(Non-skiing) Climbing Red Cliffs - Draper, UT 7/27/08
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Marc_C
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Remember that you are in very rural location with only a single large town nearby. What you just described would be well over $2M in Fairfield couty CT, without the land. In northern NJ with easy access to Manhattan, the land alone would be $25M - $30M. In Sillicon Valley, $750K will get you a run-down 400 sq ft studio in an undesirable location. A houseboat in Seattle can easily top $2M. Please stop trying to compare apples to kiwis in these threads.Sharon":2dliu5lc said:
I disagree with Marc's assertion that $750 is near the top end of housing prices in the Salt Lake valley. Take that same $750K, 5k sq ft on a 1/4 acre and put it at the mouth of LCC or the new gated development in BCC and it would double in price. Move it instead to Taylorsville or Kearns and it wouldn't be more than $500k. Sandy and Draper are more expensive than Cottonwood Heights, Holladay, or parts of Mill Creek. But Olympus Cove, a section of Mill Creek is more expensive than any place I just mentioned. There are lots of houses in the $900k - $1.9M territory. So much here depends on how high on the east benches and how close to the canyons. The age of the neighborhood is also a big variable. For example, an Emmigration Canyon address immediately adds at least $150K to the price.
Sharon":l6uvzndc said:
At least we wait until July or August for our wildfire season:
The Ithaca Journal":l6uvzndc said:
Poor Jessica, she must be upset at where the Ithaca Journal cut that extract summary off!
I refuse to buy a newspaper archive just to make a point:
http://search.theithacajournal.com/sp?e ... teIdType=2
Marc_C
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Not only does our fire season start in the summer where it belongs ( :? ), but I'll be shocked if the Corner Canyon fire started by any means other than human idiocy. A clear, cloudless day with zero lightening, during lunchtime, coincidentally at or very near a parking area used for mtn biking, hiking, and parties. Draw your own conclusions.
Update since I started writing this...
From the KSL site:
Update since I started writing this...
From the KSL site:
Marc_C":3bb4tzc4 said:
I'm not claiming that there aren't nice places in SLC, and everyone's got different idea of what constitutes a good living space. Clearly, there are people who actually like that cookie-cutter thing (it's like what a friend once said about unattractive women: "someone's gotta go out with them" :mrgreen
. In my limited time there, I liked parts of Sugarhouse and The Avenues... probably because they corresponded to my present EC environment. It's the same in most cities. While most of Denver is a wannabe-LA (just as many accuse SLC of being a wannabe-Denver), there are lots of really sweet homes in and around the Capitol Hill area. I'd have no problem moving back there, as long as I didn't have to deal with commuting on I-25 and I could figure out how to avoid the hordes going to/from the mountains.
rfarren
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I don't think people move to SLC for the aesthetic of the city itself. I must admit I think the sprawling layout is a bit ugly, and for that matter inefficient. However, the mountains behind the city overshadow everything and are awesome! I really believe many people move to SLC for the outdoor activities. I suppose, you don't have to worry about ugly sub-developments when you are in the middle of the wasatch in any season.
Everything is a balance. I moved to Brooklyn from Manhattan because I wanted more space but didn't want to lose an urban setting, and the awesomeness that is the NYC music scene. Yet, Brooklyn offered me more space and IMHO is more aesthetically pleasing because the buildings are older and not as tall and it offers a bit more space. It feels almost a bit like europe. Yet, the one drawback... I'm further from the mountains.
If I left NYC, ideally I would want to live in a mountain "town." That could be unrealistic though when you consider the economy and or getting a job. SLC, then offers a metro area where one can find a job and where one can enjoy the mountains.
So, hey, if you are lucky enough to have good rock climbing close to home, and even if they overlook an ugly housing development, the more power to you. I think of it as SLC's version of stickball.
Everything is a balance. I moved to Brooklyn from Manhattan because I wanted more space but didn't want to lose an urban setting, and the awesomeness that is the NYC music scene. Yet, Brooklyn offered me more space and IMHO is more aesthetically pleasing because the buildings are older and not as tall and it offers a bit more space. It feels almost a bit like europe. Yet, the one drawback... I'm further from the mountains.
If I left NYC, ideally I would want to live in a mountain "town." That could be unrealistic though when you consider the economy and or getting a job. SLC, then offers a metro area where one can find a job and where one can enjoy the mountains.
So, hey, if you are lucky enough to have good rock climbing close to home, and even if they overlook an ugly housing development, the more power to you. I think of it as SLC's version of stickball.
Marc_C
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I feel there are shockingly few cities in the world where this isn't truerfarren":26gkkay3 said:
Alas, that can be said of the vast majority of cities, even the small ones, west of the Mississippi. For it's size, Boise ID is an amazing sprawl, as is Missoula and Bozeman.rfarren":26gkkay3 said:
Without a doubt. But there are also ample job opportunities, and the U, with the Huntsman Cancer Institute, is a huge draw.rfarren":26gkkay3 said:
Actually, it sorta more feels like you're living in a vacation destination - at least as compared to northern NJ and southern & central CT where I've lived before.rfarren":26gkkay3 said:
I wouldn't call that development ugly - the houses are actually pretty nice, even if they're the same. Sure, right now there's little landscaping since they're so new. Give them a few more years. I find that development far more appealing than either the endless streets of similar 1200' sq ft 1950's brick bungalows that comprise a very large amount of the housing closer to SLC or the $150K starter-home boxen in many of the cheaper suburbs.rfarren":26gkkay3 said:
rfarren":33lp3fa8 said:
You're going into uncharted territory with that one.
Sharon
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Admin wrote:
we don't have a wildfire season...that was just a dry period that was quite an anomoly...usually it is dry in June...but this year we have had plenty of rain and there has not been any drought or wildfires that I know of.
and furthermore, most of the brush fires are those that are set by people who are trying to burn their yard waste...especially in the spring after a winter that had an ice storm.
We had a burn ban for 3 days when it got pretty dry. We were having a party that weekend (my bday) and wanted a bonfire, but that was a big no no during that short window, however, it did rain right away and the burn ban was cancelled the monday after our party.
Marc, you really had to dig for that one...and that hardly is enough to make your point.
we don't have a wildfire season...that was just a dry period that was quite an anomoly...usually it is dry in June...but this year we have had plenty of rain and there has not been any drought or wildfires that I know of.
and furthermore, most of the brush fires are those that are set by people who are trying to burn their yard waste...especially in the spring after a winter that had an ice storm.
We had a burn ban for 3 days when it got pretty dry. We were having a party that weekend (my bday) and wanted a bonfire, but that was a big no no during that short window, however, it did rain right away and the burn ban was cancelled the monday after our party.
Marc, you really had to dig for that one...and that hardly is enough to make your point.
Sharon":8eizn3su said:
It was actually quite easy -- go to the Ithaca Journal website and search the archives for "wildfire." I had a plethora of options to choose from.
Point being, wildfires happen everywhere. On the other hand, rain and ice storms in mid-winter don't. Enjoy yours this January. :wink:
A jinx on Alta would be 300 inches of snow. :-({|=
Sharon
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while this may be true, wildfires in our area are actually quite rare, are very small in size and are usually extinguished the day they are reported. it is a whole different animal here.
um, yeah...this is true...and that is why I am likely spending half of January in Utah, in an ugly (albeit comfortable) duplex in Cottonwood Hts. I hope to be pushing the snowblower up that driveway daily.
(Admin, plan B fell through...back to plan A)