Snowbird and Alta, UT 5/10/09 (incl. video)

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Day 61: Untracked corn perfection

Finally, a corn cycle! Finally, too, that I got out skiing after a two-week hiatus. Met up with Bobby Danger and Tele Jon shortly after 9 a.m. on the Tram Plaza, following a delay driving up canyon as a tow truck winched a car back up onto the road. We were in the bucket by 9:20 with 25 or 30 other people.

There's still an absolute boatload of snow up there, with only a couple of the most insignificant bare spots at the very bottom of Snowbird where folks don't normally ski anyway. Everything else is covered wall to wall. I hadn't skied Saturday, but the other two figured that it was a few degrees warmer than a day earlier, and we therefore opted to head straight to Alta for some untracked corn. Out the Peruvian Ridge, across Chamonix Chutes and a short bootpack to Sugarloaf Pass later, we were back in Alta.

We took the EBT over to the top of Collins and hiked the High Notch route, dropping through absolutely divine, smooth corn down Yellow Trail. We crossed onto Backside, threading our runs between fingers of wet avalanche debris before crossing to the top of Greeley Hill. Taking a break, who else came around the corner at our precise elevation than Salida? We were now a party of four.

Greeley Hill, too, was absolutely in its prime, and we looped turns through the corn before working our way back across the very bottom of North Rustler, Eagle's Nest and High Rustler to return to the base of Collins, continuing our traverse back into Snowbird. One hour 40 minutes for a lap.

After some nourishment on the Tram Plaza we boarded again and headed out across the Knucklehead to get to the top of a closed Gad 2 lift. The first pitch of Gadzooks was still a little firm, but thereafter the surface blended into the same smooth corn that we'd skied at Alta. We headed below Gad 2 on Lower Bassackwards, using a variation on Miner's Road to get back to the open portion of the ski area.

I got very little sleep on Friday night and my body's still recovering, so I was pretty beat by the time we all settled in for lunch on the Plaza, joined by Marc_C and Amy. While the others headed into Mineral Basin, I therefore headed down Chip's back to my truck on the Bypass Road to call it a day at 1:30 -- 4 hours, 3 runs.

Today's video features skiing from Admin, Bobby "Corn Flake" Danger, "Lemming" Tele Jon and Salida:

[skitube2]http://www.firsttracksonline.com/modules/crpVideo/pnmedia/videos/1242003639_2009-05-10_AltaBird.flv[/skitube2]

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Nice to see you got the same weather pattern we did. =D> =D> =D> I thought the corn was that good due to high water content and wind that we had with the storm a week ago.

Some of Mammoth's off-piste corn benefited from chairs 5 and 23 being closed and thus had very low traffic, but the terrain was easily accessible.

Was inbounds at Snowbird getting too much skier traffic and not as good as the places you skied? With as much as is accessible from that tram some of it should have been smooth and little disturbed I would think.
 
it was just that much better at alta. east facing softened first. mineral was still pretty stiff when snowbird opened for the day. nothing was even remotely closeto being soft till 12:30- 1:00 on north facing. porter john & i skied the same last run as sat. main chute out the high t to high rustler. the corn snow in main was actually abit stiffer sunday afternoon than saturday when skidog was there.never mind the quality on high rustler smooth just a few snowballs & untracked 1/4 to half inch softened on the surface north facing after 3 p.m. all the way back to the parkin lot no slow spots. this is some of the beauty of may in the wasatch it still can freeze up solid at night with a desert atmosphere and high altitude as soon as the sun is gone the temp. can drop like arock.
 
Looks like another good day..basically looks like you repeated EXACTLY what we did Saturday....

Too bad Admin bagged out of the main chute/high rustler run...that was a beaut on Saturday...

And wow...admin...only 61 days????? I seem to remember somsone busting my chops cause I had a kid and wouldnt be able to get out as much??? Im 12 days more than you and still counting... :lol:

M
 
Skidog":13215nm5 said:
And wow...admin...only 61 days????? I seem to remember somsone busting my chops cause I had a kid and wouldnt be able to get out as much??? Im 12 days more than you and still counting... :lol:

Touché! Between last week's flu and some unplanned events Friday night that precluded skiing for me on Saturday, I lost a bunch of potential days.
 
Admin":1lfywcur said:
Skidog":1lfywcur said:
And wow...admin...only 61 days????? I seem to remember somsone busting my chops cause I had a kid and wouldnt be able to get out as much??? Im 12 days more than you and still counting... :lol:

Touché! Between last week's flu and some unplanned events Friday night that precluded skiing for me on Saturday, I lost a bunch of potential days.

Ha....im just busting ya you know that....

Even with those "lost" days you'd still be behind me \:D/

M
 
it was just that much better at alta. east facing softened first.
Sounds like it was not as warm as at Mammoth. I should have figured that out by the comments that Yellow Trail and Backside were good in the same 10-10:30 timeframe as the NE facing stuff at Mammoth.

My inclination on a good LCC corn day would be to hammer the lift service at Snowbird all morning, then end the day with the Main Chute to High Rustler route, as both of those would soften late and be good after most other terrain would have gone to slop.
 
Tony Crocker":3rajq8zi said:
then end the day with the Main Chute to High Rustler route, as both of those would soften late and be good after most other terrain would have gone to slop.

Bobby and crew did precisely that each day, although in reality nothing turned to slop this weekend.
 
Tony Crocker":3rvk4fqr said:
My inclination on a good LCC corn day would be to hammer the lift service at Snowbird all morning

Maybe that'll work now with the midweek closures. But this past weekend it was too choppy at the bird to get any real great corn skiing, hence the sojourns far and wide.
 
Maybe that'll work now with the midweek closures. But this past weekend it was too choppy at the bird to get any real great corn skiing, hence the sojourns far and wide.

I have skied Snowbird inbounds in May in 3 seasons. Mammoth's inbounds spring skiing is usually quite a bit better. So I understand that the sidecountry expeditions are more attactive in LCC. Given the very high quality of corn this weekend I thought this time might be different, but evidently not.

It is amazing how much skier density is cut by lift closures. The effort required to ski the chair 23 and 5 terrain at Mammoth was trivial compared to what you guys in LCC were doing. Yet traffic was low enough to keep most of the snow smooth and I wound up with nearly 50K for the weekend.

I'm actually critical of Mammoth not running 23 on weekends, as the snow up there will develop suncups and other severe irregularites by June without more skier compaction. But no question it raised the quality of the corn skiing this past weekend.
 
Tony Crocker":2cco8i8u said:
Maybe that'll work now with the midweek closures. But this past weekend it was too choppy at the bird to get any real great corn skiing, hence the sojourns far and wide.

I have skied Snowbird inbounds in May in 3 seasons.

Read closer...we DIDNT SKI SNOWBIRD.......

I know you live near Mammoth, and we live here so our perceptions are skewed, but you in no way have near the terrain we have access to right now....NO WAY......

Correct me if im wrong here, but I believe that in North America the only resort that tops Alta/Bird in terms of acreage is Whistler/Blackcomb.

Now with the weekday closure of the bird, and the warm temps we'll have some great corn skiing this weekend at the bird and there may be no need to venture elsewhere...

M
 
I did read it. My conclusion was that if you wanted to stay inbounds/have direct lift access, that Mammoth is better in May than Snowbird for that. For the sidecountry no question there's much more of that in LCC. My initial reaction was why do all that work, but it's clear from the comments that snow quality was much better in the sidecountry. I don't view this as an argument thread at all. It's a clarification on how to get the best spring skiing. Alta is probably a lot better at this time of year as sidecountry than if its lifts were still spinning. If its powder had been churned up excessively last weekend you probably wouldn't have as good corn there now.

For earning all your turns (for which I admit lack of conditioning) the Eastern Sierra stacks up well. For the backcountry skiers the eastern access to Tioga Pass at 9,900 feet opened a week ago. The Yosemite side of Tioga will probably open Memorial weekend. Some of you may recall my post from a guided day on Tioga Memorial Day 2003: viewtopic.php?t=5092
 
Tony Crocker":58hn9e5s said:
If its powder had been churned up excessively last weekend you probably wouldn't have as good corn there now.

There I disagree. If our freeze/thaw cycles were enough to completely eliminate entire mogul fields, they were certainly enough to smooth out some tracks in powder.
 
Tony Crocker":323voco8 said:
I did read it. My conclusion was that if you wanted to stay inbounds/have direct lift access, that Mammoth is better in May than Snowbird for that. For the sidecountry no question there's much more of that in LCC. My initial reaction was why do all that work, but it's clear from the comments that snow quality was much better in the sidecountry. I don't view this as an argument thread at all. It's a clarification on how to get the best spring skiing. Alta is probably a lot better at this time of year as sidecountry than if its lifts were still spinning. If its powder had been churned up excessively last weekend you probably wouldn't have as good corn there now.

For earning all your turns (for which I admit lack of conditioning) the Eastern Sierra stacks up well. For the backcountry skiers the eastern access to Tioga Pass at 9,900 feet opened a week ago. The Yosemite side of Tioga will probably open Memorial weekend. Some of you may recall my post from a guided day on Tioga Memorial Day 2003: viewtopic.php?t=5092

I dont consider alta "sidecountry" right now..I still use a lift to access it, it just happens to be a snowbird lift. If I want to hike the high baldy shoulder at snowbird to ski something like eddies I have to hike it....if im hiking it..i can simply go under the rope into alta, take a tombstone, then to keyhole or westward ho gate, and bam...back to a lift.

To me...thats all lift served.

M
 
Tony Crocker":1ff8svqq said:
My conclusion was that if you wanted to stay inbounds/have direct lift access, that Mammoth is better in May than Snowbird for that.

Giggle. Come on, from what you can traverse to from the Tram. All of Snowbird except the lowest of the Gad valley, and much of Alta, and still ski back. You really think that beats Mammoth? I want some of what you're smoking!
 
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