Park City Mountain Canyons Park West Wolf Resort announced!

[Admin]

You guys are both whacked. Go to the top of Snowbasin and look over the edge. What do you see? The Great Salt Lake! That mountain doesn't get any more Front Range than that! By contrast, Alta and Snowbird are much further into the interior of the range then Snowbasin.

It's still on the east side of the range. Doesn't matter what you can see from the top or how far into the "interior" of the range. By that logic, PCMR is the Wasatch Front since from the top of Jupiter you can see into Big CC and way out there the southern end of the SL Valley. If we're whacked, so are the towns of Mtn. Green, Eden, Huntsville, and Morgan, the Ragnar Rally, and even Snowbasin itself, since they all say they are the Wasatch Back.

So, by your logic, when I hike 100 verts above the Mt. Ogden Tram and ski around the back of Mt. Ogden to reach the Mt. Ogden Chutes, or when I step off the Strawberry gondola and hike 8 steps to access the traverse around the back of DeMoisey Peak I'm skiing in the Wasatch Front, even though I could spit and hit either ski lift that's allegedly located in the Wasatch Back? The fact is that those traverses are within the ski area boundary, so by your logic does that place Snowbasin both in the Wasatch Back and in the Wasatch Front? Wow, Snowbasin is much bigger than I thought!

I don't care which side of that particular mountain the lifts and trails are located on, the fact of the matter is that the individual mountain upon which said lifts and trails have been built is itself squarely located immediately along the Wasatch Front. There's absolutely nothing west of that mountain except the city of Ogden, the Great Salt Lake and desert, but the Wasatch Mountains continue for a considerable distance to its east. Once again, from that indisputable fountain of all knowledge that is Wikipedia:

The Wasatch Back is a region in the Rocky Mountains in the U.S. state of Utah. It includes such cities as Park City, Morgan, Heber City, and Midway. The name Wasatch Back differentiates it from the Wasatch Front, which includes Utah's three most populous cities: Salt Lake City, Ogden, and Provo

See that city directly beneath my feet in that photo above taken while skiing at Snowbasin? That's Ogden, which is indisputably part of the Wasatch Front.

(And just for the record, that quote above proves my earlier point about taking what you read on Wikipedia with a grain of salt, their accuracy on defining the Wasatch Front/Wasatch Back notwithstanding. West Valley is Utah's second most populous city. As of the 2010 census Ogden was way down at #7.)

 

[Marc_C]

Except Snowbasin isn't in Ogden - it's in Huntsville, a town on the Wasatch Back. You also cannot get to Snowbasin from the front - you must go around to the back side of the range. Just like you cannot get to Snowbird from Park City. And whether or not you care about where the lifts and trails are, that pretty much defines the location of a ski area for everyone else in the world. Just because a traverse or two is barely on the east side of the ridge hardly moves the entire ski area to the Front. That would be similar to saying Snowbird is in American Fork simply because of Mineral Basin.

You're using the same logic as someone else who thought Big CC and Little CC somehow meet.

 

[Admin]

Except Snowbasin isn't in Ogden - it's in Huntsville, a town on the Wasatch Back.

Despite where arbitrary town and postal service boundaries are located, neither of which have anything to do with topography:

• Snowbasin's Earl's Lodge to Huntsville: 5.9 miles
• Snowbasin's Earl's Lodge to Ogden: 4.7 miles

• Top of Snowbasin to Huntsville: 7.7 miles
• Top of Snowbasin to Ogden: 3.9 miles

 

[Marc_C]

Again, distance doesn't matter. It's all about being on the east side of the Wasatch Crest. Please tell me where in Ogden the Snowbasin parking lots, base area, base lodge, and lifts are located.

You're making a thing of distance - you're measuring to the center of town, but since Snowbasin is *in* Huntsville and not Ogden, the distance to Huntsville from either location you mention is zero miles, squarely putting it on the Back, even by your irrelevant metric. If you use distance, Alta must be on the Back since it's closer to Park City than to SLC.

 

[Admin]

Again, distance is irrelevant. It's all about being on the east side of the Wasatch Crest. Please tell me where in Ogden the Snowbasin parking lots, base area, base lodge, and lifts are located.

That's irrelevant. Tell me how much of the Wasatch Mountains are east of Park City, Heber, Midway, etc.? None, that's why those cities are Wasatch Back. And how much of the Wasatch Mountains is located to the east of Snowbasin/Huntsville? Lots -- Monte Cristo, Tony Grove and that entire area of the Wasatch Mountains lies to the east. Woodruff is Wasatch Back. Snowbasin is not.

 

[Marc_C]

Where is Snowbasin relative to the Wasatch Crest?

 

[Admin]

Where is Snowbasin relative to the Wasatch Crest?

Irrelevant.

Keep it up and people will soon realize that I actually pay you and Evren to argue to drum up business.

 

[Marc_C]

Tell me how much of the Wasatch Mountains are east of Park City, Heber, Midway, etc.? None, that's why those cities are Wasatch Back.

No, they're the Back because they are on the back side (east) of the Crest. And some of the Wasatch peaks to the south are east of PC (and not nearly as far east as Monte Cristo and Tony Grove from Snowbasin - which brings up another problem....)

And how much of the Wasatch Mountains is located to the east of Snowbasin/Huntsville? Lots -- Monte Cristo, Tony Grove and that entire area of the Wasatch Mountains lies to the east.

Neither of those are in the Wasatch. Monte Cristo is the highest peak in the Monte Cristo range and Tony Grove is in the Bear Creek Range.

[Edit: removed reference to Mt. Nebo being east of Park City - massive brain fart when I wrote that.]

 

[Admin]

And how much of the Wasatch Mountains is located to the east of Snowbasin/Huntsville? Lots -- Monte Cristo, Tony Grove and that entire area of the Wasatch Mountains lies to the east.

Neither of those are in the Wasatch. Monte Cristo is the highest peak in the Monte Cristo range and Tony Grove is in the Bear Creek Range.

Oh, now...come on! Those are nothing but sub-ranges of the Wasatch. So, Snowbasin isn't on the Wasatch Front, it's in the Mt. Ogden Range! And Snowbird isn't on the Wasatch Front, it's on the American Fork Twin Peaks Range or the South-Side-of-Utah-Highway-210-Also-Known-As-Little-Cottonwood-Canyon-Road Range! Let me go update the maps...

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y[/video]

 

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[Skrad]

Where is the Wasatch top? The bottom?

 

[Admin]

Where is the Wasatch top? The bottom?

Snowbasin. Both are at Snowbasin.

 

[Marc_C]

Oh, now...come on! Those are nothing but sub-ranges of the Wasatch. So, Snowbasin isn't on the Wasatch Front, it's in the Mt. Ogden Range! And Snowbird isn't on the Wasatch Front, it's on the American Fork Twin Peaks Range or the South-Side-of-Utah-Highway-210-Also-Known-As-Little-Cottonwood-Canyon-Road Range! Let me go update the maps...

And by that logic, the Wasatch is nothing more than a sub-range of the Rockies, so all our resorts are in.....Colorado???
You've learned well from Tony - you keep getting proven wrong, so you go off on irrelevant false equivalences to try and hang on to your tortured semantics. All that really matters is what side of the Wasatch Crest - aka the spine of the Wasatch - Snowbasin falls on, which happens to be in a town that identifies itself as being on the Wasatch Back. You still haven't answered the question of where all the Snowbasin facilities and lifts are located in Ogden.

 

[Admin]

Yes I did, I said it was irrelevant. I have no need to respond to a red herring. Just like another red herring: your comment on the Wasatch and the Rockies. You know damned well that they're separated by hundreds of miles of non-mountains. See the Monty Python video above.

The definition of the Wasatch Back as being on the east side of the crest - period - no matter how miniscule that distance may be, is completely arbitrary, and yours and yours alone unless you can prove otherwise. Well, OK, yours and Evren's, but I consider my sources.

 

[TRam]

Bobby- my post in response to yours was lighthearted, I rummaged through my kitchen looking for some pot to smoke
To try and help me make sense of your rant. I was unsuccessful and fell asleep still confused.

 

[jamesdeluxe]

I'm impressed that they've gotten this far without complaining about the East Coast.

 

[Marc_C]

The east coast is irrelevant regarding skiing!

 

[flyover]

Which nearly-100%-natural-snow resort, that does not allow snowboarding, is nearly 100% open as of today?

A hint: it's not in Utah, although according to some of what I've read above, it may actually be located in the Wasatch back.

 

[Evren]

I will have to keep this little spat in mind, when possibly discussing something less concrete with Admin.
He clearly will not budge from a position.
It doesn't get more little-endian/big-endian than this.

 

[jamesdeluxe]

He clearly will not budge from a position.

You just figured that out today?