Planned opening days

Sorry, I read too fast. I saw MSA open for the Colour Fest comment and thought that it was NOT for skiing. Great, and the question what is "the trail specially covered in snow for the occasion???" <BR> <BR>Tremblant: <BR>That's what I meant - out-of-bound Jonhansen/Pangman or between Soleil and Northsides and alot of walking-hiking. <BR> <BR>Stowe: <BR>I like the trail under the Gondola (in fact, there isn't many trails that I don't like). More or less constant pitch for the whole descent.
 
(isn't it "parben" ?) Ok, Pangman is the peak, but Parben is the trail... <BR> <BR>The longest off-piste inbound at Tremblant is probably between the Sissy Schuss and lower Beauchemin, but it's quite less long than the Sous-Bois des Cimes of Mt Garceau (near 2km long, 50% out of bounds, with the extensions.) <BR> <BR>(really too bad that there is so few snow on the lower south side. Imagine doing the Simon Cooper with a foot of fresh and a good base <IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"><IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"><IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"><IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"><IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"><IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"><IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"><IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"><IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"><IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"><IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"><IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"><IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"><IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"><IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)">)
 
<A HREF="http://www.tenneymtn.com/" TARGET="_top">http://www.tenneymtn.com/</A> - tenney's redesigned web page says opening date is now the 4th. better idea opening on a weekend i think.
 
About Ste-Anne: <BR>They will open one trail (the Pente-école) on Saturday and Sunday of next week (11 and 12), including some rails & boxes. It will be free of charge. (I do not know if the T-Bar will be operating though)
 
Thanks Max... I don't know where you found the info, but thanks, as we were speculating a lot for what would be open !
 
hey guys, <BR>here is a nice report from A-Basin. <A HREF="http://arapahoebasin.com/?page=site/snow_report&nav_id=de8e801000c42404f3aa42ed75521cbf&nav_parent_id=e03d6639d85a3876342366e01349b56a&nav_type_id=14&PHPSESSID=d284ed0fe9d8832a9b1a87cc2b17b302" TARGET="_top">http://arapahoebasin.com/?page=site/snow_report&nav_id=de8e801000c42404f3aa42ed75521cbf&nav_parent_id=e03d6639d85a3876342366e01349b56a&nav_type_id=14&PHPSESSID=d284ed0fe9d8832a9b1a87cc2b17b302</A> should be exciting to see. <BR>Porter In NH
 
Wow !! <BR> <BR>I was really wondering if I missed something, when I saw 35 trails open + 2 lifts out of 6... but no, it's still closed but will open on october 24, weather depending. This is the same day than Loveland ! <BR> <BR>The pic is really wonderful <BR><IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/messages/8/2801.jpg" ALT="High Noon...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm"> <BR> <BR>On the other side, Timberline should reopen soon if it continues to dump in Oregon !!
 
Big opening for Mont Sainte-Anne last weekend. ;-) <BR> <BR>Hmm, I was a little bit far, with my complete length on the Grande-Allée ! lolol <BR> <BR>Hey Pat, good idea to stay in Ottawa instead of driving 5½ hours !! <BR> <BR><IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/messages/8/2802.jpg" ALT="I prefer Tenney">
 
My question is not when the areas open, but, when do you guys anticipate your own first tracks. I usually wait until early December. <BR> <BR>Many years I have skied in the third week of November, and only twice have I strapped boards on my feet before then. I like to wait for top to bottom skiing with at least some natural snow in the mix. <BR> <BR>I know it can be hard to wait but If I'm just yoyoing a couple of skied out groomers with masses of people I get bored really quickly and wish I had waited until things were more,well...open.
 
anonymous, during my first four years of skiing, you would have found me agreeing with you 100%.. i would not have even considered going skiing until i could go " real skiing " on " real terrain. i think most of the general public feels this way. and to me it's a major factor as to why most resorts, and now sadly killington, seem to want to put no effort at all into the shoulder seasons. the shrinking of the spring is the real trajedy, but i also mourn the early season cut as well. then a funny thing happened to me... i went to ski camp.. a real ski camp... not some p.s.i.a cookie cutter designed lesson package with an instructor who may be qualified to teach a level 3 ro 4 lesson and not much more than that....and it was like moses parting the sea.... camp didn't automatically make me a better skier, but it did automatically unblind me to the fact that i didn't know how to ski... properly and correctly. i don't want to start a whole debate here about whether there exist a proper way to ski and all that cause that debate will go on forever and can divide people into being perceived as snotty and elitist and all that crap. my point is that now i can greatly and even look foreward to , skiing a almost flat pitch " boring " bretton woods type run over and over again in october and november as i can to skiing a powder loaded goat or starr at stowe or the quad line at wildcat. the "boring" part comes from the skier.. not the terrain, folks... unless your name is bode miller and u are good enough to be getting paid to ski, there is much to do in terms of improvement and finding that elusive " perfect turn ". for me , i TRY to ski as well as i possibly can, all the time. 2 reasons 1) i think skiing properly reduces your likelyhood of being injured... and i need to pay the bills and 2 ) it's more fun when you know what the hell you are doing in AS MANY HECTIC SITUATIONS as possible. anyone who is even slightly aggressive skiing, is gonna find themselves in a situation where speed and pitch push you to a line you may not be ready to go over... having the skills to get through it makes it much more fun...my point? it all starts with the goal of the perfect turn... problem is most people think because they have on a pairs of parabolics and perceive that they are carving on perfect pp, that they are in fact doing that perfect turn... well you and i know that just ain't the case...sure, one flat trail at k with ice chips on it is gonna do little to hold my attention span if i just go out there, just to go out there... but to go out there and try to make perfect turns with perfect hands and knee angle and hips and all the factors that go into upper level skiing.. well like i said, no one's paying me yet to make turns... it's not my goal to get paid to make turns... my goal is to ski like i get paid to make turns... i don't see how that could NOT be the goal for anyone who skis more than 10 times a year. i would think the boring part would come from not being able to progress past a certain point or situation, year after year. don't get better by hurling yourself down runs that are over your head and saying.. if i just keep at this, i'll get better... the only thing your gonna get is hurt... i think there are many many skiers out there like that...i see that flat run at bretton in november as just as much of a challenge as any powder loaded bump run there is.... skiing to me cost too much money and takes to much of my time to be out " yoyoing " i don't yoyo... i try to " get something done" on every turn i make... try it.. it might give you a new perspective... it will defintely show you how bad most skiers are in terms of technique when you see that mad pack of dogs "yoyoing" down the one run... back on their heels , arms flailing and ski tips bouncin around like an irish step jig thinkin they are the cat's ass cause they got the new integrated ski binding set up that pete the shop guy told em is gonna ski by itself.... one other thing you might want to consider doing is going to ebay and grabbing a pair of old school mogul skis for 100 bucks.. ski these in nov and december to really see how far you are away from that perfect turn.. it will make you a better skier for sure, becasue straight skis do not carve unless you and only you do the carving.. no illusions.. no bs... unlike certain psia teachers in a group lesson... suddenly that boring flat run in nov is gonna seem a little more interesting...i can promise you that
 
I agree with joegm for the most part, but there is a "right way" to ski, and it's dirt simple: <BR> <BR>sliding down snow having fun. period. <BR> <BR>if you do that, you're going to enjoy the early season, harsh midwinter, and the warm sunny spring. <BR>I had to change my attitude towards skiing from "I'm great and this run/resort/province can't challenge me" to "hey, what can I do to make where I am now a challenge, and how can I have fun here." <BR> <BR>Once you do that... skiing ANY time of the year in ANY conditions is GREAT.
 
I agree with Jonny. I mean, I never took courses or ski camps, I have my own technique and my main reason to ski is to have fun ... and always defy the death. <IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"> <BR> <BR>As we don't have a lot of "you fall, you die" terrain here, it changes to glade-speeding and always try steeper, harder, more challenging terrain and to ski it like if it was *easy*. <BR> <BR>I need some very extreme sensations, cause my university life is extremely boring. This is another reason : forget about school. <BR> <BR><I>Any time of the year in any conditions is great</I> ± for me. I mean, skiing on some ice in february is not great, unless if it's at Alta where I have personnal spots <IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"> <BR> <BR>In general, I will love a lot the conditions of october/november skiing, cause there is nothing else and this is <B>skiing</B>... so I don't care of the conditions (also, last year at MSS on nov 2, the conditions were close to packed powder on the West 70 and there was a foot of fresh on november 19 for my 2nd ski day !) It's in mid-winter that I'm less satisfied of the conditions, in general, cause I would always expect some soft snow or even powder. In march, I hate the frozen granular skiing before it melts, so I like a lot the places like Val Saint-Côme directly facing south, cause it takes 15 minutes of sun and the job is done ! Obviously, at the end of the seasons, after the closure of the areas, I find extraordinary to see some snow, so I really don't care of its texture and find any snow great !!!!! <BR> <BR>For the first tracks (anonymous) : My average is near nov-25, but since few years, it's coming to the early november and I would like a lot to ski in october this year for the 1st time !!! <BR> <BR>My top 5 best opening days are : <BR> <BR>nov 2, 2002 <BR>nov 16, 2001 <BR>nov 23, 1997 <BR>nov 25, 1995 (day) <BR>nov 25, 2000 (night)
 
joegm, <BR> <BR>I see your point but am not sold. I have been skiing for 41 years now and for the past 7 have spent the majority of my days on snow skiing with my now 10-year old son. This has forced me to slow down... and usually I am concentrating on technique. I have always enjoyed skiing on a variety of terrain and conditions. I have a great time on ice or crust or crud because each presents it's own unique challenges and techniques. I am glad you railed against the "cookie cutter" ski schools because skiing is such an individual and self expressive sport and there is more than one way to skin a cat. Bode Miller, for example, got so good by skiing is way - not the coach's way. But you still won't find me turning 'em in October. I am all for areas making the snow though; that way when I finally make it out sometime between Thanksgiving and Christmas, there will be a decent base and plenty of runs to choose from... weather permitting of course.
 
well strappin on the stix for 41 years certainly buys you a reprieve of sorts i would say, for sure anonymous...41 years kicks my 8 years to the curb... i have a feeling that you are not one of the aggravating skiers i was refering to who seem to have no desire at all to improve and seem to have no regard at all for the other people around them... i still maintain though that for most people who plan to ski more than 10 times a season, it just makes sense to constantly be trying to improve... it's hard to improve unless one actively challenges onself.. whether through adverse conditions, ie early / late season snow, or constantly evaluating one's turns and whether they are true carves vs skids... the good feeling i get when skiing comes from when i perceive that i can do what ever i want with my sticks whenever i want...i am far from having this sensation 100% of the time at this point, especially since 99% of the time i am skiing bumps or trying to make short radius mogul turns on steep pitches.. but that incredible feeling of that subtle big toe pressure tipping causing that ski to rip around and being able to feel myself actively pulling my skis back underneath my hips instead of having them shoot out in front , is to me, the best feeling... and for me, as i believe is the case for most people, getting to that point and doing it consistently is not easily achieved....that was my point about being able to appreciate that one trail of frozen granular on a flat pitch at k mart in nov... for most of us, there is always something to work on.. it's just gonna make that day of 8 to 10 inches of 7% water content that much better and sweeter!!!! turn em good man!!!!
 
A lot of good philosophical ski questions arising today! Here's my humble contribution: <BR>--> Where do we derive pleasure in the activity of skiing? <BR>Anonymous' question concerning the value of yo-yoing in early season skiing makes it obvious that the conditions (snow, terrain, crowd) themselves are not a prerequisite to us enjoying a ski day - though all will agree that they have the potential to be reasons for enjoyment. <BR> <BR>In fact, my most pleasurable experiences on skis include both the best and the worst of the situations we usually like. Big snowfalls + low crowds are of course reason enough for enjoyment, but I also remember very well all those post-rain days where almost nobody venture on the slopes because they are rock-solid - somehow, I had found a way to enjoy these days. This makes me consider that the pleasure of skiing can be derived from three main aspects, in addition to conditions: <BR>- people (the ones we share our ski days with, either in presence or in discussion, such as here) <BR>- remoteness (from everyday life, and by connecting with nature & the elements) <BR>- challenge (technical, physical and "achievement") <BR> <BR>In early season, challenge is definetly an element, as you have to "get back on your skis", so though you may not get an extensive remoteness feeling with the limited terrain and crowds, you'll always find something special in your first ski day(s). If, like on this board, you're connected to people who are interested in what you do as a skier, or if you have friends/family to ski with, being on skis early in season can be a great experience. <BR> <BR> <BR>--> Is there an observable, objective "best" way of skiing? <BR>My background as a CSIA ski instructor probably influences the way I think, but YES! <BR> <BR>Now before I go any further in my explanations, let me state clearly that I entirely respect people who are content with the way they ski, and completely agree with Jonny in that the basis of skiing is to have fun. Yet, I think that technique is not like your mom's spaghetti sauce, which will always be the best; your way is not THE way. <BR> <BR>That "best" technique is not, however, a formula that can be applied anytime anywhere, but rather a dynamic state that consists, like other sports, of coordinating the right body movements to the given set of conditions (terrain features, obstacles, physical ability, snow) for a given purpose (racing, freeskiing, recreation) according to personal tastes (radius of turns, inclusion of jumps in skiing, etc). <BR> <BR>But then, you'll ask, if the best way of skiing is dependent on so many variables, doesn't it generate millions of possibilities? How can you pretend that there is a best way of skiing when there are so many good ways, and especially when all these ways cannot be learned/taught? <BR> <BR>My answer to this question leads us to the beauty of skiing as a personal challenge: it is true that all possibilities cannot be taught, but the abilities supporting your capacity to react "correctly" in all given situations can be improved. In fact, we can develop some of these abilities, such as stance & balance or control of pressures, by ourselves to a certain point, even if you don't think about it. The abilities are what a skier focused on technique should work on to become a better skier. <BR> <BR>Doing so - and seeing the progress you make, it in itself a very rewarding experience, as long as it does not overwhelm the very experience of skiing down a mountain. <BR> <BR> <BR>--> What's with yo-yoing? <BR>My guess is that this mostly is a cultural phonomenon. We, North-Americans, are interested in performance and efficience, and I think it is reflected in the way we ski - yoyoing is, after all, the best way to maximize skiing over the alloted time. <BR> <BR>This is much different from the European culture, where more importance is attached to the "complements" of skiing. Even our fondness for extreme stuff is based in our risk-taking culture. The FTO features on Japan shows a much different culture with regards to trail choice. <BR> <BR>In the end, however, it's up to you to adopt or not the cultural model that is in place. Though it may feel "inapropriate" at first, you may find yourself more comfortable in adopting other practices. <BR> <BR> <BR>Allright! Enough said for tonight! <BR> <BR>P.S. Anonymous, may I suggest that you pick up a nickname for your posts (even if just "RandomGuy" or "NoName"), as we might mix you up with potential newcomers who would post as Anonymous? Thank you.
 
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