Western Weather 2010-14

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Sorry, Socal...I inadvertently edited your last most recent reply instead of quoting it. I "Crockered." :oops: Alas, it's now gone, but here's the gist of what you wrote:

socal":3pa75oao said:
Oh well, at least I'll get to eat some fresh bison/elk/etc.

If you're cooking in there's an exceptional game meat market on the south side of town adjacent to Smith's:

http://www.jhbuffalomeat.com/

It ain't cheap -- nothing in Jackson is -- but their elk ribeyes were to die for when we were car camping at Granite Creek two summers ago.

The Jackson Hole Buffalo Meat Co.'s website":3pa75oao said:
Visit our stores!

Jackson Town Square
Gaslight Alley

Factory Store
1325 South Highway 89, Suite 110
Next to the Smith's Grocery store
 
Admin":jmvpjrpd said:
Sorry, Socal...I inadvertently edited your last most recent reply instead of quoting it. I "Crockered." :oops: Alas, it's now gone, but here's the gist of what you wrote:

socal":jmvpjrpd said:
Oh well, at least I'll get to eat some fresh bison/elk/etc.

If you're cooking in there's an exceptional game meat market on the south side of town adjacent to Smith's:

http://www.jhbuffalomeat.com/

It ain't cheap -- nothing in Jackson is -- but their elk ribeyes were to die for when we were car camping at Granite Creek two summers ago.

The Jackson Hole Buffalo Meat Co.'s website":jmvpjrpd said:
Visit our stores!

Jackson Town Square
Gaslight Alley

Factory Store
1325 South Highway 89, Suite 110
Next to the Smith's Grocery store

Fortunately no cooking, but I've actually ordered jerky from them before and it was great. Maybe I'll stop in and have some shipped home (or just do it on the internet). Either way I'll find a good Bison steak somewhere in town. Forget where I went last time I was there but it was excellent.
 
rfarren":38t6r0s5 said:
Utah probably needs another storm right after this present one to make sure that ice layer is completely covered up.

Hmmmm...still think so? Here's mbaydala's video from today after 16" of 3%:

[facebookvideo]http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1848067321360[/facebookvideo]

Nice edit, BTW!
 
Admin":2e1i019c said:
rfarren":2e1i019c said:
Utah probably needs another storm right after this present one to make sure that ice layer is completely covered up.

Hmmmm...still think so? Here's mbaydala's video from today after 16" of 3%:
It's a nice video. I just thought the last storm covered it up, but wind and traffic seemed to degrade conditions down to the rain layer... at least that was what I got based on the reports I read from here. What's to say that would happen again... I mean it is only 3% and I'm not sure how well that will hold onto the ice layer. Hopefully for you guys it's enough to make that rain a memory. I don't think that is the case however in the PC areas and places not named Alta/Snowbird along the wasatch.
 
rfarren":2ma403kv said:
I don't think that is the case however in the PC areas and places not named Alta/Snowbird along the wasatch.

There are other places in the Wasatch? :shock:
 
This report from NOAA for Alta..doesn't make sense to me:
Wednesday high of 11 windchills to -41 with winds at 6 to 11 mph
wednesday night high of 0, -15 windchills, winds from 7 to 10 mph

HUH??? how do you get -41 windchills from that..
 
I just got back from my local 7-Eleven, where I'm more or less a regular. There's this older Pakistani guy who works there who's always friendly, always smiling, and he was outside lighting a cigarette as I pulled in. The thermometer read 5.7ºF and the wind was still honkin' with a wind chill at -13ºF.

"Tough night for a smoke break," I commented.

"Yeah," he answered. "This way I get to kill myself twice."
 
kingslug":2sa1xysi said:
This report from NOAA for Alta..doesn't make sense to me:
Wednesday high of 11 windchills to -41 with winds at 6 to 11 mph
wednesday night high of 0, -15 windchills, winds from 7 to 10 mph

HUH??? how do you get -41 windchills from that..
That's not quite what it says. The NWS forecast reads:
Overnight: Clear, with a low around -15. Wind chill values as low as -43. Northeast wind around 7 mph.

Wednesday: Sunny, with a high near 11. Wind chill values as low as -41. North northwest wind between 6 and 11 mph.

Wednesday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low around 0. Wind chill values as low as -15. North northwest wind between 7 and 10 mph becoming calm.

What you're missing is the wind chills "as low as..." - meaning either the wind will be fairly steady at 6-11mph, but gusts could drive down the wind chill temp...and/or...the predicted high of 11 probably won't occur until early afternoon - it could be considerably lower than that and thus the wind chill can easily approach -40F.
 
Marc_C":1c71bhvo said:
the predicted high of 11 probably won't occur until early afternoon - it could be considerably lower than that and thus the wind chill can easily approach -40F.

Bingo:

The Utah Avalanche Center this morning":1c71bhvo said:
Under clear skies, temperatures remain in the icebox, with most SLC and PC stations in the -13 to -18 F degree range. The “warmer” Ogden and Provo area mountains have readings of – 10 to zero at their mid elevation stations, though I imagine the high elevations of Timpanogos are way colder. The northerly winds are adding insult, with speeds along many of the higher ridges in the 20 to 25 mph range, gusting to 45. Wind chills are close to – 40 F at many locations.
 
rfarren":25l9p2xy said:
Marc_C":25l9p2xy said:
rfarren":25l9p2xy said:
But by tomorrow night most of the mountains in the East Coast are looking at 20-30 inches!
According to those who have become pretty good at predicting ski mountain weather, that's an optimistic amount.
In 30 hours we shall see what happens.

Marc_C":25l9p2xy said:
rfarren":25l9p2xy said:
The most important factor to this all has been the lack of rain since december. We've gotten many storms but none of the events have been in liquid form.
That would be after all the rain in November and early December that took most areas back to a 0" base.
That was a long time ago. It has been consistently cold since. Normally, it's rain that degrades the conditions around here and that hasn't happened. My original statement wasn't that "I think that the east coast skied better in November or December." I said: "I think right now is one of the very few times in a ski season where the snow conditions are superior on the EC than in Utah." Many of the ski areas around the EC have gotten 60 or so inches since the last rain event. Plattekill during MLK weekend was much softer than the week before when I was in Utah, and the trees were just setting up. This storm should make everything in the trees very skiable. I will plead ignorance when it comes to N'VT as I've not followed their snow conditions and the storm track seems to have been further south this year. Nonetheless, this might be one of the great Januarys in the history of S'VT the Berkshires and the Catskills.

Marc_C":25l9p2xy said:
rfarren":25l9p2xy said:
I had thought that the past storm cycle had covered up the ice layer, but I kept reading about how scratchy it was from visitors. My guess is this storm is enough to wipe that completely from memory...
It is *very* dependent on where you go. The MLK ice layer varies from a thin crust to 3"; it's now completely covered by over a foot or two of new snows since then, or it's still totally exposed from wind scouring. New snow hasn't bonded well, so scratchy/icy or soft depends on aspect, elevation, and wind protection - and it can vary greatly in a single run. Given the resistance of the layer and the plunge in temps., I'd definitely stay off of the south and west aspects, esp. above about 9800'.

Interesting... This statement only confirms what my hunch was. Utah probably needs another storm right after this present one to make sure that ice layer is completely covered up. It's a long season so I'm sure by the end of February the world turn upside right again, and Utah will indisputably have superior conditions.

Easily, one of the best ski winters here in Central New England in the last 20 years. Has been consistently cold since late December with numerous snow events - some large and some small - over the past five weeks. Obviously not as good as Utah in a good winter, but, by our recent standards, pretty damn good. There is at least two to three feet of snow in my backyard. We got another 5 to 6 inches yesterday with another 2 to 3 inches of snow overnight and moderate sleet outside right now. More snow predicted for Saturday and maybe more in the middle of next week. We never really had the January thaw this year and no major rain events in January. Skiing does not get much better around here.
 
rfarren":19aavcm0 said:
I was trying to say that I wouldn't ski in those temps.
Yep. At some point the effort to survive with all extremities and flesh intact far exceeds the fun factor.
 
Nice day today..way warmer than the last week..wind still and issue..the EBT was miserable but once on the front side we found great pow off the collins....The NOAA report looks..awesome..upwards of 2 feet possible this weekend...man I couldn't have timed this better...
 
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