Planned opening days

Max, if you don't like the "conso", try a master in psychology with a final research in behavior in skiing <IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"> <BR> <BR>About the technique, I don't think that I will ever think that there is "1" best technique in particular. <BR> <BR>May be it's because the fact that I'm used to hate the ski schools (sorry Max) (if I had taken a single ski lesson, there is 99,9999999999% chances that I would hate the ski since that time and I wouldn't be here, today for sure). <BR> <BR>The best technique should be the one that will bring you some fun and will allow you to reach the bottom of the hill safe on any kind of terrain ;) It's individual... I mean, most of the people wouldn't like to act identically to other persons... so why isn't the same thing in skiing ?
 
Allright guys I'm taking a big step here and abandoning my anonymous status. My given name is Marc, so I'm not going to use that as Marc Guido often chimes in here. I've grown kind of fond of anonymous so from here on out I will call myself Anon. <BR> <BR>I completely agree that there are so many variables in conditions and technique that it is impossible to teach for all conditions and terrain. That is a major part of the beauty and challenge of skiing for me and one of the reasons I continue to love the sport. I have friends, for instance, who used to ski moguls all day, every day they skied. They became excellent mogul skiers. Now that they are in their 40's they don't ski at all. Why? Because they got bored with it. (I'm sure they don't have the knees they used to either.) But mainly they were one dimensional skiers and they burned themselves out. <BR> <BR>I look for variety and challenge and fun. Bonding with my friends and family definately factor into my skiing experience, but often, for me skiing has been a very solitary and individual thing and I have come to cherish the time I spend alone in the mountains. <BR> <BR>And I still won't hit the slopes until a mountain is at least 50% open with top to bottom skiing.
 
Thanks Anon... it will be easier to recognize you, cause there is a big lot of "anonymous" especially in mid-winter ! <BR> <BR>About "one dimensional skiers", I think you have a solid point. I'm still very young, but in 10-15 years, I will seriously have to think to diversify my interests in skiing, cause I won't be able to continue like I do now when I pass 50 y/o. My father still manage to take the trails like Contour, Labrecque, Super, Lloyd, Lacroix... and even Écureuil at Orford, but not more than 4-5 runs by day in that kind of trails ! <BR> <BR>But for early season, I hope I'll be dedicated enough to try the MSSOD few more decades !! Anyway, I can't stop to love the Nordic & West 70 in early/late season ! But you know, I would never go to Orford before it's close to 100% open. Same thing for many ski areas and for every mountains I try for the 1st time... but MSS is so close from here and so fun when it's the only thing open ;-)
 
awww anon, just when u got the reprieve... i can't let the comment go man.. it's one of the biggest misconceptions about moguls...proper mogul technique has MINIMAL impact on ones knees... one certainly needs strong quads and hammy's, but true new school mogul skiing is all about absorption and extension.... it's the hardest thing in skiing to do but the ideal has the purchase and the touch of the ski tip pressing into the front face of the bump.. almost instantaneously after the initial touch., the active pulling up of the knees and pulling back of the feet under the hips ( should ) takes place... minimal actual impact on the knees takes place if this is executed properly... me, i'm still trying to do it consistently and i know of no one, outside of legit world cup mogul skiers who can do it close to 100 % of the time... henceforth, how could one be bored if one has less than perfect technique? you have validated what glen plake has espoused for years though, and with which i whole-heartedly agree with... mogul skiers are the best skiers on the mountian... ( this is not to say that jonny moseley is a better skier than bode miller... the top people in any discipline are the best ) i maintain that good recreational mogul skiers are better than good recreational racers... good mogul skiers can ski anything, ice, steeps, trees, powder,jibs with ease... mogul skiers are not one dimensional... good proper mogul skiing technique combines all the elements of fundamental ski technique... the only impractical implementation from solid bump technique comes when talking about pure alpine racing stances when running gates ( talk about boring!!!.... sorry bout that speed heads) how one could be considered a very competant bump skier with solid technique and feel bored with the rest of the mountain?, i can't relate to that.... ( i always get a kick out of watching the loon mnt. recreational race kids trying to make it down a bump field... they just won't/can't put the feet together) good bumpers, i would think, would be able to explore the whole mountain in such aggresive ways in such a variety of conditions, i just can't see how they could be bored... now if someone is bored with trying to become a good mogul skier.. that's a different story.. for another day.
 
Joe, Moguls are a specialized discipline and, while I agree they are extremely difficult to master to the point of smoothly skiing the zipper-line, I would no way say that bump skiers are the best on the mountain. One time I saw the U.S. Ski team out freeskiing through a mogul field, carving smooth gs turns through huge closly spaced bumps. Their thighs were pumping up and down like pistons but their upper bodies were smooth and steady, their skis hugging the snow. I would say that racers are the best on the hill - even though I've never been one.
 
Anon has expressed most of my opinions. My earlier comments about not going out to Snow Summit until 50-60% open fit pretty well. And skiing is definitely a multidimensional sport. The 40-something dropouts who were just mogul skiers are a good example (take note, joegm). <BR> <BR>During the 2002 Olympics I had an informal all-day tour of Alta's most obscure tree stashes from a 69-year-old who had inquired about my website. Moguls were the only area where I had to slow down much for him. If you stay fit you can ski trees, steeps and powder into your 70's. <BR> <BR>Nearly all of us have to ration our ski time and/or dollars. I choose to maximize interesting terrain, new experiences and hopefully fresh tracks. That means I now give up the lesser priorities like early season, and probably don't get as much instruction as I should. NASJA has a race every year and my times are an embarrassment. But I'm not going to start doing race clinics or summer camps until I'm retired and have more time.
 
I missed joegm' last comment there, and I wholeheartedly agree that moguls are excellent training for other aspects. There was an excellent article several years back where Powder brought together some big names from several disciplines at Whistler/Blackcomb for a few days and had them do each other's specialties plus a whole lot of aggressive freeskiing. I remember coming away with the impression that Nelson Carmichael was probably the best all around skier of that group. <BR> <BR>The impression that bumps are hardest on the knees is certainly widespread. Warren Miller regularly jokes that every set of knees has a finite number of lifetime moguls in them, and that if you want to ski till you're 80 you'd better do something else most of the time. And only in the bumps did my 69-year-old friend at Alta remotely look like an "old" skier. <BR> <BR>I do have one knee with no ACL and a torn meniscus, so I will stop doing something if it bothers that knee. And the only aspect of skiing that is a problem is terrain parks (airs, if I don't land perfectly), not moguls. Bumps are not my favorite part of skiing, but they don't bother my knees particularly. I do realize that knee injuries are all different and that some people may have to avoid the moguls.
 
Wow, I've often seen some "*war*" between skiers and snowboarders, but I think it's the 1st time between Speeders and bumpers ;-p <BR> <BR>For me, the best skiers would be the ones who can ski anything easily. So this would probably be the extreme skiers... or the bumpers, cause they are usually able to ski correctly on any terrain. <BR> <BR>Speeders : I wonder how they would feel, going into the Rumble or the Écureuil. I'm sure the bump skiers would find them quite cool and not so tough, if they're on olympics in bumps... and they would also find easy the trails taken by speeders (not at the same speed, though). For the speeders, I'm not sure if they would <B>all</B> be able to ski that kind of trails... <BR> <BR>Anyway... why to be the best ? Just have fun, this is the main thing ! <IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"> (and ski to 80 years if you can !!)
 
Mad River Glen: December 13th .... if Mother Nature cooperates. Sooner if she gets the lead out of her arse like she did last year.
 
A little summary, cause the info is now very sparse with a couple more subject in this thread <IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"> <BR> <BR>Tenney : oct 4 <BR>Loveland : oct 24 <BR>Arapahoe Basin : oct 24 <BR>Copper : nov 1 <BR>Sainte-Anne : nov 15 <BR>Wildcat : nov 15 <BR>Kanasuta (who cares) : nov 15 <BR>Sugarloaf : nov 21 <BR>Tremblant : nov 21 <BR>Jay Peak : nov 22 * <BR>Blackcomb : nov 22 * <BR>Sugarbush : nov 26 <BR>Whistler : nov 27 * <BR>Cannon : nov 28 <BR>MRG : dec 13 <BR> <BR>* = according to "<A HREF="http://www.carnetduski.com" TARGET="_top">http://www.carnetduski.com</A>"
 
I like skiing in almost any conditions and trails. I definately ski less moguls now at 38 than when I was 23. <BR> <BR>It's true that my knees and back have a hard time when I spend too much time in moguls, but this would also be true if I did 10-15 runs in the GS or Slalom course. <BR> <BR>The beauty of skiing for me is the variety. I am not a faithful skier to mountains/trails/style. Skiing is my only faith. I generally ski many different areas in one year, ski many different trails in one day (from green runs to double diamond). Groomed, Steep, Flat, Trees, Moguls, Ice, Powder, Sunny, Foggy, Snowny, Rainy, 80F to -40F, I have all had the privilege to experience great days in all these conditions. <BR> <BR>Skiing takes me away from the different life that most of the civilized(sic) world experience, in an office building in front of a computer most of the day. That's what I love about skiing. How many people at work complain about the weather (especially in Winter). For me, everyday would be a great day to ski, regardless of weather (ok, we need snow somewhere). Frank, I do care about when Mt.Kanasuata opens (even if I will probably never ski there). <BR> <BR>Early Season: <BR>This said, I unfortunately haven't skiied much prior to Christmas in the last ten years. If I would have the time and money, I would ski anytime, however I prefer saving my money to ski later in the year (when deals can be found and conditions are as good if not better than most of the season like in Spring as opposed to Autumn). To illustrate this, look below: <BR> <BR>These are my 5 earliest opening days (with last day later that year)(always since 81-82): <BR> <BR>Nov 9, 1991 - June 11, 92 (34 days) <BR>Nov 10, 1984 - May 29, 85 (35) <BR>Nov 11, 1990 - May 19, 91 (41) <BR>Nov 12, 1989 - May 21, 90 (37) <BR>Nov 14, 1981 - May 15, 82 (35) (From St.Sauveur to Gray Rocks) <BR> <BR>These are for the last 5 seasons: <BR> <BR>Jan 5, 2003 - May 3, 03 (38 days)(new baby) <BR>Dec 7, 2001 - May 4, 02 (39) <BR>Dec 20, 2000 - May 1, 01 (26) <BR>Dec 27, 1999 - May 21, 00 (22) <BR>Dec 13, 1998 - May 24, 99 (23)(1yr old at home) <BR> <BR>To futher illustrate this, since 1992-93, I skiied more times in May/June (19-6: 9% of ski days) than November/December (0-22: 8%). And the top two months are March (25%) followed by April (21%) compared with January (26%) and March (21%) since I started keeping stats in 81-82. <BR> <BR>However, I will probably start earlier this year (before my Parental leave ends). By checking for the dates, I just noticed that May 21, 2000 was the last time I skied Killington. This tell alot about the trend of my perception price/quality of early and late skiing at Killington.
 
For Mt Kanasuta, me too, I care of when it will open, but I don't think that a lot of other readers care too much for this less than 500' high ski area at something like 8h of road north of Montreal. <BR> <BR><IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/messages/8/2807.jpg" ALT="Kanasuta"> <BR> <BR>About skiing may/june, the comic fact is that I skied more this year in may/june than I skied in february the last 3 years added !!!! <BR> <BR>(skied 8 times may/june in 2003 and february : 2 days in 2001, 2 in 2002 and 3 in 2003 = 7)
 
Median first day of season: Dec. 16 <BR>Median last day of season: May 26 <BR>About 1/4 of seasons start earlier than Dec. 1 and about 1/4 of seasons have Northern Hemisphere skiing June 1 or later. <BR> <BR>Distribution of lifetime vertical by month: <BR>Jan. 16.7% <BR>Feb. 21.0% <BR>Mar. 26.5% <BR>Apr. 15.9% <BR>May 7.8% <BR>Jun. 0.4% <BR>Jul. 1.1% <BR>Aug. 0.4% <BR>Sep. 0.1% <BR>Oct. 0.1% <BR>Nov. 1.5% <BR>Dec. 8.8% <BR> <BR>About half of July plus all of Aug.+Sept. are Southern Hemisphere.
 
You guys are scraring me. I thought I was a die -hard skier, but I never kept track of any of the actual dates I've skied.
 
me neither, I used to count when i was in high school, but I've never even tried to estimate my vertical feet skied (or measure them with an altimeter)... <BR> <BR>Just out of curiosity, for those who do collect stats (beyond how many days per season), when and why did you start?
 
Well, it helps to know that Tony's a statistician by trade. It explains a lot. It's people like Frankontour that I can't understand. <IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/wink.gif">
 
Pfffft : I'm accountant... and so I play with stats and numbers all day long. <BR> <BR>Test this evening... more answer later
 
Ok, here are the explanations. <B>(don't read this message if you're not deeply dedicated to skiing, cause you will laugh, cry or get mad)</B>. Hmm, I hope people won't think I'm too much sick, after reading this... I'm a real stats dedicated + a dedicated skier, so the mix is quite dangerous. <BR> <BR>First, few little fast facts about me and skiing. <BR> <BR>7½ y/o : I began to ski (jan 1988) <BR>(and began to like ski in feb 1988) <BR> <BR>8 y/o : I was always asking the name of the trails we skied to my father. (I took my first extreme trail at 8, too) <BR> <BR>9 y/o : I was knowing every ski areas in the province with all their stats and I invented the formula that I still use to rate the ski areas size today. <BR> <BR>10-11 y/o : I began to draw some trail maps. I really skcu for drawing in general... and trail maps is probably the only thing I'm good to draw today <IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"> <BR> <BR>I kept my lift tickets a long time, in my early ski years, but I threw all to the garbage, one day (arggggggggghhhhhhhh what a mistake). <BR> <BR>In 1993, I did my 1st big summary of a ski season. I still laugh to see my drawn trail maps into it, although it's less worst than the very first ones. <BR> <BR>On this summary, I have my very 1st chart of best ski areas. The top 5 in that time was #1 : Val Saint-Côme, #2 : Garceau, #3 : Mt Blanc, #4 : Mt Gabriel and #5 was Tremblant. I also had my top 25 toughest trails ever. The "Sous-Bois" of Mt Blanc was my #1... it's still in my top 50 today. <BR> <BR>During summer 1995, I began to write the trails that I was hiking and the vertical I hiked in my days. So in november, when my ski season started, I did the same thing for my reports. (not vertical, though) <BR> <BR>Stats I had at this moment : <BR> <BR>Date ; Mountain ; trails taken (with their level) ; the toughest to less tough rating for the trails and the open lifts..... and a trail map drawn with color codes. <BR> <BR>If you think I was crazy when I was doing this, please DON'T READ the following 3 paragraphs. <BR> <BR>Now I must say it's really easy and fast, cause I took a part of the boring summer 2002 to draw and scan the trail maps for every ski areas where I ski, so I have just to print and to fill with few colors the trails I've skied, etc... but for the stats sheet, it's a little bit more complete than it was in 1995, although I also have complete models in Excel, so it's really fast to do : <BR> <BR>Date ; mountain ; skis used ; trails taken, Rating 1-10 for them ; First trail taken in the day ; last one ; Number of times I skied each trail ; level of difficulty of the trails ; approx. percentage taken ; percentage of the trails that were open (only the ones I took) ; the number of times I took the trails closed if so ; the top 5,10 or 20 toughest trails and favorite trails of the day (depending of the number of trails taken) ; The lifts taken, how much times each ones ; the approx. vertical of each one and the vertical feet (and metric) skied in the day. <BR> <BR>Oh yeah, it's true, I also do a little resumee in words... pretty cool to read, during summer after. <BR> <BR>OK, I know what you're going to say (or at least think), and it's true, I'm simply sick and I should see a psychiatrist LOL. 3-4 years ago, it would have been true, but now, to do the draw + stats, <B>it can take me 15 minutes</B> for a little mountain to max 1h for places like Tremblant. I prefer this than to go drink a beer after a ski day... that's all. All those stats are actually quite useful for me. I really like to do stats, so it's a manner to have fun after my ski days. In 2001-02, I was losing really too much time on that and it was becoming a real problem for me, but now, with the models, it's extremely fast to do, so I stopped to consider me as sick, doing it <IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"> <BR> <BR>For the vertical skied, I just count it since late season 2001-02, when I skied with a telemark dedicated (who provided me in trail maps for years, before I met him) who had an altimeter and counted his vertical for each ski days. I liked the concept <IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"> <BR> <BR>So that's it. I think it's the first time ever that I say all I do after a ski day (except Patrick who has seen some of my resumees few months ago). I have the info (but not the time + interest) to make thousands of different stats, related to my ski since 1995, but you know, IMO, it remains quite less worst than all the statistics that are kept in baseball !!!!!!
 
Frank, I don't know how to tell you this. No, I am not going to say you're crazy because that would incriminate me also into that category (anyway my wife thinks I am nuts). BUT I have kept many many hundreds of lift-tickets dating back to the 70s. No, they are not sorted and are scatted in boxes between Ottawa and Montreal. <BR> <BR>A Long Time Ago (late 70s): <BR>I used to kept a few stats when I was about 10, 11 years old. The stat were what was my fastest time down this mountain or trail (most of the trails were at Tremblant). I guess I started this when I got a watch with a stop-clock. Small maps were also drawn of each trail where I timed myself. This stuff with some old lifttickets might still exist in a boxes soemwhere in my mother's basement <BR> <BR>I started keeping stats of my ski days in 1981-82. A good friend from school was going it, and I thought it was a good idea. Anyway, I was stat crazy about sports at the time (hockey, baseball). <BR> <BR>In my first season, I kept info on where and when I skiied, with who did I go, how (bus, school, family car, other car). Also had a list of ski trails skiied that day (# of trails on the map, not name), how many novice, etc... I had a code for the weather and snow conditions. <BR> <BR>In the following season, I cut down most of the info and only kept where, when, with whom I skiied. <BR> <BR>Eventually I started creating a summary table that includes total per months, average skidays/days, and records (mountain skiied most in one season, days of the week, person). Many years prior to owning a computer. <BR> <BR>Enough said, just for those who are wondering. I eventually studied in Geography and I am now a Research Analyst. Yes, I also collected maps (or not only ski map) and pamphets. I also keep stat related to music which are must less complex (albums/cd and concerts seen). <BR> <BR>Does anyone know a good psychologist?
 
It's always cool to see that we're in the same boat ;) <BR> <BR>I began to summarize my informations in 1990 about... but it was mostly the trails/mountain skied in a year. <BR> <BR>After that, it's more in 1996-97 that I really began to compute all different stats on paper. I put my system in Excel in the late 90s and it has evolved a lot in the time. Actually, I have a master file where I enter fastly the informations after my ski days... and when I have some time, I summarize the informations. At the end of the season, I transfer all the informations to my very master file for skiing. (this is the very long part of my work, but as I do this in june and july, I have a lot of time cause of the bad weather (90F with sun).
 
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