Park City Mountain Canyons Park West Wolf Resort announced!

Evren

Evren

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Read all about it here:

http://www.firsttracksonline.com/2014/1 ... t-in-utah/

As for the name, it is only my idea -- but you need something like that given how wide it will be. Otherwise, you can't write it across and fill the space on a map.

What do I like about it?

20 minutes door-to-door, to the biggest ski area in America. Eat my shorts, Admin!

The gondola opens up gated access to PineCone Ridge -- I've never skied it. It looks doable on the map but in reality, there's a heckuva hike from Jupiter to there. The gondola should make things easier. South facing, though. Meh.

The lift improvements -- meh. Motherlode will still be a weird sideways long run-out lift, detachable or not.

Bigger Snow Hut restaurant. That was needed. I never eat there but seen it very crowded and almost impossible to find a seat. Again, meh.

I guess the improvement I'm most interested in already happened this year with EPIC. But it will be nice to be able to wander so wide and far... after all, it's not my $50 million.
 
Evren
A few things:
The gondola probably the most expensive single item. It should if designed correctly should stop at or near the high point of lower pinecome ridge. This area is near quarter moon on the map. This is purity speclative given the little overlay on the topo map vail presented. With the midstation there will be a shared patrol shack there and a bigger presence and much easier access for patrol work to occur. I would expect a min of 100" to fall before opening the south east facing pinecone PCMR side, generally around late dec or early jan. This terrian is similar to the hobacks at Jackson, south east facing maybe steeper and a bit shorter depending on where those start. By early march it's pretty much over except on storm days but it rarely opens quick enough before the snow sets up. Now they will have to glade certain areas lower on the face since it gets real tight with aspens, but the skiing could be really good in there. Here are some elevations to play with. Top of pinecone via hike from Scott's bowl 9900' , guessing here but the high point I speak of by quarter moon is around 9600. Bottom of silver load or gondola base is 7850' bottom of motherload is 7930'.
This why the motherload improvement is so needed and on the books next summer instead of thaynes or pioneer. You have to take motherload or king con to get out of thaynes canyon. There is TNT ridge between the gondola and the ski exit off pinecone. So in summery you would have lift access to ~1500 vert of steep terrian (albeit south east facing) higher alt skiing a PCMR, this around 500-750 acres of area I bet. This is a step in the right direction for more quality skiing on the wasatch back, the other would be opening up more high terrian at the canyons.
There is also planned a couple of runs to be cut to access iron mtn on the canyons side which will be north facing and have added snow making.
The mother load lift is 1250 vert, nothing to scof at and has a vast area of terrian( think wildcat at alta with less snow) the skier traffic in there is super low and the lift is super slow. You can catch powder 2-3 days late if you know where to go. It too could use some glading in motherload meadows but this is one of the most underutilized parts of the mtn.
Purely speclative again but I would like to see the old motherload lift installed on the west face of Jupiter peak up on the current high west traverse ( dead tree on map) this would be meet with a lot of resistance by the purists but it would give easy acess to the north facing aspects of Jupiter bowl and to the peak as well. And quite bitching about a traverse or run outs in a ridged mtn range.
I expect the lodges to be really amazing and the food to improve dramatically. This is a big deal and look for PCMR to move up to number 3 in most rankings next fall. Honestly passing deer valley for #2 is not far fetched. Not that I care but we know vail does.
 
Pinecone is indeed terrific terrain. TRam mentions Quarter Moon -- Evren, you may recall that we were skiing creamed corn on lower Quarter Moon while you were bitching about hardpack on the groomers that you were foolishly skiing one day last season: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11429&hilit=moon#p71839 . That post even includes a photo of TRam's cameo appearance that day. :wink:

I totally understand the need to upgrade Motherlode, but I for one will be disappointed to lose those oft-overlooked trees. I also question whether or not the Summit House area can afford to have yet another high-speed, high-capacity lift dumping traffic off up there. It's a total crapshow already as it is.
 
Like your version better: "Motherload" vs "Motherlode" ;))
For some reason I read all that thinking it was Marc_C posting... and thinking "Man, this is awfully polite for him" and "How does he know all this re PCMR?"
I will comment on the only topic that I am expert in: food. I like to hit Silver Star Cafe for lunch in that vicinity. A whole lot more cozy. Had great service there recently, though that was off-season.
Like I said, I know too little about PCMR from the few days I've skied there and those were some meh days there but hope to change that this year. If it ever snows again.
Good post, though.

>quality skiing on the wasatch back
We already have that, with Snowbasin ;)) Yeah, I'd like to see it happen closer. But PCMR seems bound to its topography (I look at it all summer from my bedroom).

Admin said:
>while you were bitching about hardpack on the groomers that you were foolishly skiing
Someone has to do it, to provide well-rounded reports, here.
 
Evren":236rrosu said:
>quality skiing on the wasatch back
We already have that, with Snowbasin ;))
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Snowbasin isn't the Wasatch Back, it's the northern Wasatch Front.
 
Evren":36esivyk said:
Anyone can draw red lines on a map...
But it takes true commitment to edit Wikipedia to reflect your side of the story:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowbasin
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Yep, Wikipedia -- a user-submitted "encyclopedia" -- is always right. You could've even written that yourself.

Hey, I read it on the Internet, so it must be true!
 
>You could've even written that yourself.

I just told you I did, above.

And your hand-drawn lines, it is the work of a famous cartographer?
 
Evren":1qrf5hgf said:
>You could've even written that yourself.

I just told you I did, above.
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Ahhh...misread your intent on that one. Sure proves my point, though! :lol:

Evren":1qrf5hgf said:
And your hand-drawn lines, it is the work of a famous cartographer?
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Yup, Leonardo da Guido. Few realize that he mapped out Utah in the late 15th century. I read it on Wikipedia.
 
The Wasatch Back is considered to be the eastern side of the range. The town of Morgan is definitely on the Wasatch Back, as is Mountain Green, which you pass through going to Snowbasin from SLC. The Wasatch Back Ragnar Relay includes a leg at Snowbasin.

Sorry Admin, Snowbasin, on the east side of the range, is definitely a Wasatch Back resort.
 
You guys are both whacked. Go to the top of Snowbasin and look over the edge. What do you see? The Great Salt Lake! That mountain doesn't get any more Front Range than that! By contrast, Alta and Snowbird are much further into the interior of the range then Snowbasin.
 
I'M RINGING MYSELF IN ON A CONVERSATION THAT ISN"T GONNA _UCKING CHANGE A THING ! NOW THE PLACE IS THE LARGEST CRAPPIEST SKI AREA IN THE STATE WITH THE CRAPPIEST SNOW IN WESTERN U.S. WE CAN ONLY HOPE THAT WHEN VAIL DIES THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM IN HELL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Admin, you seem to be maybe thinking of separate ridges as defining front and back, whereas my understanding is that you take the spine of the range; anything west of it is front and east is back for the wasatch. That's what makes bcc front and thayne's and every other pc canyon back, even though they butt right against each other.
Whether you can see the lake has nothin' to do with it, Mr. Vespucci.
 
Admin":3i7hvnxy said:
You guys are both whacked. Go to the top of Snowbasin and look over the edge. What do you see? The Great Salt Lake! That mountain doesn't get any more Front Range than that! By contrast, Alta and Snowbird are much further into the interior of the range then Snowbasin.
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It's still on the east side of the range. Doesn't matter what you can see from the top or how far into the "interior" of the range. By that logic, PCMR is the Wasatch Front since from the top of Jupiter you can see into Big CC and way out there the southern end of the SL Valley. If we're whacked, so are the towns of Mtn. Green, Eden, Huntsville, and Morgan, the Ragnar Rally, and even Snowbasin itself, since they all say they are the Wasatch Back.
 
Bobby Danger":29oa6il3 said:
I'M RINGING MYSELF IN ON A CONVERSATION THAT ISN"T GONNA _UCKING CHANGE A THING ! NOW THE PLACE IS THE LARGEST CRAPPIEST SKI AREA IN THE STATE WITH THE CRAPPIEST SNOW IN WESTERN U.S. WE CAN ONLY HOPE THAT WHEN VAIL DIES THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM IN HELL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dude! All caps and frothing at the mouth?
 
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