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flyover":hd7uqhtb said:
johnnash, how was your experience with Fox? They are much cheaper, but also off-sight. Were you able to drop off and/or pick up after hours?

You're right that Fox isn't at the airport. You do have to take a shuttle, but the extra time wasn't very much -- 10- 15 minutes max. We picked up at 8:00 PM and dropped off around 8:00 am. I'm not sure about their hours, but I think I recall looking at one time, and saw that they're open much later than we needed. But if that's an issue for you, you should check. Overall, the car itself was fine, although there were some minor problems with Fox. Their gas pump was broken, so the car had almost no gas when we picked it up. They said we could bring it back empty, but of course this was hard to do. They reimbursed us for some of the gas in the car when we brought it back, but not fully. Also, there was no windshield washer fluid in the car. All in all, would I rent again from Fox? For that price differential, you betcha!

Another trick that works well sometimes is to check on the individual rental company websites for ''last minute'' specials. These don't show up on the websites like Kayak, orbitz, carrentals.com, etc., but they're often deeply discounted. Of course, there are few if any of these on holidays.
 
flyover":v0hpcpmc said:
Four or five years ago, we found ourselves waiting for the bus in one of the BCC park and ride lots on a deep powder day near the beginning of March.
When I was a local I found that getting on the bus down in the Fort Union area (or even earlier in the route) was necessary to get a seat on busy days. The closer you get to the canyon mouth the higher the odds of a full bus...

flyover":v0hpcpmc said:
In prior years, we have been really happy to have had AWD when skiing Powder Mountain on, or even a day or two after, a powder day.
The road to Powder Mountain is by far the most dicey in Utah - I've never seen that highway not have chain control posted (even when it's clear). I always consider PM to be a dice throw - if it's a day or two after a storm it's doable (though maybe a little scary) with 2WD. Luckily, PM usually retains untracked for that long. Otherwise, we have to skip it.

flyover":v0hpcpmc said:
Here’s a question for the locals: are chains and/or AWD legally required to get up the Snowbasin and/or Powder Mountain access roads, even in dry conditions during the winter?
Like I said above, I've never seen the PM highway to not have listed chain control when I look online. Snowbasin, in my experience, rarely has chain control (only under heavy storm conditions). Note that the Utah Highway Patrol is very lax about chain control/4x4 restrictions. It's nothing like California, where they'll force you to put on chains even if there's no snow on the road. I've only been turned around once in Utah at the BCC Canyon mouth, and that was during the crazy 100" storm of a few years ago. Note also that no rental agency will allow you to put chains on their cars. Of course, they would likely never know, but it's still a pain to go buy them for what is essentially single-use.

flyover":v0hpcpmc said:
Another question for locals: how reliable are the shuttle busses that run up and down the Powder Mountain road and is there an equivalent for Snowbasin?
I've never taken the shuttle, but scheduling-wise it's very limited (you have to wake up pretty darn early if you're staying in SLC or Park City). To me, these kind of tradeoffs where it's costing you 2+ hours to get to the slopes begins to kill the advantages to SLC.

flyover":v0hpcpmc said:
Having said all of that, I have noticed that the rates for AWD cars seem a lot higher this year. I’ve got a four-day trip planned at the end of February and the cheapest in-terminal AWD I could find, will run us just under a $100 a day (which is admittedly, completely and totally ridiculous, even if split 2 or 3 ways) with all of the fees and taxes. This is a lot more (by at least 25%) than we have had to pay in the past.
Ya, it's a dilemma. But in Utah you have a lot of options to work with. One suggestion is to hit Sundance on a big snow day - it's low elevation so the road is normally friendly, it's normally uncrowded, and it has some fun steeper stuff up top that can get great snow. You'll likely be skiing untracked while the masses are breathing fumes in LCC/BCC... Finally, with a near $70/day differential between AWD and 2WD you're well on your way to paying the difference to staying at the resorts themselves and not having to worry about driving at all...
 
flyover":o85hz4tj said:
Here’s a question for the locals: are chains and/or AWD legally required to get up the Snowbasin and/or Powder Mountain access roads, even in dry conditions during the winter?

No. The car must have "snow" tires (all-seasons seem to meet that requirement) unless 4x4/chain restrictions are posted.

flyover":o85hz4tj said:
Another question for locals: how reliable are the shuttle busses that run up and down the Powder Mountain road

I believe reliable.

flyover":o85hz4tj said:
and is there an equivalent for Snowbasin?

Not that I know of.

rsmith":o85hz4tj said:
Note that the Utah Highway Patrol is very lax about chain control/4x4 restrictions. It's nothing like California, where they'll force you to put on chains even if there's no snow on the road.

Hogwash. There are frequently chain/4x4 checks set up at the mouth of each canyon when restrictions are in place. I've also seen people getting tickets (and subsequently being turned around) 200 yards up the road. And it's the Salt Lake County Sheriff that enforces the restrictions, not UHP. And if you're the bonehead who fubars traffic on a powder day because you ignored the restrictions, I'm coming looking for you! :wink:
 
Admin":1q6rakv1 said:
rsmith":1q6rakv1 said:
Note that the Utah Highway Patrol is very lax about chain control/4x4 restrictions. It's nothing like California, where they'll force you to put on chains even if there's no snow on the road.

Hogwash. There are frequently chain/4x4 checks set up at the mouth of each canyon when restrictions are in place. I've also seen people getting tickets (and subsequently being turned around) 200 yards up the road. And it's the Salt Lake County Sheriff that enforces the restrictions, not UHP. And if you're the bonehead who fubars traffic on a powder day because you ignored the restrictions, I'm coming looking for you! :wink:

I've never had a chains or a 4x4, and I've gone up LCC a bunch during storms. The driving is never that bad, but the idea that I could get a bad ticket makes me think it might be wiser to park the car near the mouth of the canyon and take the bus up the road. Or maybe I'll call Admin and he'll hitch me a ride :wink:
 
rsmith":2m8j5p2d said:
Note that the Utah Highway Patrol is very lax about chain control/4x4 restrictions. It's nothing like California, where they'll force you to put on chains even if there's no snow on the road.

Admin":2m8j5p2d said:
Hogwash. There are frequently chain/4x4 checks set up at the mouth of each canyon when restrictions are in place. I've also seen people getting tickets (and subsequently being turned around) 200 yards up the road. And it's the Salt Lake County Sheriff that enforces the restrictions, not UHP. And if you're the bonehead who fubars traffic on a powder day because you ignored the restrictions, I'm coming looking for you! :wink:

Agreed no one wants to be that bonehead... O:) So, I think us destination skiers have 2 options:

1) Bite the bullet and pay the price for AWD - in the big picture it's potentially a low price to pay for piece-of-mind, especially given the risk of having Admin chase you down.
2) Rent 2WD to save the $$$. Watch the control status online and if it's chain/4x4 on BCC/LCC take a bus (if busy catch the bus lower in the valley). Or, hit Sundance or some other non-Cottonwood resort that is not under chain control. And just accept that Powder Mountain may be out of the question, unless you want to try out the shuttle.

But, unless things have changed recently, I would still argue that Utah driving restrictions are nothing like Tahoe. If it was, every SLC resident would have to have chains on from November to April just to get to the grocery store.
 
Another reason I hate the whole "rent an AWD!" phenomenon is it allows people to think that an SUV will magically compensate for their inability to drive in snow. Those are the dopes you see going 20 mph on the highway during a storm with their emergency lights flashing.
 
jamesdeluxe":3flzqs2w said:
Another reason I hate the whole "rent an AWD!" phenomenon is it allows people to think that an SUV will magically compensate for their inability to drive in snow. Those are the dopes you see going 20 mph on the highway during a storm with their emergency lights flashing.

I got caught behind one in Whistler this weekend and I wanted to rip his head off, or maybe it was a girl, I don't know, I couldn't pass.
 
rfarren":m0tbs1n9 said:
I've never had a chains or a 4x4, and I've gone up LCC a bunch during storms.
It depends on the storm, predicted intensity, and likely accumulation - that determines whether SLCo Sheriff's will set up a check-point, where you will be turned around. Other times there may not be a check-point but there will be a watch car/chaser. It's a hefty fine, btw, that will more than equal the upcharge of renting an appropriate vehicle.

rfarren":m0tbs1n9 said:
The driving is never that bad,...
As Tony said, quite wrong. On some days I've taken along over-night gear on the distinct possibility of being caught in interlodge at the end of the day.
 
Marc_C":1fk1bh55 said:
rfarren":1fk1bh55 said:
The driving is never that bad,...
As Tony said, quite wrong. On some days I've taken along over-night gear on the distinct possibility of being caught in interlodge at the end of the day.

I'll defer to you on that. Do you locals ever take the bus, or are you all driving 4x4's?
 
tirolerpeter":12ukks65 said:
Add that Super Pass to the fare deals offerred by Jet Blue from Jan 11 - Mar 13. Eg. JFK to SLC (either way) $99 - $109.

That is a great deal. I'm only seeing the $99 fare for a few flights - any idea what the exact rules are for the $99/$109 fares?
 
rfarren":hbieqv1v said:
Marc_C":hbieqv1v said:
rfarren":hbieqv1v said:
The driving is never that bad,...
As Tony said, quite wrong. On some days I've taken along over-night gear on the distinct possibility of being caught in interlodge at the end of the day.

I'll defer to you on that. Do you locals ever take the bus, or are you all driving 4x4's?

There are "locals" who routinely take the bus; but after bumming rides, dragging gear from car to bus (not to mention waiting around in bad weather) I bought an AWD vehicle about half-way into my first ski season and the Sheriff just waves my little white Subie straight through.
 
rfarren":ngan0z79 said:
I'll defer to you on that. Do you locals ever take the bus, or are you all driving 4x4's?
Among our little crew, we all have 4x4's or AWDs (specifically Subarus). Oh, wait, TeleJon is the outlier with a Honda Elephant.
 
FYI - the new Snowbird iphone app allows a quick way to see the highway status. It also has a the latest doppler radar plus the usual snow conditions and weather report. Pretty slick...

A really fun app would be something that tracked and mapped your elevation on a regular basis and superimposed it on a trail map or Google Earth (showing you all the runs you made over the course of the day). It could also track the total vertical you skied (and presumably you could mark your powder vertical, as well). Does any such thing exist?
 
rsmith":30cgu0sq said:
FYI - the new Snowbird iphone app allows a quick way to see the highway status. It also has a the latest doppler radar plus the usual snow conditions and weather report. Pretty slick...

http://www.firsttracksonline.com/News/2 ... tter-Feed/

rsmith":30cgu0sq said:
A really fun app would be something that tracked and mapped your elevation on a regular basis and superimposed it on a trail map or Google Earth (showing you all the runs you made over the course of the day). It could also track the total vertical you skied (and presumably you could mark your powder vertical, as well). Does any such thing exist?

http://www.firsttracksonline.com/News/2 ... oard-Runs/
 
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