When (no BS) Do Eastern Powder Days Compare to Utah?

[icelanticskier]

nice video, but where's all the untracked?, everybody's skiing tracked snow, whazupwidat? i skied untracked inbounds at the rivah all day last tuesday. hope yer knee feels better soon. nice shot of the pheif, great skiing out that way, one of my faves.
rog

 

[Marc_C]

nice video, but where's all the untracked?, everybody's skiing tracked snow, whazupwidat?

Catherine's was pretty much untracked. It was the first day this season that it was open. It was easy to ski between the tracks left by the few before us. Many of the tracks you see in the video are ours. If you need an absolutely 100% untracked slope to be happy in powder, well, that's just being a prima donna!

 

[icelanticskier]

nice video, but where's all the untracked?, everybody's skiing tracked snow, whazupwidat?

Catherine's was pretty much untracked. It was the first day this season that it was open. It was easy to ski between the tracks left by the few before us. Many of the tracks you see in the video are ours. If you need an absolutely 100% untracked slope to be happy in powder, well, that's just being a prima donna!

tony will agree with me i think, untracked is untracked, not sqeeking between and crossing one or two. my reports of pow skiing mean all untracked for a period of time like till 11 am or all day except for the very top or the runout. prima donna? no. 100% untracked when i ski out there, yes, would i go out there for anything else? no. that's why i split my time between solitude on puking days and bc for all of the rest, well, i do all of the same out here too.
just glad to see what yer skiing out there. if i approached catherines lookin like that i'da just gone right off the back of supreme to dry fork for untracked, at least it used to stay that way for awhile.
rog

 

[Admin]

untracked is untracked, noy sqeeking between and crossing one or two. my reports of pow skiing mean all untracked for a period of time like till 11 am or all day except for the very top or the runout.

True untracked slopes "not squeaking between and crossing one or two"? On a handful of lift-served 100-foot wide trails at Someday Bigger like you claim from last week?

 

[icelanticskier]

untracked is untracked, noy sqeeking between and crossing one or two. my reports of pow skiing mean all untracked for a period of time like till 11 am or all day except for the very top or the runout.

True untracked slopes "not squeaking between and crossing one or two"? On a handful of lift-served 100-foot wide trails at Someday Bigger like you claim from last week?

that be 25 trails on 3 of the peaks with about 50-100 skiers sharing it all morning, only 6 showed for 1st chair, try that alta, never gonna happen. my 1st 4 runs t2b i did not cross a track for each 1400 vert ft run. then i had at least 4 runs of untracked, no crossing on the far sides of the trails where i had set my tracks those 1st 4 and no one wanted to get close to the woods, still short/med radius room. then all afternoon most folks had gone home and it was inch an hour with wind load smooth refills all afternoon. go up, hit skiers right t2b. go back up, hit left side. back up, right side tracks gone and smooth again. it was a dreamy scenario for sure and so untracked. i can asure you that someday biggah's pow filled groomers looked less trafficked than what you had in the vid even mid morning.
rog

 

[icelanticskier]

if i approached catherines lookin like that i'da just gone right off the back of supreme to dry fork for untracked, at least it used to stay that way for awhile.

We found less tracked slopes in Cath's than the back side of Supreme, which also had a sun crust thanks to the south exposure, and it's usual multitude of intertwined snowmobile tracks, right up to the Alta rope-line. .

i meant down the ridge to the right, and if sleds are markin up there then things have certainly changed in the 13 years since i lived in that canyon. that lift in mineral really screwed things up for those that could ski true untracked any day, days after a storm.
rog

 

[icelanticskier]

I wonder if thirds down main qualifies for untracked... 4 days after the storm.

3rds?! you gotta start gettin east coast starts to get yer 1st's out there. stowe style!
rog

 

[Marc_C]

I wonder if thirds down main qualifies for untracked... 4 days after the storm.

3rds?! you gotta start gettin east coast starts to get yer 1st's out there. stowe style!

The first two were likely ski patrol.

 

[Marc_C]

then all afternoon most folks had gone home and it was inch an hour with wind load smooth refills all afternoon. go up, hit skiers right t2b. go back up, hit left side. back up, right side tracks gone and smooth again. it was a dreamy scenario for sure and so untracked. i can asure you that someday biggah's pow filled groomers looked less trafficked than what you had in the vid even mid morning.

Sorry Rog, ya gotta compare apples to apples, or in this case, blue-bird day to blue-bird day.

 

[icelanticskier]

then all afternoon most folks had gone home and it was inch an hour with wind load smooth refills all afternoon. go up, hit skiers right t2b. go back up, hit left side. back up, right side tracks gone and smooth again. it was a dreamy scenario for sure and so untracked. i can asure you that someday biggah's pow filled groomers looked less trafficked than what you had in the vid even mid morning.

Sorry Rog, ya gotta compare apples to apples, or in this case, blue-bird day to blue-bird day.

not necessary in this case cuz the refills didn't happen till the afternoon. the morning was equal enough as a blue bird day as we were skiing the untracked from the get go that lasted. just face it, our inbounds pow lasts longer than yer outtabounds slackcountry more often than not. people from all over the globe come to ski your hills. we only have to share it with some massers and mainers at the rivah. and another nice thing that allows so much untracked here is that most folks in maine and some locals just ski right down the middle, have no pow preference and could care less. love it.
rog

 

[icelanticskier]

I wonder if thirds down main qualifies for untracked... 4 days after the storm.

3rds?! you gotta start gettin east coast starts to get yer 1st's out there. stowe style!

The first two were likely ski patrol.

patrolers don't leave tracks in snow? 3rds is 3rds, not to take anything from what was a well earned run.
rog

 

[Admin]

not necessary in this case cuz the refills didn't happen till the afternoon. the morning was equal enough as a blue bird day as we were skiing the untracked from the get go that lasted.

So, let me get this straight: you expect us to believe that 25 open trails of typical New England width at Sunday River remained untracked until the afternoon?

Like I said,

just face it, our inbounds pow lasts longer than yer outtabounds slackcountry more often than not.

I'll do you one better -- I'll compare inbounds to inbounds. You expect us to believe that our 2,200 acres (OK, I'll call it 1,700 because Devil's Castle is closed) get tracked out more quickly than your 127 acres (25 out of 131 trails open, times 667 acres - see http://www.sundayriver.com/TheMountain/ ... stics.html )? That's two-thirds the size of Jiminy Peak, MA and half the size of Boyne Mountain, MI. Just what kind of mushrooms do you folks grow on the New Hampshire seacoast, anyway? :roll: Stick even 50 people on 127 acres and it'll be thrashed in under an hour. And that doesn't even factor in what portion of that 127 open acres had been rolled with a groomer.

 

[icelanticskier]

not necessary in this case cuz the refills didn't happen till the afternoon. the morning was equal enough as a blue bird day as we were skiing the untracked from the get go that lasted.

So, let me get this straight: you expect us to believe that 25 open trails of typical New England width at Sunday River remained untracked until the afternoon?

Like I said,

just face it, our inbounds pow lasts longer than yer outtabounds slackcountry more often than not.

I'll do you one better -- I'll compare inbounds to inbounds. You expect us to believe that our 2,200 acres (OK, I'll call it 1,700 because Devil's Castle is closed) get tracked out more quickly than your 127 acres (25 out of 131 trails open, times 667 acres - see http://www.sundayriver.com/TheMountain/ ... stics.html )? That's two-thirds the size of Jiminy Peak, MA and half the size of Boyne Mountain, MI. Just what kind of mushrooms do you folks grow on the New Hampshire seacoast, anyway? :roll: Stick even 50 people on 127 acres and it'll be thrashed in under an hour. And that doesn't even factor in what portion of that 127 open acres had been rolled with a groomer.

let me get this straight: you have 1700 acres open and skied tracked snow in catherines? somethin wrong there, oh no, it's alta! that's why. look, i used to live at alta and i've spent more days skiing in maine than you or most people have and i call it like it is. i know 1st hand how fast alta gets tracked up and it's easily as fast or faster than sunday river on average, especially if the rivah has most of it's terrain open if ya wanna compare apples to apples. a big reason our stuff doesn't get tracked as fast is cuz alot of folks don't ski pow here like they do there. here, a group of folks will just follow their buds right in their tracks leaving untracked for the taking. another thing is those 50 skiers weren't there right away in the morning, there were 6 skiers ahead of me and they all took the same trail once at the top. i went the other way for 3 runs, went back to ski their run and they left like 30ft onone side and 20 feet on the other untracked, they don't ski the sides, funny. that's just how it happened. they didn't groom a single thing as it didn't start snowing till 3 am. so funny how folks not, "in the know" as much as they think, make statements about things they have way less of a clue about. i just speak from experience. if ya wanna proove something to me, show me some untracked in the slackcountry at least and i'll try to remember my camera next time.
rog

 

[icelanticskier]

here's some proof: sunday river maine last year on what i would call a busy midweek day. before this vid was shot, les and i had already skied 4 t2b runs of all untracked. this vid was shot in more all untracked stuff between 10 and 11 am. subday river is especially good for pow with 8 peaks and killer trees in between. les and i had a ball making this vid and so did the snowboarder. and just think, it was pouring rain at jay all day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_WZbNrliIA
rog
ya, how's that knee btw, hope it gets better soon, you have lots of untracked pow skiing to catch up to us out here. :mrgreen:

 

[Admin]

so funny how folks not, "in the know" as much as they think, make statements about things they have way less of a clue about. i just speak from experience.

Then why don't you let your experience try to explain the numbers. Nice job trying to avoid doing so, but I'm not going to let you get away with it. Here, I'll even make it easy for you:

You expect us to believe that our [1,700 acres] get tracked out more quickly than your 127 acres? That's...half the size of Boyne Mountain, MI. Stick even 50 people on 127 acres and it'll be thrashed in under an hour. And that doesn't even factor in what portion of that 127 open acres had been rolled with a groomer.

Go for it, Rog...try again. Explain to all of us how 1,700 acres get skied out more quickly than 127 acres. I won't even make you try to prove your original assertion that our sidecountry gets tracked out more quickly than your 127 acres.

I call

 

[icelanticskier]

so funny how folks not, "in the know" as much as they think, make statements about things they have way less of a clue about. i just speak from experience.

Then why don't you let your experience try to explain the numbers. Nice job trying to avoid doing so, but I'm not going to let you get away with it. Here, I'll even make it easy for you:

You expect us to believe that our [1,700 acres] get tracked out more quickly than your 127 acres? That's...half the size of Boyne Mountain, MI. Stick even 50 people on 127 acres and it'll be thrashed in under an hour. And that doesn't even factor in what portion of that 127 open acres had been rolled with a groomer.

Go for it, Rog...try again. Explain to all of us how 1,700 acres get skied out more quickly than 127 acres. I won't even make you try to prove your original assertion that our sidecountry gets tracked out more quickly than your 127 acres.

I call

well, judging by your video, all i saw was tracked snow. so was the 1700 acres untracked at least all morning to keep things apples to apples? if there was untracked then why were you all skiing and shooting tracked snow? an easier way to do this is: did you ski untracked full runs for the 1st few hours? acreage dosen't matter if you didn't ski untracked and i did. this comparison goes well beyond acreage. a big component is the skier type and skier numbers. i don't expect you to believe me, you don't want to believe me. i know what i know and skied what i skied. you want numbers? you run the numbers.
rog

 

[Admin]

well, judging by your video, all i saw was tracked snow...(yadda, yadda, yadda)

None of which answers my question.

you want numbers? you run the numbers.

I did, which is what you're trying to avoid addressing. Let's try this a third time:

Go for it, Rog...try again. Explain to all of us how 1,700 acres get skied out more quickly than 127 acres.

And in case you need a refresher, I'm calling you out on this BS statement:

just face it, our inbounds pow lasts longer than yer outtabounds slackcountry more often than not.

which was precipitated by this load of crap:

untracked is untracked, not sqeeking between and crossing one or two. my reports of pow skiing mean all untracked for a period of time like till 11 am or all day except for the very top or the runout.

 

[icelanticskier]

And in case you need a refresher, I'm calling you out on this BS statement:

just face it, our inbounds pow lasts longer than yer outtabounds slackcountry more often than not.

i made this comment based on all of our terrain being open, and all of yours and slackcountry. and from experience. i lived at alta and was completely turned off by the early lines for pow with the all tracked out too fast scattterfest. when i lived at alta i mostly bc skied for this reason. then i worked and skied daily at solitude and found a night and day difference. it still lasts way longer at solitude from my experience. now, skiing back east more often than not our pow at at sunday river lasts as long or longer than my experience at alta by comparison. if all you want is numbers, you can figure em out, but this comparison goes beyond numbers as in the way people ski on pow days here vs there. or, maybe this is beyond your understanding as maybe you're a just all down blinders up kinda guy.
rog

 

[Admin]

(more irrelevant stuff)

Strike three. Thank you for making my point.

 

[icelanticskier]

(more irrelevant stuff)

Strike three. Thank you for making my point.

it's your site so you can be the ref and make the calls, but i'm just tellin ya like it is. when you come ski some pow days in maine, then we can go back and forth and make comparisons. since you'll probably never come to maine to ski pow, then you'll never know and continue making calls on things you know nothing about first hand and that's how some people are and i know many like you. keep it elevated and once yer off the hard stuff, advil liquigels work great, but you probably won't believe that cuz you haven't tried them.
night night
rog