interesting points made by all, except one of course... i don't if the anonymous dude from 5-12 is for real ( which if he is, he is an obvious idiot ) or just putting up stuff to stir up the pot ( which if he is, he is an obvious idiot ) . CD correctly points out that anonymous was shot down earlier in the year... he continues to make foolish statements though that exposes him for dope he is... <BR>quote " grooming brought out the more mainstream skier enabling them to make money on their last few days " uh, no it didn't... it brought out less bumpers, and the ones who were there were pissed off.. it brought out a few g.s 'ers who can't makes turns inside of 20 yards and skied supa till 1030am, then when it got to soft, they scampered away like racers do in midwinter when fresh powder show up, because, alas, " it's too tough to turn in " ...the amount of k locals who did not show up on grooming days and the 2 days after the grooming took place far outpaced the " mainstream" skiers ... anonymous, do your actually believe they make money anytime after may 1st?. if you do, you are a fool. they MIGHT make a little mony on the last sat in april and the first sat in may if the weather is killer... let's not waste time on this cartoon character any more... to the real posters. but first . <BR> K on Wed 5-12. i had thrown it in , pretty much the previous week.. i said my good bye's.. my buddy gil held out and the forecast for wed and thurs had me back in lincoln tuesday night, of course, ready for one final 2 dayer... beautiful drive over and pulled into the skyship turn off around 830... climing up the bear road , we knew it was gonna be an epic day in terms of weather... we were utterly stoked, for what seemed like the first time all spring , it appeared we had 2 bluebird days coming up for sure... we rounded the K gold club and me in the shot gun, caught out of the corner of my eye what appeared to be a S---load of grass on a trail. my heart skipped and i said uh ohh out loud...my man gil says, what's wrong, .. nuthin, i said... i just thought i saw supa with out any snow on it.. must have been old supa... this took about 6 seconds... then boom there it was... 5 distinct patches of snow on supa.... gil throws the car into park and yells , where the hell is that photo from firstracks that the guy put up on saturday?.. we pulled that out from under the seat and just sat there and stared... what can you say,...it just died... they ran out of snow... we were not mad , but sad and a little frustrated no doubt... mad would be silly as far as them being closed.. it would not have been worth it even if they were spinning... we drove over and talked to a couple of seemingly legit operations guys.. they said tuesday night was real bad for humidity and some fog actually rolled in.. and that was that...it's got to be a record early closing.. these guys speculated to that but that was not reliable it seemed.. they seemed like good guys on some stuff we asked and company men on other stuff... oh well. we were there with 2 other guys.. one from jersey and one from conn.. the conn guy hiked up to the top of the bottom h wall and skied down and bugged out.. jersey boy was building his own booter about half way up...we were comatosed, should we go up and jump with j boy...outta here said g man.. yo said me.. and that was that.. the king is dead.. long live the king: <BR>my 2 cents : <BR>CD's point on stockpiling trouble spots was one of our discussions on the 2 hours ride back... and cd hits it right on the head.. it's a no brainer.. and it's aggravating as hell and the fact that it isn't done, leads one to give more credence to the conspiracy theorists out there <BR>Skip over idiot's statement... <BR>JimG- yep that's right.. that why bumpers are the best skiers on the hill <BR>Skip to CD... we also discussed the theory of the groom degrading the snow faster this spring...we were there every week from april 18th on...the assesment certainly appears to have validity to it.. the question is was it done on purpose or not? <BR> skip to Boomer: i agree but it should be at least 2.. a blue and a black.. and they should build them.. super tight and take down every month...it would do wonders for people skiing them and getting more people to ski em... it remains a mystery why this not a standard practice... rivercoil never responded to my inquiry to him as to why it is ok to spend money and resources on race courses, and parks and pipes and grooming trails flat, but not on maintaining mogul lines... i'd like to hear the response.. i saw what went on at loon this year ... it's remarkable what happens when they are built in terms of how many more people jump in and give em a try.. See below for more on loon.. it's very good.. very good <BR>skip to johny D: proper mogul skiing does not hurt your knees... there is, when skied correctly , limited impact on the knees as the purchase involves pulling up and under as contact is made on front side , as opposed to being slammed up by force of the bump.. in order to do this , though, your must be loaded to the hilt on your toes, which goes against the current psia method of being centered and " letting the shape do the work " is it easy, no,,, it's the hardest thing to learn how to do... but i can be done if you have the right knowledge of what you are trying to do and are dedicated enough,and have real terrain to learn on... not some junk like paulies folly or lower flume at loon or some other steep trail with moguls that are formed by terminal intermediates who are just side slipping down a pitch thats over their heads..johny, i'd advise you to check out smartmogul.com and get the 25 dollar video by john smart if you have any desire to learn how to ski bumps the right way and pain free <BR>skip to Patrick: dito <BR>skip to the NHpowderhound: u the man... but how can we get bretton to put in a strip of bump on one of their runs.... what a great learning bump hill that would be.. it's not like they can'tgive up the terrain either <BR> skip to Tony c: disagree about the weekends, but not strongly... we saw what went on there this past spring on all days... there is more traffic on the weekends , but they still don't make money on those days...they need to market spring skiing better than they do.. it seems like they are trying to play both sides of the fence.. they offer cheap spring passes but implement policies that appear to shorten the season... maybe that's just what they want.. i'm still tying to figure it out...5 different k employees told us , at diffent points in the last month, that k was the only asc resort that made money for the last 3 years... i find that hard to believe, but if it's true, maybe they should shut down mid week - mid winter... the problem is marketing and focus... the absurdity and stupidity of the general public to be skiing k in january in minus 35 f weather ( i was there ) and having all their lifts spinning, and to not even consider skiing after april 15th in weather that is almost a 100 degree swing is mind blowing... <BR>skip to johny: they don't not close mid week for the boast... boasting doesnt pay the bills.. they know they lose money, but they make a ton during other special periods <BR>skip to JimG: bingo, but the weather did not help em out and they did not make as much snow either.. this trifecta was the whole killer <BR>skip to CD: that info was given to us also by a k employee who appeared to be the most legit of all we spoke with.. we shall see <BR>Loon update: this came out of nowhere, but it's on the level <BR>1) the south mountian is going ahead but it is not going to open this year.. 2 to 3 year project till it is up and running.. the old mill is coming down and being made into a 7 story luxury hotel... a gondola from the hotel to the base of south mountian is going in <BR> now the good stuff: <BR>the north peak triple is being replaced with a high speed quad.. the double is coming out and the triple is being moved over to the old double.. top of north peak is being laid out.. one trail off the back side of north peak swinging around to hool up with sunset is going in... 1 trail to skiers right off of walking boss is going in... our sources tell us this will be ready for this season... they are also , apparently , going to limit the time they allocate to high school and college race teams like the idiots from new hampton... and every lift is slotted to have an easily accessable bump run, with real bumps ( fake, man made, pussy bumps, what ever any negative nabobs want to call em, i'll just call em the same type of bumps that the us team skis, they are going in, and it's gonna be killer ) kudos to the management at loon for smartly recognizing the need...maybe some of these other areas will get their heads out of their butts too. <BR>personal notes: totaled out at 59 days loon, k, jay, cat, bretton, mrg, sunday river and a half day at cannon ( left in disgust ) felt bad about not getting to burke, but the lines seemed to bite it when ever the chance came to go ... 2 months off and leaving on the jet plane on july 5th for 19 glorious days of blackcomb bumps, it's gonna be epic <BR>peace, and have a cool fast summer <BR> marc, any chance of using some of your contacts at k like kim jackson to try and get some answers to the questions posed in this thread?
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