End of Season??? Time for New Skis??

88 under foot is pretty wide, but I was thinking about something really really wide, at least just to try it out. Ideally for me I would want a specialist ski for deep powder in tight trees. However, I would want the ski to be compatible with a touring binding for side country adventures, and short tours. That was why I wanted to try the verdict.
 
trust me rob, the icelantic nomad not only has more surface area for pow, it also has way more sidecut to aid in it's turniness in tight trees+ it's less money and made in the u.s.a not china like bd. plus, the nomad is way more lively than the verdict. the verdict rides like a stiff k2 but, unfortunately dosen't give you much back for your efforts.
rog
 
93 underfoot's barely a mid-fat. i'll stick w/my 105 for all.
rog
i may come to foofyland to ski w/craig for 5-6days starting this coming friday. looks like there's still some snow out there.
 
I skied all my powder days with 79 underfoot, and they were fine. At the tip they are 123 so they didn't really dive. My concern with the Icelantics, is I've heard a lot of conflicting reports on those skis, and they seem really short.
 
Rog, I've got to disagree with you. I found the Verdict to be anything but dead, and I love lively skis (you should see the camber on those Goliaths) and thus don't care for any K2 I've ever skied.

Give us a shout if you make it out here.
 
rfarren":1axba9vf said:
I skied all my powder days with 79 underfoot, and they were fine.
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Yeah, and we skied powder with 50mm-waisted skis 15 years ago and we got by then, too, but that doesn't mean it was any better. On those skis you're working much harder in powder than you have to.
 
Admin":1qqrmygu said:
rfarren":1qqrmygu said:
I skied all my powder days with 79 underfoot, and they were fine.
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Yeah, and we skied powder with 50mm-waisted skis 15 years ago and we got by then, too, but that doesn't mean it was any better. On those skis you're working much harder in powder than you have to.
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Yep, thats why I want a ski that is super wide. I'm also interested in trying out the reverse cambert skis, but I'm not sure if they are compatible with touring bindings and skins.
 
rfarren":3bn9dbz8 said:
I skied all my powder days with 79 underfoot, and they were fine. At the tip they are 123 so they didn't really dive. My concern with the Icelantics, is I've heard a lot of conflicting reports on those skis, and they seem really short.
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Get thee some 90+ under foot for powder days, sir! My 8000s are 79 underfoot and work very well up to a foot of powder and less dense stuff. Over a foot, oh man, the fatter skis are worth the addition to your quiver.
 
Admin":cay5bsma said:
Rog, I've got to disagree with you. I found the Verdict to be anything but dead, and I love lively skis (you should see the camber on those Goliaths) and thus don't care for any K2 I've ever skied.

Give us a shout if you make it out here.
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i guess dead wasn't the right word for the verdict. i meant that you gotta work alot harder to make them perform than a ski like nomad imo. rob, there are alot of icelantic skeptics out there but, many who have tried were shocked at the performance and agreed that the length w/surface area was
super maneuverable but floaty all in one package. try some for yourself in all conditions. i was skeptical too, i have to admit i bought them for the cool artwork and never thought they'd change my skiing experience in such a huge way.
admin, i'll give a shout if i come out. we'd be touring in the b.c. from friday-wed this next week w/ maybe one lift assist b.c. day in upper wp from the bird.
rog
 
Wow...lots of great input.

I like the dimensions of the Havoc, but I think its a twin tip. There are so many twins out there, but as has been noted elsewhere the halfpipes seem abandoned. It feels more like a fashion statement than an improvement. How many are on twins...and how many are skiing the parks?

I agree with Riv that 80mm is serviceable up to 12" of untracked. I think I only skied deeper than that a few times this season. And if I went to "foofy land" I might bring my boots and rent skis.

So I'm slowly figuring this out... what are the choices that are:

Tele/AT
85-93 mm
single tip
snappier than K2s?

Anyone ever skied an atomic RT86? Opinions?

Also...I'm on T2s... do I need a T2X in that range or do I need T1s?

Going to 93s and T1s...bet I would have to make quite an adjustment the first few days if I did that.

Again TIA.

PS - might be kinda fun to just rename this "The Hijacked Thread."

8)
 
harv!
don't be mislead into thinking that a twin tip ski is just for terrain parks, halfpipes and stuff. i ride twins and never ski in a pipe or go switch for that matter. compared to a trad or flat tail, a twin releases from a turn much nicer and naturally cuz as you decamber the ski from tip to tail through out the turn, an upturned tail just helps the release from the turn cuz it's curved up for you completing the decambered bend verses a flat ski that will bend to a point but, then stops with less of a fluid, natural arc out of a turn. big plus! the twin also allows easier maneuverability into tight spots like brook beds when you may need rock forward up a transition and back to re-set up for the next turn.
fear not twins.
the rt 86 is a great ski btw, one of my trad faves. soft, even flex, great shape and atomics famous liveliness. fine w/ a t2
rog
 
Harvey44":1fo8sc2u said:
So I'm slowly figuring this out... what are the choices that are:

Tele/AT
85-93 mm
single tip
snappier than K2s?
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G3 Reverend.

Harvey44":1fo8sc2u said:
Going to 93s and T1s...bet I would have to make quite an adjustment the first few days if I did that.
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Not really. Definitely lots les than you'd think.
 
Admin":27lonlqp said:
My only complaint about the Revs is that especially mounted with the lightweight Silvretta Pures, they're such a light kit that chunky snow deflects them readily. I'd hate to see what happens to them in eastern death cookies.
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Ski the ungroomed at Alta tomorrow and find out! :twisted:
 
icelanticskier":kwe1vvfp said:
harv!...a twin releases from a turn much nicer and naturally cuz as you decamber the ski from tip to tail through out the turn, an upturned tail just helps the release from the turn cuz it's curved up for you completing the decambered bend verses a flat ski that will bend to a point but, then stops with less of a fluid, natural arc out of a turn. big plus! the twin also allows easier maneuverability into tight spots like brook beds when you may need rock forward up a transition and back to re-set up for the next turn.
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Well that all sounds good. Anyone...what is the downside to a twin? I assume that there must be a trade off...or all skis would be twintips.
 
Harvey44":1owuiq15 said:
icelanticskier":1owuiq15 said:
harv!...a twin releases from a turn much nicer and naturally cuz as you decamber the ski from tip to tail through out the turn, an upturned tail just helps the release from the turn cuz it's curved up for you completing the decambered bend verses a flat ski that will bend to a point but, then stops with less of a fluid, natural arc out of a turn. big plus! the twin also allows easier maneuverability into tight spots like brook beds when you may need rock forward up a transition and back to re-set up for the next turn.
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Well that all sounds good. Anyone...what is the downside to a twin? I assume that there must be a trade off...or all skis would be twintips.
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downside of twins? just old school narrow mindedness my friend. skiings fun and twins have made my skiing more fun and they sure don't seem to be making any less of em.
rog
 
what is the downside to a twin? I assume that there must be a trade off...or all skis would be twintips.
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Well sometimes they spray snow up into the faces of people behind you which can be annoying to them...

Most rec skis are based on racing designs that are watered down. And racers definitely do not want an upturned soft spot at the tail... Thus most skis are not twin tips. Most rec skiers will be just fine on a twin tip and may even prefer it for the reasons icelanticskier mentions.

Not that anyone on a thread like this one would care, but my entire quiver is race stock skis and I have no real problems in powder.In fact I prefer to be knee or waist deep and not float out of it on a 'fat' ski. But that's just my preference - most will like the 'fat' ski by quite a margin.
 
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