Mad River Glen VT 3/5/2007

MikeM

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I have a hard time imagining skiing can get much better than it was yesterday at MRG, unless you're out West or in the Alps above tree line after a big dump.

I'd been watching the weather and thought about making the haul up to Jay but once I was confident MRG would have plenty of snow, that's where I decided to go. (Fortunately right now I have flexibility to take days off from work on short notice.) Found a room at a nearby B&B that included a lift ticket and breakfast for just $25 more than I'd have paid for the lift ticket, so I drove up Sunday night -- to get a good night's sleep and be sure to be at the mountain no matter how much snow they got. (Some mildly challenging driving conditions but not too bad.)

At 8:45 a.m., well rested and with a hearty breakfast in my belly, I became fifth in line for the single. Plenty of time to stretch and adjust my boot buckles to perfection. As I mentioned in a separate thread, I'd skied twice in the previous four days at a feeder hill local to me and I'd also done cross-country on my property pretty much every day for the past week, so as I rode up it occurred to me that I have never been as tuned up for a first run as I was now.

And what a day to be so well prepared. In short MRG had reported around 2' of snow since Friday, including 6" during the day Sunday and another 5-7" by Monday morning. Light to moderate snow continued all morning with occasional spurts early afternoon -- MRG counted another 4" during the day.

I'm not a super-advanced skier but can handle a fair amount of terrain so my first-tracks run was Upper Antelope to Grand Canyon. Next run was down a still largely untracked Catamount. Subsequently I got my ass kicked on Fall Line and I hit Upper Glades for my first time (for a variety of reasons I'd never skied MRG before this year). At one rest break on Upper Glades I commented to another skier that this actually was a bit beyond my ability -- and that that was exactly where I wanted to be in such perfect conditions.

I'm not able to really ski the woods (yet) but lots of people seemed to be having a blast doing so. I'd say Lower Antelope was my favorite run of the day -- apparently it had been groomed before the most recent snow days so the bumps, while plentiful, weren't excessively large. Relatively little skier traffic there, plenty of patches of untracked at late morning. At the bottom I figured I'd ski to the road rather than traverse the woods as I'd wanted to take a trip to the cooler in my car, and there was just one set of tracks down that last stretch. This went great until near the end when I hit the edge of what apparently is some sort of small wooden jump somone has built, at which time my skis stopped and I was launched into my own little version of Shock and Awe. But in 2' of powder, not so bad ... I wound up bagging the trip to the car and walking right back to the single anyway, snowy and with a story to tell ...

Anyway, no lift line to speak of on the single except maybe a few minutes long shortly before noon, at which time I did my one trip of the day up Sunnyside and had a blast on Quacky.

Reports were that it was going to get very windy in the afternoon so I skied nonstop from 9 a.m. to 1:45 p.m., then took just a 15-minute break for an energy bar and coffee. The wind wound up not being too bad, though it did pick up late in the day, with the occasional whiteout. My legs were getting pretty spent but I wanted to wring every last possible minute out of this glorious day and I did so by mostly opting for easier runs the last couple hours, skiing the edges slowly. Still kept finding some untracked stashes and by late in the day the upslope sides of the upper trails were getting filled in by wind. An absolute joy. And my last run included Lower Canyon so it wasn't like I totally wimped out at the end.

I was done at 4:15 p.m. -- a total of seven hours of ski time in conditions that defy words. My third powder day of the year (MRG 2/12 and Cannon 2/15 being the others) and the best ski day I've ever had in the East.


edits: add snowfall during day, other stuff
 
I was there and it was as good as MRG gets.

I was there from Sat 3/3 through yesterday 3/7 (spent 1 day at Sugarbush skiing lines off the Castlerock double and that was amazing too) and all 5 days were that way. Couldn't have planned my trip better. 5 days of powder heaven, untracked lines to be had with little effort in most cases.

I don't even know the names of half the tree shots we skied, all I know is that I can barely move today so I must have had alot of fun. My last run yesterday was an untracked shot top to bottm on 20th.

The 5 best days of the season hands down and maybe the best 5 day period of eastern skiing ever for me. Pretty busy at work today, hope to provide a more detailed report, maybe with a few pics (I skied with MRG's marketing director, Eric Freidman, my last few runs yesterday, he snapped a few shots of me) too.
 
I skied a few runs with Eric Friedman on March 17, 2003, including Paradise. Conditions were a bit different, T-shirt skiing at 60 degrees but still enjoyable.

I believe the past week is supportive of my comments about the Northern Vermont Snowbelt vs. most other eastern skiing. Contrast this report with the one from the same day at Attitash.
 
Tony Crocker":ay2pkncz said:
I skied a few runs with Eric Friedman on March 17, 2003, including Paradise. Conditions were a bit different, T-shirt skiing at 60 degrees but still enjoyable.

I believe the past week is supportive of my comments about the Northern Vermont Snowbelt vs. most other eastern skiing. Contrast this report with the one from the same day at Attitash.

Eric is a great guy and an excellent skier.

He took a few pics of me yesterday, one came out pretty well and made the snow conditions page:

http://www.madriverglen.com/?Page=conditions.php

That's me in the undisclosed glade...now I want to go back.
 
Jim , Just returned from MRG and correct it was as good as it gets will report later with pics. Think I saw you guys skiing ( were you with a group with green paper tags on the jackets ? )
 
Anthony":1u470o23 said:
Jim , Just returned from MRG and correct it was as good as it gets will report later with pics. Think I saw you guys skiing ( were you with a group with green paper tags on the jackets ? )

I think so...I lost my name tag on our first run. There were a few groups out on the hill with PSIA name tags. Best way to tell if it was me is the loud yellow jacket.

I just posted a TR for my trip and there's a pic of me in the post. Is that the skier you saw?
 
"I believe the past week is supportive of my comments about the Northern Vermont Snowbelt vs. most other eastern skiing. Contrast this report with the one from the same day at Attitash."

(Sorry I'm not sure how to do a proper quote.)

I skied Gore on 3/3 and 3/4 and Whiteface on 3/5. I'd call Gore B+ on those days (especially Sunday when the woods up top were killer). Whiteface was out of this world. What must have been 12" of fresh on top. Fresh lines in the trees all morning long. (Couldn't ski the afternoon as I had a commitment for work.) Hell fresh lines on the groomers til 10 am.

I never went off the map, I was just following people who looked like they knew what was up. It was the first time I'd been to WF so maybe it was an exception. I'm no expert on the Face, but I do know that it's not in northern Vermont.

I didn't read the report for Attitash yet.

Mark
 
Tony Crocker":gnooz8on said:
"I believe the past week is supportive of my comments about the Northern Vermont Snowbelt vs. most other eastern skiing. Contrast this report with the one from the same day at Attitash.

Harvey44":gnooz8on said:
"I never went off the map, I was just following people who looked like they knew what was up. It was the first time I'd been to WF so maybe it was an exception. I'm no expert on the Face, but I do know that it's not in northern Vermont.

Although I was sick last weekend and I've hear from a collegue that the conditions at Tremblant are amazing. I didn't know that it was in Vermont? :lol:

Here is a quick list of reports with pics from Zoneski. Everyone is pretty much saying the same thing...amazing.

Here are some Laurentians reports. The second one is from Frankontour.

La Réserve on March 2nd

Alta on March 3rd

Eastern Townships (just North of Vermont)

Orford on March 2nd

Sutton on March 4th

Quebec City area. Massif du Sud is on the south shore and is part of the Appalachains (as Adstock is between the Eastern Townships and the Quebec area). All the other areas are on the North shore, I also added the last report from LeMassif (taken on the 24th) where Jean-Luc Brassard skied a few runs with some people from ZS.

Massif du Sud on March 3rd

MAssif du Sud on March 5th

Adstock on March 4th

Ste-Anne on March 7th

Stoneham on March 6th

Le Massif on February 24th

In the Lower St. Lawrence and Gaspé peninsula (extension of the Appalachians). Not sure if you'll be able to access the Chic Chocs report as it's limited to registered members).

Val d'Irène from March 5th to 7th

In the Chic Chocs in the last two weeks.
 
I note that Gore is about the latitude of Killington and Whiteface the latitude of Burlington.

Whiteface's annual snowfall of 149 inches is much lower than anywhere on the Green Mountain spine. Whiteface also has a reputation of wind stripping snow from its trails.

I have never tried to get any info from Gore, but unlike many eastern areas, the reports I read here are more favorable than I expect. Any subjective info on Gore's snowfall vs. Killington or Whiteface would be appreciated. Or subjective comments about its terrain and reliability vs. say Cannon or Wildcat?

I would expect these Adirondack areas to be better than NH and maybe even Vermont in terms of rain incidence. Over the years I've observed that the rain/snow line often runs SW to NE roughly parallel to the Eastern Seaboard. Last weekend it appear than much of NH was on the wrong side of that line while the Greens and Adirondacks were on the snowy NW side of it.
 
With regard to Patrick's comments about Quebec, I think we know about that already. Less rain incidence due to lower temps/farther from the Atlantic. But snowfall way under 200 inches except Le Massif and maybe the townships bordering Vermont and the remote Saguenay areas. I'm sure the Gaspe/Chic-Chocs get a lot, but the typical eastern skier could get to Alta or Vail in less time than to the Gaspe.

It looks this storm was quite widespread NW of the rain/snow line. My initial impression from Riverc0il's Jay Sunday report was that it was quite localized, as he commented that MRG didn't have much fresh that particular day.

My impression is that powder days at Tremblant are very rare.
 
Tony Crocker":3ir0vx9z said:
With regard to Patrick's comments about Quebec, I think we know about that already. Less rain incidence due to lower temps/farther from the Atlantic. But snowfall way under 200 inches except Le Massif and maybe the townships bordering Vermont and the remote Saguenay areas.

I think that most of the Appalachains would have good snow accumulations. Charlevoix and Saguenay are the only regions that also get good snow accumulation that aren't part of the Appalachians.

I just checked on the Massif du Sud website (South of Quebec City and not close to Vermont), snow total 232 inches last year.

High since 1998-99 is 240 (00-01)
Low is 171 in 1998-99.
Average: 212

http://www.massifdusud.net/conditions.asp

Tony Crocker":3ir0vx9z said:
I'm sure the Gaspe/Chic-Chocs get a lot, but the typical eastern skier could get to Alta or Vail in less time than to the Gaspe..

Probably, however I hope Lucky Luke post some of his pics. He's moved in the Gaspe Peninsula for a few weeks. 8)

Tony Crocker":3ir0vx9z said:
It looks this storm was quite widespread NW of the rain/snow line. My initial impression from Riverc0il's Jay Sunday report was that it was quite localized, as he commented that MRG didn't have much fresh that particular day.

No, it wasn't localized at all. I believe the epiccentre of the storm in Quebec was Montreal. I believe they received slitghtly over 1 foot of snow, Ottawa might have received 6-8 inches. Quebec gets little snow from the Northeasteners (except part of the Appalachains). Most snowstorms move along the GreatLakes and the St.Lawrence valley.

Tony Crocker":3ir0vx9z said:
My impression is that powder days at Tremblant are very rare.

Yes, powder (by powder connaisseurs) at Tremblant are rare. Too far north in respect to most of the storms. The Laurentians snowbelt is 30 minutes further south.
 
Tony Crocker":1be0lej1 said:
It looks this storm was quite widespread NW of the rain/snow line. My initial impression from Riverc0il's Jay Sunday report was that it was quite localized, as he commented that MRG didn't have much fresh that particular day.

Huh? Not much fresh at MRG on Saturday/Sunday?

That wasn't chopped liver I was skiing on, was it?

From Friday 3/2 through Monday, 3/5 well over 30" of fresh fell in the MRG/Sugarbush area.

Steve needs to get away from Jay more.
 
From JimG's report there were 2 major storms at MRG, first one Friday, second one Sunday afternoon/evening. River was making his call Sunday morning, a correct call at the time. As it was the first report I read here, I drew an incorrect conclusion, particularly when next followed by the Monday report from Attitash.

With multiple reports in, there is now a more complete picture.

Massif-du-Sud's peak is 3,000 feet, higher than the areas north of the St. Lawrence near Quebec City. admin's feature makes it clear that's it's an area worth checking out if you're near Quebec City (I ignored this advice in 2003). I would be surprised if any place in the Laurentians averages as much as 200 inches.

When Quebec gets a significant widespread storm, I presume the proliferation of medium size areas slows down the rate of snow getting tracked out. I'm not recalling why Patrick missed out on last weekend's bounty. Health?
 
Whiteface reported 33" over that same timespan. I could only comment on the day I was there - as I said looked like about a foot, in places where the wind wasn't piling it up.
 
Tony Crocker":3td2jvyr said:
I'm not recalling why Patrick missed out on last weekend's bounty. Health?
Atchoum...sneeze...

An extremely rare occurance happened on Sunday (maybe a first?). Morgane, Tara and my wife all went skiing on Sunday while I stayed at home. :oops:

Tony Crocker":3td2jvyr said:
I would be surprised if any place in the Laurentians averages as much as 200 inches.

I think that what I said? Besides the Appalachians, only the Charlevoix/Saguenay would receive that much snow.

Tremblant claims 150 inches.

Here is a drive through EC weather station from Montreal and Tremblant along the Laurentians autoroute (and beyond for the Tremblant airport).

Montreal 86 inches (elev 35m)

St-Jerome 88 inches (elev 170m) - just outside the St.Lawrence valley and into the Laurentians.

St-Sauveur doesn't have a weather station (Snowbelt is between St-Sauveur and Ste-Agathe). - 45 miles from Montreal

Town of Ste-Agathe received on average 144 inches (elevation 374meters)* ski areas probably get a bit more. - 55 miles

St-Faustin: 100 inches (elev 365m) - 65 miles and maybe 10-15 miles from Tremblant.

La Macaza (Tremblant airport is located): 75 inches (elev 243m)
 
Tony Crocker":38656ivw said:
From JimG's report there were 2 major storms at MRG, first one Friday, second one Sunday afternoon/evening. River was making his call Sunday morning, a correct call at the time. As it was the first report I read here, I drew an incorrect conclusion, particularly when next followed by the Monday report from Attitash.

Apparently I misunderstood this situation too...I assumed that Jay got hit with both storms. I'm still utterly ignorant as to whether Jay got that additional snow on Sun/Mon, but it sounds like the answer is no or not much.

The Sun/Mon storm seemed to be mostly lake effect snow...During rare breaks in the clouds you could see Champlain from the top of Stark's nest and the snow was definitely moving in from the lake. Whiteface got hit with that too.

I would be surprised to learn that Jay didn't see any of that additional snowfall.

My apologies to both Tony and Steve for my somewhat snide remark above.
 
JimG.":45e4lmdj said:
Steve needs to get away from Jay more.
Believe me, I am trying ;) When I made my decision on that Sunday, Mad River was not reporting any fresh on Sunday morning despite my general preference for Mad River. Clearly the report was not updated to reflect what was happening though I definitely believe I made the right choice as Sunday the 4th was my best day of the season and I enjoyed untracked all day. Let me give you the tour at Jay on a powder day without crowds and you can be the judge ;) I still have three tickets to MRG that I have been just dieing to use, so you probably won't be seeing any Jay reports from me for a few weeks.

For the record, 23 days at Jay out of 34 days on the season so exactly one third of my ski days have not been at Jay despite having a season pass at Jay. I estimate after deals, discounts, and Vermonter pricing, my break even point was approximately 18 financially though practically I wanted at least 25 Jay days to make being locked into a Jay pass acceptable. I am pretty much there.
 
riverc0il":dca29l1t said:
JimG.":dca29l1t said:
Steve needs to get away from Jay more.
Believe me, I am trying ;) When I made my decision on that Sunday, Mad River was not reporting any fresh on Sunday morning despite my general preference for Mad River. Clearly the report was not updated to reflect what was happening though I definitely believe I made the right choice as Sunday the 4th was my best day of the season and I enjoyed untracked all day. Let me give you the tour at Jay on a powder day without crowds and you can be the judge ;) I still have three tickets to MRG that I have been just dieing to use, so you probably won't be seeing any Jay reports from me for a few weeks.

For the record, 23 days at Jay out of 34 days on the season so exactly one third of my ski days have not been at Jay despite having a season pass at Jay. I estimate after deals, discounts, and Vermonter pricing, my break even point was approximately 18 financially though practically I wanted at least 25 Jay days to make being locked into a Jay pass acceptable. I am pretty much there.

MRG didn't really get any fresh on Sunday morning, just leftovers from Friday's storm. It didn't start to snow there in earnest until Sunday afternoon. So you made the right call.

One of these days I'll bite the bullet and make the extra 2 hour drive past MRG to Jay and take you up on your offer.

And BTW, I can think of worse scenarios than being "locked" into a Jay pass.
 
Steve, this weekend looks like a good time to get down to MRG and use 2 of those tickets...already snowing in the MRV.

With the heaviest snow forecasted from the Catskills NW to Maine, it looks like most everyone will share in this event.

Get out there and ski!
 
Word, MRG has been the plan all week even before the snow storm details were released, so it is now pretty much a lock. Can't wait!
 
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