La Hoya, ARG - Sept 3-4, 08

[Admin]

Nice shots!

I'm working right now (read: today) at commissioning a feature on La Hoya through an Argentinean writer I know. Hopefully she'll go for it and we'll have a new resort feature following her August visit.

La Hoya sucks...you should send her to Las Lenas or Portillo instead. pocorn:

Nice try. :roll: Besides, she lives in Patagonia. You can check out her website at http://www.argentinasnow.com/

And nice job using the new smiley, courtesy Marc_C.

 

[Tony Crocker]

It was obvious from the narrative that La Hoya was the highlight of this trip, but the pictures (finally!!!) reinforce the point. Terrain-wise, as good or better than Chillan? Steeper, at least at the top, is the impression from the pics.

 

[Patrick]

It was obvious from the narrative that La Hoya was the highlight of this trip, but the pictures (finally!!!) reinforce the point.

I sometime like places that are off-radar. A series of factor definitely made this the highlight of my trip. To use an analogy, some like Altabird, Whistler ski trips while others like places like Castle or Shames. La Hoya fits in the second category while Portillo, Las Lenas or the Valle Nevado gang would be in the first. Not saying that the skiing is better at one place versus the other, but there is something to be said about non-commercial places.

Terrain-wise, as good or better than Chillan? Steeper, at least at the top, is the impression from the pics.

We had an interesting discussion at the Hostal that night. A few French skiers from the Alps and myself discussing various places in SA. Most of us agree that Termas was our favorite. Slackcountry and backcountry possibilities are endless at the other place. Size and vertical of area is also bigger. The steeps about the chair were off-limit when we were there. Not sure if that is always the case, however there is something to be said about those off-piste (on map) lines about the base.

La Hoya is pretty rocky place is some parts. :-( Hard to know how much snow falls here? All this being said, out of all the areas I've seen in the past two seasons, La Hoya is one of the places I would like to return.

PS. I'll try to post the other pics for Catedral and Bayo in the next few days, however Bluesfest is starting tomorrow night and plus I'm seeing a midnight show of Peter Murphy on Friday. :mrgreen:

 

[Tony Crocker]

I sometime like places that are off-radar.

Usually there's a reason for that. Sometimes it's just being off the beaten path. More often it's a deficiency in snow or terrain. Or being overshadowed by more famous areas in the immediate region. Anyplace in the Argentine Lakes District is going to be deficient in snow by North American standards, likely no one is much over 200 inches per year. La Hoya is farther south, better exposed and a bit higher on average than Catedral plus less traffic. So no surprise snow quality was better. But it was also thin judging by the multiple comments about hitting rocks.

The most attractive "off-radar" places IMHO are the "overshadowed by more famous areas in the immediate region" ones. Utah being the obvious example. The second tier areas there (Snowbasin for terrain, BCC for snow) are quite impressive on an absolute scale and would be the stars in many other regions.

Shames is truly remote from anywhere. And also small unless you do backcountry. Castle is not small, and thus it's not off-radar anymore for Calgary weekend day-trippers. But the infrastructure is so low key that for the midweek destination skier it remains a stash.

I do advocate that inconvenience is often more than rewarded by lack of crowds. Even for big and/or famous places. Aspen is a good example vs. the busier places on I-70 closer to Denver.

 

[Patrick]

I sometime like places that are off-radar.

Usually there's a reason for that. Sometimes it's just being off the beaten path. More often it's a deficiency in snow or terrain. Or being overshadowed by more famous areas in the immediate region. .

There is also being overshadowed by the marketing departments. People generally prefer going to "known places"... in that aspect, places like Castle, Revy, etc are still unknown to many folks. Average American traveling skier only know the Banff areas and Whistler in Canada (okay, it might be an exaggeration, but you see the point). Most areas in the Western US have long been establish and get the publicity from years of the numberous US ski magazines. That isn't necessarily the case once you cross the border to Canada and even less so in SA.

La Hoya is farther south, better exposed and a bit higher on average than Catedral plus less traffic. So no surprise snow quality was better. But it was also thin judging by the multiple comments about hitting rocks.

I was also skiing more off-piste here. The "thin" and hitting rocks might be totally irrelevant. That was hit off-piste in powder. I remember that I did a good job on my skis at Big Sky and Snowbird on a very good snow period. If you don't know the place, you don't necessarily what lies under the snow.

The most attractive "off-radar" places IMHO are the "overshadowed by more famous areas in the immediate region" ones.

That logic might apply to the US or the Alps, but that model doesn't apply in place where the skier population is small. Shames, places in the BC interior, SA, etc.

 

[Tony Crocker]

That logic might apply to the US or the Alps, but that model doesn't apply in place where the skier population is small. Shames, places in the BC interior, SA, etc.

Definitely agree on Argentine Lake District from your reports. The smaller places seem more attractive than the famous one, Catedral.

Shames is so remote than logistically anyone going there would likely be in the area for at least a week. And it's way too small for that unless your focus is on the backcountry.

Revelstoke will be an interesting test of Patrick's theory. "Largest vertical in North America" will certainly attract some people, even though it's very inconvenient to reach. Marketing people said 2008-09 skier vists were 25+% over pre-season projections. This with the crappy economy and a subpar ~80% of normal snow year.