Solitude and Snowbird, UT 3/9/2008

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Day 41: One day, two canyons, two resorts

Magazine responsibilities required that I ski Solitude in the morning to do a story, yet I was committed to skiing Snowbird with Tony Crocker's group that day as well. What choice did I have? I had to do both.

I'd planned to perhaps tour over to Solitude from Snowbird via Alta in the morning, take care of what I had to at Solitude and tour back for the afternoon with Tony's group at Snowbird. Air France, however, had other plans. Tony called me at 10 pm Saturday night -- he'd made it to Utah but his luggage hadn't. At last check it was somewhere in Paris. No worries, I assured him, I could bring a second set of everything -- jacket, pants, hat, gloves, socks, etc. -- but that I couldn't get there until after lunch. He'd have to cool his jets until then, and I at that point made the committment that I wouldn't be touring.

The truck thermo read 13 degrees in the Solitude parking lot at 9 am, but with the strong sun it sure didn't feel that chilly. The sky was a deep blue and there was not a cloud in it or a breath of wind. Due to my responsibilities there I never got off the frontside groomers, so I have no idea what remains off the summit or in Honeycomb, but those groomers were exquisite corduroy and, as is usually the case, there was hardly anyone there to ski it up.

After lunch I descended BCC and ascended LCC, pausing momentarily between Storm Mountain and Stairs Gulch to get a few photos of some BCC locals -- the white furry kind.

I arrived at the Iron Blosam at Snowbird by 1 pm and handed Tony his goodie bag. Shortly thereafter we were riding Wilbere together. Tony was stylin' -- his own kid barely recognized him without the faded red coat.

We headed up Little Cloud and lapped a couple of quick trips through Mineral Basin as the rest of his crew finished up lunch on the Tram Plaza. The first was out the Bookends Traverse to just shy of Hillary Step, and on the northeast-facing aspect below we found ample lightly-tracked dry snow. For the second run we skied the rarely-open Hidden Peak Chutes (firm but edgeable) down to Lone Star, which was damp from its south-facing aspect but hardly heavy or wet.

By this point we met up with a bunch of Tony's crew atop Hidden Peak as several paragliders launched from the summit. They'd already skied Tiger Tail, so the best idea I could come up with was to hike to the Baldy Traverse to ski North Baldy.

Along the way I noticed that several of the oft-closed Chamonix Chutes were open, but facing south they weren't going to be my cup of tea on Sunday. I also noticed that the Baldy hike was closed above the traverse, which meant that Alta Ski Patrol left the Baldy Chutes closed until Monday. Our group of 12 clicked in and slid on out to Memorial Buttress as wispy clouds began to filter into the canyon, and we regrouped before reaching a joint decision to go right to ski Eddie's Snowfield.

That was the choice! Deep, loose dry snow made turns an absolute joy. It was a real treat to stop, turn around and look up the hill to see a group of 12 descending Eddie's en masse, all of them smiling. Down low some opted to thread Eye of the Needle while I brought some others further right for lower angle runs through the trees. We all regrouped on Chip's, and headed out the Blackjack Traverse for a bit more vertical before reaching the base.

It was so good that we had to do it again, but this time only the lower half via the gravity traverse from the Peruvian chair. I decided to explore an area to skier's left of where I normally go out there, knowing that there are cliff bands of an unknown height in the area, and we were rewarded with both untracked snow and one nasty yet negotiable little checkpoint.

It was 4 pm and what to do? Lather, rinse and repeat! We headed out again, this time venturing even further left with much the same result, albeit with a bit more untracked than the previous line. This time a Serbian visitor skiing alone noticed our entrance and followed, and after some small-talk stuck with us. Finding the lifts already closed by the time we reached the base we opted for beers on the Tram Plaza instead.

Beers on the Tram Plaza graduated to wings and more beer at the Wildflower, which graduated to shots of vodka in Stefan's condo, followed by the usual grand Sunday dinner in Al's condo with wonderful wines that I can't afford flowing like water. Light snowflakes began to fall from the clouds clinging to the peaks lining the canyon.

I got home around midnight. Big day, long day, great day. Work is for R&R, right?

And I just got a call from Crocker -- his gear has now made it as far as Cincinnati.

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How much is the airline responsible for when they bollox up your luggage?

Two separate times to JH, my skis didn't make it past SLC, and Delta reimbursed me for rentals, but what happens when they misplace your clothes as well?

Nice goats.
 
American Air told me they will reimburse me for all my stuff they lost on my "wonderful" trip to tahoe. They will pro rate it for age, whatever that means. "Funny" thing is that they found my stuff but the delivery A Hole left it all in front of the hotel, in the middle of the night whe no one was around. So naturaly my boot bag with everything in it got stolen. If things don't work out the way I want I'm going to sue them and the delivery company. Last time I check a boot bag in, skis are easy to rent, boots damn near impossible.
 
The Utah Avalanche Center today":igdimqno said:
By Wednesday, a series of increasingly moist and cold storms affects the area, persisting into early next week. We could see a fair amount of snow adding up with these systems.

Tony leaves Wednesday. Coincidence? I think not.
 
Admin":2h6c5581 said:
The Utah Avalanche Center today":2h6c5581 said:
By Wednesday, a series of increasingly moist and cold storms affects the area, persisting into early next week. We could see a fair amount of snow adding up with these systems.

Tony leaves Wednesday. Coincidence? I think not.

Is this the same type of curse as Sharon? :wink:

BTW, I'm sure that Tony could've the same setup as his son Andrew, right?
 
My suitcase just arrived at 5PM Monday. The skis and boots are still AWOL. Delta thinks all 3 were sent by Air France to Detroit, arriving Sunday afternoon. But Delta has received no info from Air France about the skis and boots.

I was on about 3 hours of airplane sleep since Friday morning in France, not sure I would even ski Sunday as of Saturday night. The half day with Admin (1:30PM start, 11,800 vertical) was a good compromise and I'm very grateful for the clothing, and it's everything: long johns, ski pants, jacket, gloves and hat.

I rented ski gear from the Dynastar demo shop in Snowbird Plaza. Skis are Dynastar 8000's, fairly similar to my K2 Recons, no problems there. The boots are Lange demos, not the usual low-end rental stuff. So control is decent and I'm game for all the usual stuff admin or the Iron Blosam group like to ski. However the boots can be painful, particularly in long and bumpy marathons like Tigertail. And I don't think it's prudent for me to be hiking and skiing Baldy Chutes in them.
 
When I travel I always bring my boots, in the boot bag, on board with me as a carry on.

Skis are Dynastar 8000's, fairly similar to my K2 Recons, no problems there.

Skis are always easy to replace, boots on the other hand are not. I recommend you always bring your boots on your person. I normally pack my ski pants with the skis, but last trip I put them in my boot bag with my goggles, gloves, and socks with my helmet snapped to the handles. I wore my ski jacket, so, when I had a scare at SLC international I had all that I would need to ski that day. At worst I was going demo out an awesome pair of something or others. My skis came out late, so it all worked out fine.
 
rfarren":18ppchds said:
when I had a scare at SLC international I had all that I would need to ski that day. At worst I was going demo out an awesome pair of something or others. My skis came out late, so it all worked out fine.

Skis always seem to come out late at SLC.
 
rfarren":2toefsi8 said:
When I travel I always bring my boots, in the boot bag, on board with me as a carry on.

Skis are Dynastar 8000's, fairly similar to my K2 Recons, no problems there.

Skis are always easy to replace, boots on the other hand are not. I recommend you always bring your boots on your person. I normally pack my ski pants with the skis, but last trip I put them in my boot bag with my goggles, gloves, and socks with my helmet snapped to the handles. I wore my ski jacket, so, when I had a scare at SLC international I had all that I would need to ski that day. At worst I was going demo out an awesome pair of something or others. My skis came out late, so it all worked out fine.

It may cost a few extra bucks, but there's DEFINATELY something to be said for shipping your gear via FedEx/DHL/Etc rather than relying on the airlines!

My gear went from CT to where I was staying in Park City last week via DHL ground - a ski bag with 3 pairs, a LARGE gear bag - boots, clothing, etc for 3 folks totaling around 100lbs for just over $100. Plus, you get the tracking numbers so you can follow your gear across the country, and an added bonus, less gear to haul around the airport, which as someone who travels these days with a 2 year old and a 4 year old in tow, is a big plus!
 
jasdmd0":2fk7zxr0 said:
It may cost a few extra bucks, but there's DEFINATELY something to be said for shipping your gear via FedEx/DHL/Etc rather than relying on the airlines!

You raise a valid point, but shipping from La Grave, France to Utah would've cost more than a few extra bucks.
 
Admin":228q0bbf said:
jasdmd0":228q0bbf said:
It may cost a few extra bucks, but there's DEFINATELY something to be said for shipping your gear via FedEx/DHL/Etc rather than relying on the airlines!

You raise a valid point, but shipping from La Grave, France to Utah would've cost more than a few extra bucks.

The problem with shipping ahead is that you can't ski the day of travel. You have to check into your hotel, get your gear, and go from there. Plus then you are locked into a specific resort, which is not a problem if you go to vail, or la grave for that matter, but when you go to slc you have a myriad of mountains to choose from. The day I fly in I can choose from anyone of the resorts depending on weather or if I just want a good meal (Deer Valley).
 
rfarren":1n1i89y7 said:
Plus then you are locked into a specific resort, which is not a problem if you go to vail, or la grave for that matter, but when you go to slc you have a myriad of mountains to choose from.
Why would you be locked in to a specific resort if you ship to a hotel in SLC?
 
Marc_C":p2x9w2ft said:
rfarren":p2x9w2ft said:
Plus then you are locked into a specific resort, which is not a problem if you go to vail, or la grave for that matter, but when you go to slc you have a myriad of mountains to choose from.
Why would you be locked in to a specific resort if you ship to a hotel in SLC?

You would be locked into the park city resorts if the skis were sent to a hotel in park city. Even if you sent it to a hotel in SlC you would be locked into the park city resorts. By the time you rent your car and get to the hotel, check in, get your luggage dropped off, change, load your car with your skis, and then drive out to the resorts it would be about 1:00. Meaning that you would be hauling a#@ to the mountain. That being said, only the closest mountains would be worthwhile. Of course, this all depends on when your flight gets in. My flight from New York, which is the first of the day, normally gets in between 10:00 and 11:00. By the time I hit the mountain its always between 11:30 and 12:00. depending on the mountain.

That being said, the best way not to lose your luggage is to fly direct flights wherever you go, and carry your most important gear on your person. My experience with fedex, dhl, ups has been terrible. On a trip to Whistler three years ago a family I was traveling with used fedex with all their luggage. Due to a small clerical error their luggage and gear came a week and a half late. Unfortunately, at time of arrival the vacation had been over by 2 days. That meant during the entire trip they had to buy all new clothes, and any other necessities. The worst part about it: Fedex doesn't offer to pay for your clothes and inconvenience.
 
Marc_C":2d1eo489 said:
rfarren":2d1eo489 said:
Plus then you are locked into a specific resort, which is not a problem if you go to vail, or la grave for that matter, but when you go to slc you have a myriad of mountains to choose from.
Why would you be locked in to a specific resort if you ship to a hotel in SLC?

Exactly, I just ship them to the hotel I'm staying at, and then when I check in, my bags are already waiting at the bag storage area and are brought to my room with the rest of my stuff.

Plus, since I'm traveling with 2 young kids, after spending the 5+ hours on the plane from the East Coast, skiing isn't happening for my family on the arrival day. Getting some time in the pool upon arrival, now that's a different story :wink: My how ski trips have changed for my wife and I skince the little ones arrived! We're just waiting now until both of the kidfs are old enough that we can once again travel around to 3 to 5 different ski areas when we got Utah each March, rather than just hitting up 2 like we have been the last few years for continuity in childcare facilities and ski programs and the convienence of not having to travel more than a few minutes from the hotel with the kids
 
Plus, since I'm traveling with 2 young kids, after spending the 5+ hours on the plane from the East Coast, skiing isn't happening for my family on the arrival day. Getting some time in the pool upon arrival, now that's a different story My how ski trips have changed for my wife and I skince the little ones arrived! We're just waiting now until both of the kidfs are old enough that we can once again travel around to 3 to 5 different ski areas when we got Utah each March, rather than just hitting up 2 like we have been the last few years for continuity in childcare facilities and ski programs and the convienence of not having to travel more than a few minutes from the hotel with the kids

Ah, I see. For me this wouldn't work. I am young, and self-employed so I have to justify taking either thursday, friday, saturday, or monday off. If I don't ski travel days, I would only get 2 or 3 days of skiing. In order for me to justify airfare, I have to ski the day of arrival. Indeed, I have ski the day of departure too. Now, if I could afford to take 2 weeks off in the winter.... :cry:
 
rfarren":ga0z6t3a said:
You would be locked into the park city resorts if the skis were sent to a hotel in park city. Even if you sent it to a hotel in SlC you would be locked into the park city resorts.
There are ski resorts in Park City? :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)
 
Yea, I think shipping the skis via UPS, FedEx, DHL, etc. makes alot of sense, if you don't mind the extra cost. There is always the possibility that they will lose the luggage, but I trust them more than the airlines. Plus, if you ship them far enough in advance, you can make sure the skis (and other shipped items) are at your hotel before you even leave for the ski trip. I would always take my boots on the plane with me, along with other needed ski clothes.
 
I was at the Bird sunday and had a blast. It was the last day out of 4 spent in Utah and we were tired and planned on cruisers, but when we got into Mineral Basin we were blown away by the possiblities. For a beautiful day after a few inches on sat (where we spent most of the day in Honey Comb Canyon, loved it. No one there on a snowy sat!?) I expected crowds but was pleased to have little wait and lots of fresh snow, with a little work.
Locals were comenting on the quality of the snow on such a sunny day. Being from the East, I consider 4 inches of wet slop a powder day so I was loving it. The side-country opurtunities at these resorts is out of this world. We hit Pow Mow, Brighton, Solitude and Snowbird. Hiked at all and found good snow at all. Learned where to find it with help from this sight and locals advice, who were very friendly. What a playground! wish we had a big storm but I'll definately be back, guess I'll go hike the 200 ft hill at the park and pray for more snow, heading to Vermont next week. I'll post some photos soon.
 
Admin":31l1hlkg said:
After lunch I descended BCC and ascended LCC, pausing momentarily between Storm Mountain and Stairs Gulch to get a few photos of some BCC locals -- the white furry kind.

We'll be driving through the CCs next week and would love to see some locals of the white furry kind. Whenever we go to the CC resorts, I always keep my eyes peeled, but have never been so lucky. (We did, however, have fun once watching a moose belly-deep in snow, munching on some greenery she managed to find.) Is there any area where you can fairly reliably spot these mountain goats? How high up the mountain do you usually see them?

A few other questions for you SLC locals (not the white furry kind) -- (1) My wife did a women's clinic at The Canyons last weekend and had a blast (she may send you a TR), but her skis were stolen. This is pretty amazing considering that these were skis we bought (matching pairs) about 4 years ago at Sports Authority for under $200 new including bindings. Who the hell steals skis like this? This could be material for a "dumb criminals" story. My first question is if anyone knows any statistics for how common ski theft is?

(2) As a result of the theft and the subsequent shopping trip accompanied by her instructor, my wife now has kick-ass equipment while I'm still on my $200 jobs with a rubber tip missing. So I'm suffering from a bad case of skis envy. I might break down and do some shopping of my own while we're in SLC. Do you have any recommendation for any good sales where I might pick up skis and bindings? Ideally it would be someplace with a policy like I saw one time at the Footloose store at Mammoth where you could rent demo boots and the rental fee would be deducted from the price if you decided to buy. I saw Admin's posting in the equipment forum about the $299 sale, which would be great, but sadly that doesn't start until April, so too late for me.
 
The place where I shot Billy and Billy Jr. is a pretty reliable spot at this time of year when the goats are down low for food (they're at ~11,000 ft in summer). As you're still low in BCC there's a small hydro plant on the right side when ascending. Shortly thereafter the road makes a 90° right turn and ascends sharply with a black rock wall on your right and a geological marker - that's where those photos were taken. They were only about 100 feet above the road.

Bummer about your wife's skis! There are lots of sales out there right now but I haven't been shopping myself so I can't offer much in that regard.
 
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