and they recommended he get a pacemaker. He sold the condo instead.
 
Don't forget they do rent oxygen tanks ($80 a night and dropped off right to your room in copper) if you really start to feel bad. I never had to order one, but was damn close after 4 days of skiing in single digit temps, and a few nights of Yeager Bombs ;-)
 
Thanks for all the replies. I am keeping everything for future reference, as there is a change of plans for this season.

After reading about this on my own, I have found something that is not encouraging in my particular case. I am highly myopic (I wear -11.50 D contacts for skiing) and because of this, the back of my eye is stretched and prone to damage to the retina.

On the following web site (and others), I found references to high-altitude retinal hemorrhages:

http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec24/ch296/ch296a.html

"High-altitude retinal hemorrhages (small areas of bleeding in the retina at the back of the eye) may develop after ascent to altitudes of 8,000 feet or higher. Retinal hemorrhages rarely produce symptoms. However, if a hemorrhage occurs in the part of the eye that is responsible for central vision (the macula), the person may notice a small blind spot. High-altitude retinal hemorrhages resolve after 1 or 2 weeks without treatment. If hemorrhage involves the macula, the person should descend."

Having alreay had problems with fluid leaking behind the retina and what is called "lacquer cracks" by my ophtalmologist, I have decided not to tempt fate before I have had a chance to discuss the risks with him.

Unfortunately, this means months and months on a waiting list before I can even schedule an appointment, courtesy of our Canadian Soviet-style health system.

So for this year, I have just booked a week in early February at a low-altitude resort, Silverstar BC. I have been there a few years ago and now seems a good time to return, as they already have one meter of base at the end of November.
 
BernardP":apuwympk said:
.... High-altitude retinal hemorrhages resolve after 1 or 2 weeks without treatment. If hemorrhage involves the macula, the person should descend."

Having alreay had problems with fluid leaking behind the retina and what is called "lacquer cracks" by my ophtalmologist, I have decided not to tempt fate...

As said succinctly in the movie Snatch: "Appreciated, but all bets are off?. Your medical history changes the discussion completely and I think that you have wisely chosen the prudent course.

An 80+ skier I know cannot tolerate high altitudes likes Steamboat. If you still have a desire to stay below 8000? you might also consider Steamboat, although its peak is above 8k?, you can sleep at a lower atmosphere.

Cheers,
Jeff
 
North of Utah/Colorado most resorts have low enough sleep altitudes. If you were attracted to Altabird, Jackson (sleep @ 6,000) is probably worth considering in January/early February. Even Lake Tahoe is 6,200. Steamboat is 6,900 and is probably the only Colorado resort you should consider.
 
Tony Crocker":34g98qo9 said:
North of Utah/Colorado most resorts have low enough sleep altitudes. If you were attracted to Altabird, Jackson (sleep @ 6,000) is probably worth considering in January/early February. Even Lake Tahoe is 6,200. Steamboat is 6,900 and is probably the only Colorado resort you should consider.

Of course, should you opt to stay in the Valley, even skiing AltaBird would allow you to sleep at 4,100 feet (the elevation of the valley floor). Days at Alta would entail skiing at 8,300-10,500, and Snowbird tops out at 11,000 feet, but altitude relief would be only 8 miles away at 4,100 feet.
 
After having a horrible experience while staying at Copper (headaches, not being able to sleep, etc). I asked around my patrol about what to do on my next trip. A recomendation was made to take the diuaretic Diox. It seems counter to what you should be doing for going somewhere where it's easy to be dehydrated and keeping up with fluids and a few extra trips to the bathroom is necessary, but it really works. Take 2-3 days prior to going to altitude and 2-3 days into your trip. It works because it causes the body to produce more red blood cells, hence more oxygen. It is a prescribed drug so consult your physcian, and it doesn't eliminate the need for hydration but instead increases it.
 
Thanks for the suggestions of alternative destinations. I have three trips to Utah on record, and each time I stayed in SLC. The village base at Silverstar, where I finally decided to go, is at 1600M or about 5300 ft.
 
Correction to Southern Freshies, the drug is "diamox." We keep a bottle here at the house for guests. However, make sure what you're getting -- when I gave one to Todd last year, I was unaware that The Wife had also put some pills in the same bottle meant to cure feminine problems. :lol:
 
Admin":vjit2k1o said:
...the drug is "diamox." We keep a bottle here at the house for guests. However, make sure what you're getting -- when I gave one to Todd last year, I was unaware that The Wife had also put some pills in the same bottle meant to cure feminine problems.
Which actually may have helped him more. Diamox (generic name: acetazolamide) takes a few days for its effects to kick in and work for someone. Also, there's a reason it's prescription only - you can seriously compromise someone's health with it, including death. Acetazolamide should not be taken by individuals if:

* They have sickle cell anemia
* They are allergic to sulfa medications
* They are allergic to any carbonic anhydrase inhibitor
* They have liver or kidney disease
* They have adrenal gland failure (i.e. Addison's disease)
* They have diabetes
* They are pregnant or nursing mothers
 
Admin":2btlroxn said:
Correction to Southern Freshies, the drug is "diamox." We keep a bottle here at the house for guests. However, make sure what you're getting -- when I gave one to Todd last year, I was unaware that The Wife had also put some pills in the same bottle meant to cure feminine problems. :lol:

You're right
Diamox, didn't have it in front of me. It's important to take it a couple of days before going to altitude to be effective. I'm happy to hear your guests didn't experience any cramps while visiting you!
 
Marc_C":azj0hlw9 said:
Admin":azj0hlw9 said:
...the drug is "diamox." We keep a bottle here at the house for guests. However, make sure what you're getting -- when I gave one to Todd last year, I was unaware that The Wife had also put some pills in the same bottle meant to cure feminine problems.
Which actually may have helped him more. Diamox (generic name: acetazolamide) takes a few days for its effects to kick in and work for someone. Also, there's a reason it's prescription only - you can seriously compromise someone's health with it, including death. Acetazolamide should not be taken by individuals if:

* They have sickle cell anemia
* They are allergic to sulfa medications
* They are allergic to any carbonic anhydrase inhibitor
* They have liver or kidney disease
* They have adrenal gland failure (i.e. Addison's disease)
* They have diabetes
* They are pregnant or nursing mothers
Marc,

Yes, I do not mean to minimize the importance of consulting a physician when taking any prescribed medication. Luckily I do not fall under any of the contraindications for the medication. And I do believe it is really effective for use in control of those who suffer from altitude symptoms.
 
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